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Selina Starfire
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:52:00 -
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Definitly sounds like a case of Prosopagnosia as suggested previously. However, I'd like to think that when you pull that ship from your hanger and undock, you're both the pilot and the crew. They are all extensions of you. Anyone ever seen the movie Identity? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:15:00 -
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Now think the Prosopagnosia is caused and controlled by the capsuleer through additions in the food and water supply to have everybody think thy have his face.
If only to have the crew feel more like extensions of himself for the capsuleer and to increase a sense of unity and dedication to him. Only looking for people as crew that are leaving everything behind and are thus available for a more dedicated relationship could imply such reasoning.
After all, he does have his "kooky" side. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lysit Kaune Whilst a good Chronicle, it left me with the same thought Spectral did, "What did this have to do with Eve?". It could have been written of any setting, and doesn't really add to the back story.
I think you are wrong there.
The story deals (also) with the relationship between normal people and the capsuleer demigods.
And did you notice that the poor guy got some isk as payment? He never had isk before! There are a couple more relations to the New Eden universe. So I don't understand why you say that this story has nothing to do with Eve.
I would like to see more stories about normal people in New Eden and how they see the capsuleers - surely not all pod pilots are manicas or mass murderers. Also, what does the business of the capusleers affect the normal people? Isk was mentioned in the story. What exactly does it mean for that guy, how is it special, what can he do with it and how is it different than any normal money?
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tanaka shige
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:29:00 -
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most excelent work and i agree to the relavince to new eden as a whole.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Typhado3 on 07/10/2009 22:09:26
Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya Edited by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 05/10/2009 20:48:14 Here's an idea. As I understand it only capsule tech is restricted to a small group that is compatible with it. Anyone can be cloned, it's just most people can't afford it.
So, what it this particular crazy capsuleer buys his crews cloned bodies, but they are mass market versions without the customisation that pod pilots can afford. A bit like your standard second life toons say. If Lazar can't remember being cloned it's because he has blanked the memory himself, or it's been erased as part of the process.
Of course that could just be too literal a reading of things. Maybe he's just crazier than his pilot.
I was thinking something similar.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas Once he woke up, sore and numb, and found it was three days later than he thought it had been.
I think he could have been cloned at one point too.
The one thing I find wierd in there was the capsuleer came in and comforted him. While it's still believable most capsuleers view their crew as expendable and even then showing care for a single person when there are around 500 aboard the ship is something special. Also most capsuleers would just send in someone like Reania rather than risk exposing themselves to a half crazy man, for him to show up personally and in the flesh is just not normal imo.
This to me suggests there is something more going on than just a single guy going crazy. also the way Jatek seems to know he's got a different face and everyone seems to understand and support him (most people don't deal that well when someone goes crazy) suggests it's more than just our main character experiencing this. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Grishax
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Posted - 2009.10.07 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Grishax on 07/10/2009 23:43:38 Lazar being cloned is highly unlikely. This is because of the mechanics of cloning.
In order to succesfully transplant someone's mind into a clone, an image needs to be made (like a snapshot) at the EXACT moment of death. It was tried to apply this tech in earthbound vehicles (ie. cars), but it was found to be impossible to capture said image at the exact moment of death.
Capsuleer tech made a complete difference. (And I'm quoting from the top of my head here, from one of the Tech articles I read about 4 years ago) Because a rupture in the Capsule means almost certain death, a lethal ****tail is injected into the pilot wich results in immedeate death. At THAT moment, a picture is taken of the pilot's brain, and sent off to the medical facility where his physical clone is stored.
Lazar could hardly have been cloned, because there's no way to create an image of his brain at his death if it would have occured. Besides, crew is expendable, like it or not.
<edit> I can't believe that was cencored. 'Lethal mix of poisons'. Better? </edit>
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ereba magi
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:07:00 -
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two possibilities come to my mind
1. neural damage from passing through stargates i think i read before that repeated travel through a star gate is able to affect someone's mind. or 2. they have been cloned and that "very rich" pod pilot was able to do it because he has a Prototype version of the Dust cloning tech. either way it was a well written story and i applaud you for the work.
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Drake Gundgir
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lolion Reglo
What i found most intriguing out of all of this was that this chronicle just confirmed or is at least giving credit long standing question of whether ships have crews or not. What i have taken from this is that the ship being an industrial one, has a crew of about 500. /me does a happy dance. If this is the case i thank the writers for this and am glad you kept open an entire storytelling aspect for Eve.
Well you didn't honestly believe that a carrier had fighter ****pits for nothing? not to mention yes there a separate entity, yet in "drones" as a subsection?
In either case its not the first implication of Crews in ships, at least it may be the first implication of crews in Capsuleer ships but In the some of the Eve wars chronicles there's many mention of crews, particularly Ammar crews and for that matter slaves... (and remember even though a lot of chatter on the fact that you are sole commander of the ship doesn't infer your solely on board. although i have seen said from people you are "commander and operator")
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grishax Edited by: Grishax on 07/10/2009 23:43:38 Lazar being cloned is highly unlikely. This is because of the mechanics of cloning.
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That's immediate emergency cloning. It'd still be possible to use a brain backup to revive a non-capsuleer person. If you use a brain backup, the person cloned would revert back to the state he was in at the point the backup was made - he could for example lose the three days between a backup and his death. -----
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:55:00 -
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Grishax said ôIn order to succesfully transplant someone's mind into a clone, an image needs to be made (like a snapshot) at the EXACT moment of death. It was tried to apply this tech in earthbound vehicles (ie. cars), but it was found to be impossible to capture said image at the exact moment of death.ö That is incorrect. You can scan the mind before death and without killing the person. There are slower safer scans so you can make a sort of backup at a point in your life. Then when you die memories after that point are lost.
Think of jump clones they donÆt destroy the mind or body when cloning or moving around. You donÆt scan at the point of death.
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Now think the Prosopagnosia is caused and controlled by the capsuleer through additions in the food and water supply to have everybody think thy have his face.
If only to have the crew feel more like extensions of himself for the capsuleer and to increase a sense of unity and dedication to him. Only looking for people as crew that are leaving everything behind and are thus available for a more dedicated relationship could imply such reasoning.
After all, he does have his "kooky" side.
This seems to be a spot-on explanation to me. Nice read, as always
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:16:00 -
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Quote: The offer was in ISK. He had never had ISK before.
This had me pondering. Does this mean the character lived on board a colony where no currency is used, or is ISK only used by spacers and / or capsuleers and do colonies have their own currency?
While the theory of additions in the food and water supply sounds believable, I do wonder why the rest of the crew isn't getting sick. Or is the main character the only one getting the additions?
Delightfully creepy chron though, and some nice info being dropped left and right. Keep up the good work Abraxas, and it was a pleasure to hear you speak at Fanfest
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Quote: The offer was in ISK. He had never had ISK before.
This had me pondering. Does this mean the character lived on board a colony where no currency is used, or is ISK only used by spacers and / or capsuleers and do colonies have their own currency?
ISK is the currency used in high finance, crossing corporations and factions. Planets have their own currency, which is pretty worthless compared to ISK and probably not accepted outside the area it is used.
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath While the theory of additions in the food and water supply sounds believable, I do wonder why the rest of the crew isn't getting sick. Or is the main character the only one getting the additions?
He's the new guy. Everybody else already went through the procedure. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Mark Messier
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Posted - 2009.10.08 19:12:00 -
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It is a very interesting read and makes me wonder if maybe a chronicle could be written where the crew goes crazy either for what ever happened in this chronicle. Which might have been cloning as others are thinking or for some other reason. resulting in the crew raiding the captains pod and cracking it open . Maybe even having the one guy like the one in this story go on a mass murder spree because again he went crazy.
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Ian Sommers
Gallente Mandalore Salvage And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ian Sommers on 08/10/2009 20:30:49 Agaian awsome story. Reminded of a space age Hotel California. Going to reread while listening to the song.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:44:00 -
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Mari Seles
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mari Seles on 09/10/2009 13:59:22
Originally by: Typhado3 Edited by: Typhado3 on 07/10/2009 22:09:26
I was thinking something similar.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas Once he woke up, sore and numb, and found it was three days later than he thought it had been.
I think he could have been cloned at one point too.
The one thing I find wierd in there was the capsuleer came in and comforted him. While it's still believable most capsuleers view their crew as expendable and even then showing care for a single person when there are around 500 aboard the ship is something special. Also most capsuleers would just send in someone like Reania rather than risk exposing themselves to a half crazy man, for him to show up personally and in the flesh is just not normal imo.
This to me suggests there is something more going on than just a single guy going crazy. also the way Jatek seems to know he's got a different face and everyone seems to understand and support him (most people don't deal that well when someone goes crazy) suggests it's more than just our main character experiencing this.
Well, the capsuler would have been slightly crazy to begin with, his comment of forever together does make it look that way.
Though I doubt he cloned every person on board. Much faster cheaper and more leagal to just give them a new face. And after cloning you aren't sore, only disoriented for a few seconds. New body and all. Having the old body rearanged though...
And most capsulers aren't all, as you pointed out, if only 1 percent are do care, that's over 3000 that care, and that is only player capsulers. It doesn't take npcs into account. *me looks at zor and kruul*
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 06:35:00 -
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1. He felt sick after sleeping. 2. Everyone looked the same. They all look exactly like the pod pilot except that it feels like their bodies don't fit. 3. He once woke up sore and numb and had lost 3 days.
You know what I think?
They're trapped with a really ****ing sick pod-pilot with a twisted form of caring for his crew. Every night they're getting a slow brainscan (the effect of which is making them somewhat sick as a brainscan isn't the healthiest thing available at the best of moments, even if it doesn't burn their synapses like a fast scan would). If the ship gets blown up the pod-pilot reclones them all into clone spares of himself with a minimum amount of modification (well, probably not that high quality clones either. A capsuleer might be made of money, but not that much). He might have some sort of illigal cloning facility, or at least access to one.
That hauler survived the first attack, but the one where he woke up and had lost 3 days? They didn't, and he never ever remembered the attack since the scan had been from the night before the attack. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
donkey missile
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Posted - 2009.10.11 00:29:00 -
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The story, that of human psychology, is simply the breaking down of a human being and reforming it to comform to something or someone. You either go insane or retain your humanity. Those that make it are more productive, motivated, full of initiative and less likely to leave.
How else would you survive in the hull of an industrial? Us eggers go mad just flying the damn thing.
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Doctor Cal'torien
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Posted - 2009.10.11 15:18:00 -
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lol i liked that it scared the hell out of me XD i actually imagine my crew as having faces though and now you have ruined that
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:41:00 -
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i would be a douche and crew my ship with modified people and geneticaly engineered assault organisms EVE nids FTW! -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist
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Seventh Pinnacle
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Posted - 2009.10.12 17:58:00 -
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Lovely story - the vagueness kept me on the edge of my seat until the end. I loved the gentle yet aggressive-toned method of writing.
Keep up the good work! |
Katrina Bekers
Gallente Hikage Corporation Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.12 18:35:00 -
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Very nice reading. And yes, "creepy" is an apt description of it.
Open ended, but not as nearly as cryptic as previous work. Thanks for giving out some more consistency, much appreciated.
Next time I fly my Iterons, I'll shake just a bit more. Hundreds of people hugging the toilet will make me giggle... --- Kat :: Recruitment :: Hikage Corporation |
Urbricht Tremadog
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Posted - 2009.10.16 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
You know what I think?
They're trapped with a really ****ing sick pod-pilot with a twisted form of caring for his crew.
This was my first impression after reading this Chronicle, too. I suppose this could be the Capsuleer's attempt to atone for his guilt at being a Capsuleer. People percieve them as heartless and uncaring, and perhaps he couldn't bear to be seen in that light, so he did everything he could to look after them, to make sure they fit in. Perhaps he eventually took his ideal to it's logical conclusion, since he was thinking in the crew's best interests, unlike other Capsuleers, then he was really an ideal role model...
If the crew were somehow encouraged to think in this manner, they would be more accepting of new crew members and wouldn't sideline or bully them. If the protagonist's point of view is of a maddening loneliness where everyone else isthe same as each other, but different to himself, then he is already starting to think more like his master. There can be nobody lonelier than a Capsuleer, who can see the infinite expanse of space, yet remains trapped in a small metal sphere...
I think this is a fantastic Chronicle, regardless of your interpretation.
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Angus McDecoy
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Posted - 2009.10.16 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gil Danastre Also CCP I demand that when Incarna hits, you give us the ability to go onboard our ships and hug crewmemebers to boost their morale.
Here here.
Furthermore, I demand the ability to turn my entire crew into my own clone-things so I can hire people on when Dust 514 hits and completely screw up their brains.
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Vherana
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Isk was mentioned in the story. What exactly does it mean for that guy, how is it special, what can he do with it and how is it different than any normal money?
In the first epic mission, Sister Alitura mentions something along the lines "they demand local currency, so it's cheap for us to pay the ransom"
ISKs are the universal accounting currency, in a way the EURO was used from 1999 to 2002 (it replaced the ECU - more info: Euro (Wikipedia)).
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Rohani Olson
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Posted - 2009.10.19 08:12:00 -
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One of my favorite chrons so far \o/
I am currently running a one-man project to translate Eve chronicles and short stories into Korean and post the end results on a fansite, and you are giving me a hard time... You are way too diligent, and you create way too much awesomioum in every chronicle that my translation array hardly collects a quarter of it (and it jams after one run because of overloading ).
Originally by: Gil Danastre Also CCP I demand that when Incarna hits, you give us the ability to go onboard our ships and hug crewmemebers to boost their morale.
This
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Malcheus
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Posted - 2009.10.19 11:53:00 -
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So the effect could be caused by the capsuleer, to maybe keep his crew trapped in his ship; but could it also be madness caused by interstellar travel? and if so... is it curable? and how did the industrial survive an attack?
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Shihai Moete
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Shihai Moete on 23/10/2009 07:58:44
Originally by: Story He saw his reflection, deep [in her eyes], and it was her own face.
Am I the only one to reads this as Lazar either having Reania's face, or the two had swapped faces?
I'm not the only one this twisted... am I?
Originally by: Gnulpie Isk was mentioned in the story. What exactly does it mean for that guy, how is it special, what can he do with it and how is it different than any normal money?
I read that he was used to being paid in fractions of ISK, perhaps called something else as a penny is to a dollar. He was being paid in whole values of ISK, something unheard of to him.
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Khanny
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:02:00 -
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Nice one!
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