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MasterEnt
MGroup9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:28:00 -
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When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Adverse.
HiSec Miners are - Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.
Gankers are - Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK. - Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK. - Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.
It is actually the gankers who are risk-adverse. Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played
This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on. |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:29:00 -
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You were dropped on the floor a lot eh? |
baltec1
1377
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:30:00 -
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Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1390
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:32:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Adverse.
HiSec Miners are - Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.
Gankers are - Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK. - Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK. - Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.
It is actually the gankers who are risk-adverse. Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played
This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on.
ganking is 100% risk
since when is a fully fit DPS tornado cheap? 100% RISK concord always helps out the downtrodden 100% RISK 10% of your losses is getting paid? hell insurance pays more... oh but gankers don't get that, do they? 100% RISK
your argument is thusly refuted The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. This, a thousand times.
Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?
Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.
And occasionally whine spin threads, too.
That is why they fail. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:33:00 -
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Miss Yanumano wrote:You were dropped on the floor a lot eh?
Yes he was. You think he talks a lot here, you should see him in the corp channel. I dont even think the chat logs can handle it. CEO of TheRealm |
MasterEnt
MGroup9
70
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to.
I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
69
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 -
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It's 'averse.'
Adverse suggests a negative or harmful condition or situations. High winds and heavy rain might be called 'adverse weather conditions.' Someone might say, 'The continued shortage of moon goo had adversely affected the tech 2 market.'
Averse suggests avoidance. "A person who is risk averse will dock with they spot a potential adversary on Local."
It's an easy mistake to make as lots of people conflate the two.
although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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MasterEnt
MGroup9
70
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.
But it IS risk free.. thank you. |
baltec1
1377
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:39:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.
ECM drones. The true bastards of space. |
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baltec1
1377
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:40:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. But it IS risk free.. thank you.
Yes, because the miners make it that way. |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor. ECM drones. The true bastards of space. Not to mention all those well-tanked exhumers.
And to those saying it hurts your yield - ever tanked a Covetor?
Not to mention the group play thing. Gankers organize, miners congregate like herbivorous herds.
If miners put any :effort: into protecting their ops, they'd lose vastly fewer Hulks.
Alas, they feel incented to start epic threads like this instead... |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1390
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:45:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.
wouldn't it be funny if CCP made a module that when used fires off an AOE that destabilizes certain minerals and metals this would be used to allow miners to increase their yields and shorten cycle times.
but it would also have a negative impact on all ships in the AOE (including the users ship) that would, as a result of the field, bottom out everyone's kinetic resists on armor for the duration of the effect.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Dyvim Slorm
MNU Operations Luna Sanguinem
29
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:47:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
ganking is 100% risk
since when is a fully fit DPS tornado cheap? 100% RISK concord always helps out the downtrodden 100% RISK 10% of your losses is getting paid? hell insurance pays more... oh but gankers don't get that, do they? 100% RISK
your argument is thusly refuted
Exactly the case.
Gankers accept the risk in full, no doubt because (to them) the ultimate benefit outweighs the cost of the risk
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
582
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:58:00 -
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another "we have more risk so i can cry on the forums" thread !!!! pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
96
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:00:00 -
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Because tanking your sec status isnt a RISK....
OPsoundsmad
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
96
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:02:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.
The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point. If you get 1 guy in a cruiser to hang out with your mining fleet, you probably wont ever have any problems from gankers. Just having a protection shield there is usually enough to deter suicide gankers, since the cruiser may get them before they get you... especially if the incoming ganker is already low enough sec status that he/she can be openly pursued in HS
you're point is again refuted
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
170
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:03:00 -
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highonpop wrote:MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor. The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point. you're point is again refuted
Here's an idea. Undock in a hulk with your 5 hammerheads and see how that works out for you. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
96
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:05:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:highonpop wrote:MasterEnt wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. Miners could fight back. They choose not to. I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor. The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point. you're point is again refuted Here's an idea. Undock in a hulk with your 5 hammerheads and see how that works out for you.
I keep hammerheads in my alt's hulk. Although, I don't mine with him in HS, instead I have to tank and fend off multiple battleship rat spawns.
here's an idea: HTFU
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1229
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:05:00 -
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Summed up OP for everyone. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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DHuncan
Mostly Harmless Mining Corp Peregrine Nation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:10:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. This, a thousand times. Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage? Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead. And occasionally whine spin threads, too. That is why they fail.
Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1391
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:12:00 -
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yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading
a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker
now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.
I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:14:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. This, a thousand times. Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage? Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead. And occasionally whine spin threads, too. That is why they fail. Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it. Honestly it's called a friend in a cruiser. Think about it.
Friends.
Miners don't have to die to gankers. They choose to. |
baltec1
1380
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:16:00 -
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Atanked hulk will take the impact from two tornados and just laugh at them. 7-10 destroyers neededto kill a hulk. Thats more than enough. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:17:00 -
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Morganta wrote:yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading
a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker
now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.
I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare.
This brb |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
214
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:53:00 -
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It's "Aversion", not "Adversion" |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
812
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:56:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Adverse.
HiSec Miners are - Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.
Gankers are - Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK. - Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK. - Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.
It is actually the gankers who are risk-adverse. Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played
This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on. Risk averse does not mean they don't risk things (which gankers would if miners in general were more willing to take action). It means being unwilling to risk things in such a way that you wish for CCP to change the game to make your life less risky even though you already can remove 99% of your risk with current mechanics. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
812
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:59:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:DHuncan wrote:Disregard That wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free. This, a thousand times. Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage? Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead. And occasionally whine spin threads, too. That is why they fail. Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it. Honestly it's called a friend in a cruiser. Think about it. Friends. Miners don't have to die to gankers. They choose to. EDIT: Also what baitec1 said below. Heck, mining aligned using 4 or so instas in a squarish pattern means nearly 100% risk free mining (other than slighlty lost isk/hour if you must warp out... still better than a loss of a ship). |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
883
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:00:00 -
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alas, "risk-free" ganking is the only activity that adds any risk to hisec mining
dealwizit eh |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:07:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:
Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something...
Seems obvious enough. |
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