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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:10:00 -
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1. Find a proper PVP corp that will teach you everything you can't learn from a skillbook. 2. Come to the races! In missions / mining / PVP you are only experiencing the pre-fabricated part of the sandbox game. 3. ??? 4. Profit!
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Ever Flow
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:18:00 -
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zozzzo u arent even reading what all these peeps are telling you. And, in this "grand scheme of things" as you say, EVE is one of the most popular MMO's to date. It's also the only to survive and continually grow over such a long period of time. So yeah EVE doesnt give you immediate satisfaction in everything you do, but if your looking for a point and click, small picture/who cares game... please move on. Other MMO's have fit that bill and died many years ago.
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:41:00 -
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you know, someone should just tell him how much stronger an older player would be in the same ship, but tech 2 fittings and level 5 skills. So were talking a player 3 years older than yourself op.
lets say you get all your skills to level 3, and they have them to 5. (it only takes like 1-2 months to get your support skills to level 3.
The older players would have BASE 10% more shield hp 10% more armor hp 10% more hull hp about 30-35% more attack power?
but where it really comes down to is player skill. Knowing what the fit, how to start the fight, knowing when and how to break away and live, stuff you'll learn form just playing a lot.
But , if your man of math lets use this instead of my banter. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=548883
This is the easy fitting tool. we can just pick a ship, like the rifter, now we fit it out with autocannons and a speed fit with a small armor tank and a damage control.. (1 month skills level 3)
2,002 effective hp 19 armor hp a sec tank your fire power is 53 dps with 137 alpha damage your speed is 971m/s your cap will last 33 seconds with everything running
Now, same fit, but with a character with all level 5 skills (20 years plus training time?)
effective hp is 2176 21 armor per second fire power of 75 dps with 171 alpha damage his speed is 1107m/s his cap will last 36 seconds
so as you can see the difference isn't super, because it's nto about skills, skill jsut unlock gear. now I'm goign to slap tech 2 gear on the all level 5 skills player.
ok so with tech 2 gear we have his effective hp is 2,585 31 armor a second for a an armor tank he does 99 dps with 226 alpha damage his speed is 1298 his cap will last 39 seconds
now as an example if he overheats he will get 115 dps instead of 99 and 40 armor a second instead of 31
but overheating hurts your modules.
Now we having talked about rigs or boosters, but I think you get the idea. It's NOT about your skills, it's only sort of about what tech gear you have on.
it's all about the fit.
If the all level 5 skills man comes at you with a long range fit and you MWD drive and catch with with auto cannons, he will most likely not even land a single hit o you if you fly smart. And all of his tech 2 gear and level 5 skills will do nothing for him.
This whole you can't play eve with skills thing is such utter nonsense.
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Saurish
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:57:00 -
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Zozzzo:
WhiteSavage is correct. You dont read players replays, thats why you donno how to move on.
EVE is a mmorpg, where you make make your own fun. Either that is mining, pvp, missions or something. It's up to you .
If you cant find your fund and need to be best, there are other mmorpg's which are for your play stlye.
Regards.
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G'Dnojk
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:45:00 -
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Man, you are failing horribly, but not due to lack of SP.
First. If you travel for 2 hours just to get a PVE boat running, you fail. Go to a marked hub and you get all you need.
Also in PvP.I know that you dont have to be old to kill more experiences players. You need to be creative about your strategy and fittings, thats all.
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Dust Irae
Minmatar Uusasai Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo Well, it's been how many years since this game came out? And how popular is it? Not very in the grand scheme of things, especially with some of the awesome features it has.
Hey, I'm totally fine with that. It has enough of a playerbase to be profitable enough for CCP to continue developing the game and maintain the servers. It's a niche game, that's for sure, and it works great with the vision CCP has for it. I certainly don't lament its lesser market share of the MMO pie, as that doesn't really affect much for me.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.10.07 07:13:00 -
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7/10
Very good troll. The only thing that betrays it is that it is too obvious that you don't read the replies. But apart from that it's good work.
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Xyranis
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:14:00 -
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Major arguements.
It's not wow.
Correct. Eve is no where near as successful as wow, nor is it as engaging or addictive to new players. If it takes a significant amount of time to become engaging with little direction, turn over will destroy the playerbase. Why do you think Eve has so much advertising? Why do you think Eve has revamped the new player experience so many times? The secret of Wow's success in this area, is a viable solo experience.
Eve has a mature playerbase.
Three years ago, the Eve forums were full of mature players. These days, i'm hard pressed to find any worthwhile content in it's depths. Troll posts, and ******s spouting the latest meme over and over. Grow up.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.07 09:13:00 -
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OP: I have no interest in listen to the opinions of a man who does not listen to the opinion of others.
One can only wonder why you did not participate in faction warfare when you are so interested in fighting for your faction.
And why there is not a billion people playing EVE? Because it would break the server. CCP has an interest in producing a quality product, not junk for the masses. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Katsuri Minamoto
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:21:00 -
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The author of this post is very much right about one thing that he has illustrated through his own experiences.
EVE has a very very high barrier of entry. It is so different, and so niche, that gamers with any kind of expectations going in will take a lot longer to come to realizations about what this game TRULY offers compared to someone, who for example, has NEVER played video games before. Someone who has never played a video game before will probably be BETTER at eve than someone who has, thats how different this product is. And it is successful because of those differences, it need not change. What it lacks in mass-market numbers, it makes up for in brand loyalty because anyone who falls in love with this product will never find something else out there like it to satiate them. It just doesn't get that old.
The hooks never got in the original poster. And they may never. But for every guy like him theirs someone like me, who didn't get into it on his first trial either. Not even my second, but the third time i took a crack at it, it finally all sunk in!
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:54:00 -
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I'd have to agree with the OP, but I think they should keep the current pvp as is but make a tutorial for the player for faction warfare.
I had to go out of my way to find the right missions for faction standing and basically trudge along trying to guess what I should do and where I should go.
Also the current FW fleet system is unwieldy and most of the time we are killing reds because we can't find the enemy fleet and they can't find us.
I mean they really need to have clear cut targets on the map so the factions players no where to go and what is going on. Right now you just have to join a pick up fleet and the FC has to send out people all over to try to find out where everyone is and even then your spending half the night warping around with no action.
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer 7/10 Very good troll. The only thing that betrays it is that it is too obvious that you don't read the replies. But apart from that it's good work.
Your troll-dar is being jammed. Recommend troll-painter so you can properly id trolls.
Why do you think Eve has so much advertising? Why do you think Eve has revamped the new player experience so many times? Because the developers are too narrow minded to figure out how to make this game appeal to more players. Consequently, they must have a truly staggering rate of attrition among free-trial players. They probably think it is due to the game's complexity, but after thinking about it I think that only accounts for a small percentage of abandonment. I think the majority are like me wondering what is Fun or Meaningful about this game early on. Not much. Mine, PvE mission, Salvage, collect ISK...YAWN
I have been (ON MY OWN- out of game) researching this whole alliance/corp thing. I say on my own because it doesn't seem to be part of the tutorial (which by the way I am stuck at Dagan since I can't overcome his shield regen in my cruiser). I keep hearing "Get help with Dagan", but there is no tutorial explanation of how to share a mission so both people get credit for it, if that is even possible. Anyway, back to alliance/corp. So I ASSUME there are border/sovereignty conflicts going on that are totally unrelated to the four factions. fine whatever as long as there is some sort of landgrab conflict I'm game. So I open up the starmap and start clicking on one alliance at a time. Then I alt-tab out of the game (and it's bs that I have to do this out of the game, but not a deal breaker). I search the alliances in wiki.eveonline.com then I click on each member corporation. Some have no website. Some have a website saying they aren't recruiting or want only people with 10M skills. I do this searching for about 2 hours. YAWN. I thought I was doing pretty good at 1.2M skills. So basically, I can't seem to even get involved in any border/soveriegnty war until I have 10M skills? HAHAHA you think this game will ever grow with this kind of marketing strategy?
I look at the recruiting forum next. The well organized ads detailing What we offer & What we want usually want 10M skills. There are a handful that will take newbs, but they are very small and don't even mention exactly which alliance they are in, just that it's "growing." or don't even turn up results in that search. lol. I don't mind being somewhat of an underdog compared to monsters like goonswarm, but come on, I don't want to get pwned at 20:1 odds all day either. A middle range alliance would be fine, but they are picky(10M) for some very mysterious reason. Maybe lag is such a **** blocker in this game that a small experienced gang is far better than attacking with a throng of newbs? I wouldn't know. You'd think having many people spending time in the alliance's home systems would be a good thing for defense and skirmishes? Maybe there is some dynamic about defending and taking systems that I am unaware of that makes having many players a negative. Anyway, after a few hours of researching corps out-of-game in IE, it seems impossible to join an alliance with any soveriegnty on the star map. Strange but true. Mostly Harmless looks good, but I'm unable to find openings.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo A middle range alliance would be fine, but they are picky(10M) for some very mysterious reason. Maybe lag is such a **** blocker in this game that a small experienced gang is far better than attacking with a throng of newbs? I wouldn't know.
The easiest reasoning for that requirement (not always the case, but often times) is the whole spy issue. Unlike other MMOs where everything is PvE or small scale PvP you don't really have to worry about spies. What would a spy tell their client, your raid schedule? Boohoo. On the other hand, a spy in EVE can cause a lot of damage, especially for those trying to control and patrol space. Spies can hurt high sec Corps as well. It could even effect lowsec pirate Corps if they report gang compositions and destinations to enemies. A 10M requirement may seem a bit steep to require of a newbie but you'll also see that those looking for newbies aren't requiring 10M SP. They want at least somewhat experienced personnel to fill their ranks and the 10M SP requirement, while not guaranteeing competence, at least suggests it and also makes it more difficult for spy infiltration.
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Linda Lipsynch
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo
I have been (ON MY OWN- out of game) researching this whole alliance/corp thing. So basically, I can't seem to even get involved in any border/soveriegnty war until I have 10M skills? HAHAHA you think this game will ever grow with this kind of marketing strategy?
That's not CCP marketing strategy. That's your opinion and the recruitment strategy of the corps you have seen and want to be part of.
Originally by: Zozzzo
I look at the recruiting forum next. The well organized ads detailing What we offer & What we want usually want 10M skills. There are a handful that will take newbs, but they are very small and don't even mention exactly which alliance they are in, just that it's "growing." or don't even turn up results in that search. lol. I don't mind being somewhat of an underdog compared to monsters like goonswarm, but come on, I don't want to get pwned at 20:1 odds all day either. A middle range alliance would be fine, but they are picky(10M) for some very mysterious reason.
10M is generally thought to be a good limit for a couple of reasons. 1: You've already asked all of the annoying questions by now and should at least be able to play the game without asking how to dock - you get the idea. 2: By 10m you will at least have taken part in some smaller corps and have a good feel as to how things work. 3: Generally precludes rapidly made alt spies from joining although many just buy a high sp character now. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo I have been (ON MY OWN- out of game) researching this whole alliance/corp thing. I say on my own because it doesn't seem to be part of the tutorial (which by the way I am stuck at Dagan since I can't overcome his shield regen in my cruiser). I keep hearing "Get help with Dagan", but there is no tutorial explanation of how to share a mission so both people get credit for it, if that is even possible.
Sounds like CCP achieved the thing they wanted, people asking others for help. If the tutorial explicitly told people to ask others for help it would not be teaching that one very important lessons: Learn to ask questions.
Originally by: Zozzzo Some have no website. Some have a website saying they aren't recruiting or want only people with 10M skills. I do this searching for about 2 hours. YAWN. I thought I was doing pretty good at 1.2M skills. So basically, I can't seem to even get involved in any border/soveriegnty war until I have 10M skills?
You're kinda like a guy who thinks he deserves a top job at NSA cause he can decode a ROT3 cipher. (Hint; elementary school kids have much fun with those)
A one month old character who deserves a shot at one of those big alliance corps would be in low-sec shooting ****, not making lame posts like the OP.
Originally by: Zozzzo I don't mind being somewhat of an underdog compared to monsters like goonswarm, but come on, I don't want to get pwned at 20:1 odds all day either.
Being shot down all day builds character. You do not have character.
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Isil Rahsen
Gallente Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:19:00 -
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This thread sucks.
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Meths
The Big Gay Animal Zoo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:20:00 -
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Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:25:21
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab A one month old character who deserves a shot at one of those big alliance corps would be in low-sec shooting ****, not making lame posts like the OP.
Being shot down all day builds character. You do not have character.
Yes! Make players wait a whole year before they can do anything fun. Brilliant. Oh sorry, going into "low-sec" and "shooting ****" wasn't on any of the requirement lists in the recruitment posts, just API requirements of 10-20M. I guess you are just ******ed that way.
EDIT: oh so many pointless insults. I can't get to each of you individually so let me just say that if you posted an insult then you are a worthless piece of crap and I wish you would kill yourself.
Still waiting for some useful info about how to participate in a kind of border expansion pvp game.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Zozzzo A middle range alliance would be fine, but they are picky(10M) for some very mysterious reason. Maybe lag is such a **** blocker in this game that a small experienced gang is far better than attacking with a throng of newbs? I wouldn't know.
The easiest reasoning for that requirement (not always the case, but often times) is the whole spy issue. Unlike other MMOs where everything is PvE or small scale PvP you don't really have to worry about spies. What would a spy tell their client, your raid schedule? Boohoo. On the other hand, a spy in EVE can cause a lot of damage, especially for those trying to control and patrol space. Spies can hurt high sec Corps as well. It could even effect lowsec pirate Corps if they report gang compositions and destinations to enemies. A 10M requirement may seem a bit steep to require of a newbie but you'll also see that those looking for newbies aren't requiring 10M SP. They want at least somewhat experienced personnel to fill their ranks and the 10M SP requirement, while not guaranteeing competence, at least suggests it and also makes it more difficult for spy infiltration.
I think this is the most ******ed thing in EVE....
The paranoia.
Why?
Because more than not its the CEO who steals the corp wallet and screws the members. Secondly, if someone wants to they can buy a character and the ISK and then look like a trusted person that way.
Yes there should be a bit of paranoia but the vetting methods are just as dumb because spies still get in anyways.
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Isil Rahsen
Gallente Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:25:21 I wish you would kill yourself.
Take your own advice.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:25:21
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab A one month old character who deserves a shot at one of those big alliance corps would be in low-sec shooting ****, not making lame posts like the OP.
Being shot down all day builds character. You do not have character.
Yes! Make players wait a whole year before they can do anything fun. Brilliant. Oh sorry, going into "low-sec" and "shooting ****" wasn't on any of the requirement lists in the recruitment posts, just API requirements of 10-20M. I guess you are just ******ed that way.
EDIT: oh so many pointless insults. I can't get to each of you individually so let me just say that if you posted an insult then you are a worthless piece of crap and I wish you would kill yourself.
Still waiting for some useful info about how to participate in a kind of border expansion pvp game.
There are tons of corps will till take players with low SP on PvP lessons and roams. However it's not your SP that's the problem here, it's your attitude. You seem to want this handed on a plate to you - Eve isn't like that I'm afraid. We can point you in the right direction, but only you can do the research. When you may like for a corp, others wouldn't.
Wishing people "would kill yourself" isn't going to do you an favours when you try to enter a corp either is it? Most corps do background checks you know?
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:42:51
Originally by: rofflesausage
There are tons of corps will till take players with low SP on PvP lessons and roams.
Then be useful and name one or two. If it's true I'll join and thank you.
Originally by: rofflesausage
However it's not your SP that's the problem here, it's your attitude. You seem to want this handed on a plate to you - Eve isn't like that I'm afraid. We can point you in the right direction, but only you can do the research. When you may like for a corp, others wouldn't.
Uh-huh. I guess all the searching I detailed didn't get your attention. Going on 3+ hours now of searching corps.
Originally by: rofflesausage
Wishing people "would kill yourself" isn't going to do you an favours when you try to enter a corp either is it? Most corps do background checks you know?
So I should just eat their ****? No thanks. Insult gets an insult back. BTW Isil, die you crap eater.
Now, on to some useful discovery I hope. I have been looking at http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2009-10-04 which details sovereignty changes apparently. What strikes me is how few of the entries show a change from non-allied alliances. Most of the changes go from a blank to an alliance or from an alliance to a blank. Maybe the latter means the alliance lost the system, but since the attackers didn't establish sovereignty immediately it's just blank.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Meths Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
This.
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:46:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Meths Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
This.
amazing, why do worthless bastards keep hijacking this thread. if you don't have something constructive to add then **** off. I already know idiots like you exist, no need to bother posting
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:42:51
Originally by: rofflesausage
There are tons of corps will till take players with low SP on PvP lessons and roams.
Then be useful and name one or two. If it's true I'll join and thank you.
I could mention one that had 5 new (1-5 month) characters kill a faction fitted loki a few days ago and all they do is fly cheap ship and pvp constantly, but I don't think you'd get in based on attitude.
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Meths
The Big Gay Animal Zoo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo
Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Meths Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
This.
amazing, why do worthless bastards keep hijacking this thread. if you don't have something constructive to add then **** off. I already know idiots like you exist, no need to bother posting
I may be a worthless bastard , but i dont insist on playing a game that i dont like and have to pay a monthly subscription for. Doh
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo
Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Meths Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
This.
amazing, why do worthless bastards keep hijacking this thread. if you don't have something constructive to add then **** off. I already know idiots like you exist, no need to bother posting
Because you only reply to the people talking **** and ignore the people trying to help you in the way that you want. Discourages people from helping, leading back to that attitude issue.
My advice: Join red vs blue (look for a big old thread in the general discussion area). You pick either Red Corp or Blue Corp and fight. It teaches you basics of PvP. It allows you to meet other players, many of which are playing on alts and who's mains are in larger, more established Corps/alliances. Making those connections gives you the inside track into getting into those larger Corporations. Or maybe one of them will decide to start their own Corporation and come to you to help fill the ranks. You never know. It's very much like real life in here. No one is going to do it for you, you have to be willing to beat the street on your own. I'm not saying that you haven't tried, it's just that you've been doing it in the least effective way possible so far. Seriously, try Eve University or Red vs Blue.
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Zozzzo Edited by: Zozzzo on 07/10/2009 18:42:51
Originally by: rofflesausage
There are tons of corps will till take players with low SP on PvP lessons and roams.
Then be useful and name one or two. If it's true I'll join and thank you.
I could mention one that had 5 new (1-5 month) characters kill a faction fitted loki a few days ago and all they do is fly cheap ship and pvp constantly, but I don't think you'd get in based on attitude.
lol. well at least those 5 newbs are having some fun. good for you. cya later!
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Isil Rahsen
Gallente Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo
Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Meths Ive got an idea for you,
leave the game you idiot
This.
amazing, why do worthless bastards keep hijacking this thread. if you don't have something constructive to add then **** off. I already know idiots like you exist, no need to bother posting
Die in a fire. The only worthless bastard in this thread is you. Your a noob with somekind of sense of entitlement. You want to find corps to join, then go ****ing find one. Don't come on the forums and ***** and moan about how the game doesn't cater to your every whim and expect to be immune from flames. None of us had anything handed to us on a platter like you seem to expect. This is not the game for you. If you want instant access to PvP fights for space then your best bet is faction warfare as mentioned earlier in the thread. This game will not give you goals you need to form them yourself. Stop *****ing and quit/go back to WoW, or get off your ass and do something.
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Max Queso
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zozzzo Now, on to some useful discovery I hope. I have been looking at http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2009-10-04 which details sovereignty changes apparently. What strikes me is how few of the entries show a change from non-allied alliances. Most of the changes go from a blank to an alliance or from an alliance to a blank. Maybe the latter means the alliance lost the system, but since the attackers didn't establish sovereignty immediately it's just blank.
Much of the time sov changes aren't caused by conflicts but for a host of other reasons. Players and alliances move around. Safe bet that much of those changes you saw weren't even being paid that much attn to by the leaders of the affected alliance. Other times a drop in system sov may be the result of aggression but the aggressing force that caused the change didn't pick up sov because they didn't plant towers or they did but their towers haven't been up long enough to pick it up yet, whatever.
Use this map too. Try Eve University. Be patient, you're still a 1mil sp nub. The answers will come. Find community chats in game, they help. I'm beginning to think that you're the kind that actually likes repeatedly knocking his head upon a wall.
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