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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tsang Chou 2 bonds at 4%... here's to hoping it doesn't go much lower. :)
Since bidding kinda slowed down i think we will see something between 4% and 5%
but lets just wait and see what we will get.
cheers, Julian
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.09 18:18:00 -
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5 bonds at 4.5%
I don't mind VV holding the collateral, provided the total amount of collateral she is currently holding does not exceed 50B.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 19:39:00 -
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Personally think that around 5% is about right for a 100% collateral backed bond.
The best backed bonds (perceived lowest risk) on the market are at 4.0 - 4.25%
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Mikael Genexi
Gallente Product Number 3
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Posted - 2009.10.10 03:13:00 -
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20 bonds at 4%
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Marnurn
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:23:00 -
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20 bonds at 0.5 percent.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 08:26:40
Originally by: Marnurn 20 bonds at 0.5 percent.
All we need now is one person who is so 'funny' to say:Hell i can leave one bille in this just for giggles to set it at a 0.5 percent'
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 08:26:40
Originally by: Marnurn 20 bonds at 0.5 percent.
All we need now is one person who is so 'funny' to say:Hell i can leave one bille in this just for giggles to set it at a 0.5 percent'
I kinda hope someone does.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:10:00 -
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I expect he's gambling that the bond will close at a slightly higher rate, but doesn't want to have to keep re-bidding. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I expect he's gambling that the bond will close at a slightly higher rate, but doesn't want to have to keep re-bidding.
I think he now got the reason an earlier bid for 0.5% was offered because of the explanation given by me and others and thinks it is the smartest way to do the same.But in this case it only takes one practical joke to make the investment worth nothing.
Since i have NO sense of humour i will not be that person however
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Onyx Mdooku
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:14:00 -
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FYI Julian, I will be afk for the next day. I should be back in time tomorrow to make the 24 hours after deadline payment, but may however be a few hours late. I hope this is acceptable.
This is of course assuming I am still in this bond when it closes in a few hours time.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Koll on 10/10/2009 11:15:17
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 08:26:40
Originally by: Marnurn 20 bonds at 0.5 percent.
All we need now is one person who is so 'funny' to say:Hell i can leave one bille in this just for giggles to set it at a 0.5 percent'
I kinda hope someone does.
TBH as issuer i am not sure what to think of this. I can definately imageine investors bailing if it was to go at 0.5%, and i want this launch to happen.
Anyone has any advice to offer?
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:21:00 -
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I'd be tempted to say that folks welching on a bid would be held in poor regard in future. They knew what they were doing when they bid at 0.5%, they knew the risks.
As a guard in future then perhaps a minimum of (eg) 2% - set at a rate so low it becomes a very good deal for the operator but maybe not at bail-worthy low for folks who want to play that game.
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2009.10.10 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll
TBH as issuer i am not sure what to think of this. I can definately imageine investors bailing if it was to go at 0.5%, and i want this launch to happen.
Anyone has any advice to offer?
Start with the lowest bid and give them 48 hours to send you the cash. If they do not then forfeit their place and offer to the next lowest. Once you receive all the cash then offer the bond at the highest %age investor.
I don't think there is any real way you can tell who is being serious and who is not, so rather than have to re-run the aution let people know that the offer will roll over to serious investors. That way you still get some interest around the current 4% mark for those suspecting that the 0.5% people won't play ball.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll Edited by: Julian Koll on 10/10/2009 11:15:17
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 08:26:40
Originally by: Marnurn 20 bonds at 0.5 percent.
All we need now is one person who is so 'funny' to say:Hell i can leave one bille in this just for giggles to set it at a 0.5 percent'
I kinda hope someone does.
TBH as issuer i am not sure what to think of this. I can definately imageine investors bailing if it was to go at 0.5%, and i want this launch to happen.
Anyone has any advice to offer?
Just treat it like it was a higher offer.It is their right to bid so low and take the risk.If the rate actually would fall down to 0.5% then they should also invest since they did this bidding.If they would bail out they would be a laughing stock in my opinion but i am sure both will still invest if the actuall rate would be 0.05% since i assume they know they risks thatcome with it and both have investments running elsewhere.
As an example: if i was the one operating the investment here and i wanted to get myself a damn cheap loan i'd let my alt now bid 1 bille for 0.5%.But that would be just pure evil wouldn't it.
Then again my business feeling is as low as my sense of humour.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
As an example: if i was the one operating the investment here and i wanted to get myself a damn cheap loan i'd let my alt now bid 1 bille for 0.5%.But that would be just pure evil wouldn't it.
Then again my business feeling is as low as my sense of humour.
Which would be, asides from some conflicts with my moral (yes, laugh all you want), very pointless since VV knows all my alts and would pretty damn sure tell the world that i am lying scumbag.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll
Originally by: flakeys
As an example: if i was the one operating the investment here and i wanted to get myself a damn cheap loan i'd let my alt now bid 1 bille for 0.5%.But that would be just pure evil wouldn't it.
Then again my business feeling is as low as my sense of humour.
Which would be, asides from some conflicts with my moral (yes, laugh all you want), very pointless since VV knows all my alts and would pretty damn sure tell the world that i am lying scumbag.
It was more as an example to show that these types of bidding can REALLY work against you. I have now showed 2 ways in wich you can be 'harmed' in investing this way.
On a sidenote don't take what i say too seriously
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:05:00 -
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OK,
bidding has ended and the bond will be launched at an interest rate of
4%
The bonds will be issued to the following bidders
Tsang Chou - 2 bonds Mikael Genexi - 08 bonds (only 08 of 20 bid on bonds could be distributed due to being the last bidder at the 4% interest) Emmgel - 20 bonds Marnurn - 20 bonds
I will now contact the bidders regarding who should hold the collateral. Please send the ISK to my account within the next 24 hours, but feel free to wait till it is confirmed that the collateral is locked down.
best regards, Julian Koll
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 15:58:00 -
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Quote:
5 bonds at 4.5%
I don't mind VV holding the collateral, provided the total amount of collateral she is currently holding does not exceed 50B
As of now I am collecting 34.09B worth of collateral, so you should be fine. - Auditing and consulting
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 18:37:00 -
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Confirming I received a collateral consisting of:
- 2B x Tritanium pieces - 1 x Station Warehouse - Auditing and consulting
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:48:00 -
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Bidding at 0.5% is a risk, but it is a guarantee (insofar as anything in the Eve market can be guaranteed) of involvement. It does pre-suppose a certain intelligence on the part of other bidders, and as others have ably pointed out above does carry a risk that you will be bound to an investment paying a woeful rate of interest.
None of this is news. I would however go on the record as saying that had this bond been filled at 0.5% interest then I would have been less than ecstatic at the ROI, but would not have withdrawn. I would consider anyone who pursues this strategy who subsequently withdraws their investment due to a low ROI to be in default of their contractual obligations and to be a welcher.
Such are the risks of this strategy. It isn't for the faint of heart, but in this case it paid off nicely.
Emmgel
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.12 14:33:00 -
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Unfortunately Tsang Chou has not yet send the money for his bid on 2 bonds. He also did not react to any of my attempts to contact him and i did not see him online.
I will contact Mikael and offer him to fill the now open aigain 2 bonds since he originally bid on 20 and just got assigned 8.
If wished, i can have this confirmed by a 3rd Party using API.
best regards, Julian
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Mikael Genexi
Gallente Product Number 3
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Posted - 2009.10.12 17:18:00 -
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an additional 200M isk has been sent to Julian Koll.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.12 17:19:00 -
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Confirming that i received additional 200m from Mikael Genexi. The distribution of bonds with investors is now
Mikael Genexi - 10 bonds (only 10 of 20 bid on bonds could be distributed due to being the last bidder at the 4% interest) Emmgel - 20 bonds Marnurn - 20 bonds
best regards, Julian
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.11.10 07:45:00 -
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First interest payment has been made.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.12.08 23:08:00 -
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As my liqiudation process went rather well, the bond has been repayed 2 days early. Each investor did receive his initial investment and his second interest payment.
When Vaerah will be available for an audit again, a performance audit might be done for this bond.
Thanks, Julian Koll
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Mikael Genexi
Gallente Product Number 3
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:33:00 -
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I have received full repayment of my initial investment plus the appropriate amount of interest.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.09 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll As my liqiudation process went rather well, the bond has been repayed 2 days early. Each investor did receive his initial investment and his second interest payment.
When Vaerah will be available for an audit again, a performance audit might be done for this bond.
Thanks, Julian Koll
I'll be able to check everything out later today when I get back home. - Auditing and consulting
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.12.09 16:48:00 -
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Monies received. Thank you for your professionalism and honesty in running this investment.
Emmgel
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:44:00 -
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Repayments checked, collateral returned to Julian. - Auditing and consulting
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.28 01:34:00 -
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Performance report
This is Vaerah Vahroka's analysis as of 2009-01-26 01:00 EvE Time.
Tools used jEveAssets EMMA Eve Wallet Aware Excel
Forewords
I have been contacted to provide a late audit about Julian Koll's performance. As such, three reports will be provided: one as of bond start (since no audit was requested at that date), one after the bond end and another as of today.
NAV
This is the situation before the bond launch. Due to API limitations, the older data are approximated as they are all manually calculated over 9 characters and 1 corporation.
Assets and balance
Balance
Wallet balance: 2.07B Market sell-orders: 1.306B Market escrow: 44M Contracts: 89M Investments: 0M
Total: 3.509B
Assets
POS: 0M Fleet / ships: 271M (unfitted) Modules: 4.71B Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc.: 1.2B Blueprint copies and originals: 308M Other: About 825M Ordered assets under construction: 0M
Total: 7.314B
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Estimated grand total: 10.823 Billion ISK
This is at the bond end
Assets and balance
Balance
Wallet balance: 11.277B Market sell-orders: 1.190B Market escrow: 45M Contracts: 0M Investments: 0M
Total: 12.512B
Assets
POS: 0M Fleet / ships: 1.6B (unfitted) Modules: 6.011B Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc.: 3.1B Blueprint copies and originals: 300M Other: About 1.312M Ordered assets under construction: 0M
Total: 12.323B
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Estimated grand total: 24.835 Billion ISK
This is as of the date of this audit:
Assets and balance
Balance
Wallet balance: 382M Contracts: 722M Market sell-orders: 595M Market escrow: 0M Investments: 0M
Total: 1.699B
Assets
POS: 1.724B (multiple POSes) Fleet / ships: 1.704B (unfitted) Modules: 8.513B Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc.: 24.339B Of which, about 15.2B in composites, 5.705 in moon materials
Blueprint copies and originals: 170M Other: About 1.829B Ordered assets under construction: already included in the assets
Total: 38.279B
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Estimated grand total: 39.978 Billion ISK
Important notice: the above evaluations were made with the most pessimistic scenario: lowest Jita prices, lowest contracts and faction gear evaluation and so on. A large amount of assets are far off Jita, using their local price the assets values alone could raise further up. Despite these last data are also manually calculated (hence the general lack of "cool looking" program generated graphics in this audit) they should be exact to within less than 5%.
NAV trend
The following graph illustrates how Julian Koll's NAV increased over time. Bumps can be found at certain moments (pay back, big buy of materials and so on).
A sizable increase in growth can be observed after he added a new income opportunity with T2 minerals.
- Auditing and consulting
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