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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2009.10.12 01:48:00 -
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I'm the only real pvper in this game because I play PONG.
That's pure player vs player without all gimmicks.
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Nai Ling
Amarr Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.10.12 03:36:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Shawshanke I'm the only real pvper in this game because I play PONG.
That's pure player vs player without all gimmicks.
I see your PONG, and raise you:
Gorilla Basic!
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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:04:00 -
[123]
In my short time with Terra Incognita, alongside Burn Eden, I got to see some real pvp. Bad odds, no hope of survival, no problem.
I think Curzon and Wildcat should have a fight and charge 5m a head for a ticket to see it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:17:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 So then I ask how is ninja salvaging PVP?
Ninja Salvaging is not PVP and I don't know why anyone would think it is. It is competition between players for limited resources but that is the same thing as mining and I certainly wouldn't put mining into the "PvP category"
Both mining and salvaging are PvP for that very reason: it's a competition over resources where one wins the stuff and the other does not.
Incidentally, this is also why mission carebears so thoroughly hate salvaging and want to restrict ownership and/or keep people out of "their" mission space: because (unsurprisingly, since they are carebears) they don't want to compete. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:22:00 -
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i don't really 'get' this thread?
so your just saying what someone says is a carebear doesn't really jive with what you consider a carebear is?
the big revelation here is: Some people may attach meaning to a title differently than others? Whoa, stop the presses.
I think what your trying to say is, a lot of HARD pvpers are really just as soft as the carebears they poke fun at?
examples:
PVPER: lol Goonswarm I"M HARD YOUR ALLIANCE SUCKS HOWS EMPIRE LOL? CAREBEAR TRUTH: /joined biggest alliance in game because he secretly sucks w/o having an army to back him up
PVPER: YOU ARNE"T HARD. WHATS HARD IS JUMPING IN OUTNUMBERED AND FIGHING PPL OFF CAREBEAR TRUTH: Won't pvp without a cloak
PVPER: LOW SEC IS WHERE ITS AT, ARRR! PIRATE FOREVER!!!! CAREBEAR TRUTH: loves station games and ganking at gate with alt on the other side. wouldn't risk his bs in a fair fight evar
PVPER: I WILL TELL YOU OF PVP AND WHAT IT IS AND HOW IT WORKS CAREBEAR TRUTH: They are a member of the north block
I agree with a lot that you would say and many peoples responses. Plus, i had to jab at wildcat, take it with a grain of salt :P
Yes, cowards are everywhere. Usually the ones to bark the loudest are the biggest pussies. Then again, i'm posting on an alt (OMG I"M A CAREBEAR TRUTH!!!!)
Best REAL pvpers in the game in my opinion? Anyone that likes to be on the losing side or clearly has entered a fight with a real chance of losing.
Anyone that would sign up for fac warefare, anyone that is currently in the new Red versus Blue. True roamers. Ppl that will leave system when fights are clearly about to take place on a station. Russians that won't die. all = respeckt
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Ralavina
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:15:00 -
[126]
Hey Curzon, you left the game a while back and I wanted a 1 v 1 with you.
If you're still interested can we do this? If you want to put a wager that's fine, I'm also up for doing it for fun (i.e. no betting), whichever's easiest.
Same rules as before, tho? No ECM etc?
Should be fun :-)
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NSSQUAD
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:21:00 -
[127]
well i just want to say that i killed 6 pods today and get a inti mark 5 with a small corp hanger in it:-) guess what i did it solo and not going to lie solo pvp it kind of easier then dealing with a blob of dumb kids
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Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:29:00 -
[128]
I always considered carebears to be people who prefer mining over missioning. The relatively lower profit is acceptable because roids don't shoot back, and your drones can easily pick off any belt rat that might warp in (in highsec that is).
On the other hand, there are only few 'true' PvPers in EVE. They participate in tournaments like the Alliance Tourney. I consider everyone roaming in Losec and Nullsec to be just Player Pirates. Yes, it is PvP if your freighter gets popped by a gatecamp in Old Man Star, but it's not the kind of organized, appointed PvP you see in tournaments. There's PvP and PvP.
Then again, that's just my opinion. I've never dealt with or been a player pirate, but I have participated in small PvP tournaments of my corporation.
By the way, I am a carebear under my own definition. -----
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:47:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2009 11:55:34
Originally by: Curzon Dax A few notes...Ginger Magician, self-proclaimed best PvPer in Eve who would camp a gate in a carrier (before everyone had carriers) and kill shuttles all day long; I straight offered him 5 billion ISK for a 1v1. Unfortunately, he was always too busy, and frankly told me that a "legend" like him spending time fighting a "noob" like me would be a waste of time.
I couldn't even fight tech2 stuff until near the end of my reign of lollerskates.
Indeed you didnt fit tech 2. You fit 200 bill worth of officer mods which is FAR SUPERIOR to tech 2.
Putting aside the utter cheesyness of 1v1s - Are you seriously criticizing a pilot for not 1v1ing a pilot pretending to be a "carebear noob" when in reality he is a trade/hauler alt for a "merciless pirate" and whos ships are fit 5 times better then he would fit it. I would say he saw through your little game and gave it the response it deserved
I think you were just gutted that you couldn't "buy" other pilots like prank-monkeys by waving isk under their nose. Not everyone judges success the way you do (ISK ISK ISK ISK ISK ISK ISK THIRD PARTY ISK ISK ISK)- and therefore in fact see you as a failure in eve. Thats what upset you.
Quote:
1. I'm not doing fights anymore. So many changes, I hardly know how to play Eve anymore and I haven't put forth much effort since returning to Eve in doing so. Overdrive or overclocking or heating or whatever...probably something I'm supposed to have for PvP and haven't bothered with
ERRR WHAT!!!
THE WHOLE POINT OF YOUR THREAD IS THAT YOU CALLED OUT AND TOOK ON THE ELITE PVPERS HAVING "JUST GOT OUT OF A MINING BARGE" AND BEING TOTALY UNSKILLED. NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL NOT FIGHT THESE PVPERS BECAUSE YOU... ARE TOTALLY UNSKILLED
I just find it funn all the carebears pitching up to support "Curzon Dax - one of their own" totally unaware that curzon is in fact (originally at least) a trade alt for a (OH NOES!) ganking, merciless pirate.
So your original challenge experiment has been shown to be a farce (you DID have pvp skills, the carebear miner was in fact just an alt of an experienced pvper, and you were fitting 200 billion isk mods) and this thread is a farce. What the hell is the point of this thread - just to have a dig at a 3 year old banned player?
SKUNK
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk ERRR WHAT!!!
THE WHOLE POINT OF YOUR THREAD IS THAT YOU CALLED OUT AND TOOK ON THE ELITE PVPERS HAVING "JUST GOT OUT OF A MINING BARGE" AND BEING TOTALY UNSKILLED. NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL NOT FIGHT THESE PVPERS BECAUSE YOU... ARE TOTALLY UNSKILLED
Hey man, I won't spend too much words on ya because I understand you're legally ******ed and I feel horrible trolling legal ******s. But for the record, the competition was open to everyone, not miners that just recently hopped on a Moa.
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5mokey McPot
Alpha Strike.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Le Skunk ERRR WHAT!!!
THE WHOLE POINT OF YOUR THREAD IS THAT YOU CALLED OUT AND TOOK ON THE ELITE PVPERS HAVING "JUST GOT OUT OF A MINING BARGE" AND BEING TOTALY UNSKILLED. NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL NOT FIGHT THESE PVPERS BECAUSE YOU... ARE TOTALLY UNSKILLED
Hey man, I won't spend too much words on ya because I understand you're legally ******ed and I feel horrible trolling legal ******s. But for the record, the competition was open to everyone, not miners that just recently hopped on a Moa.
I think its you who might be the idiot, the point skunk is making is that the op stated that he was a miner with no pvp expierence who challenged supposed elite pvpers to 1v1 duals to prove that so called carebears could actualy match and defeat these so called pvpers in 1v1s, but the truth is dax was actual an alt of a pvper which, completely defeated the point he was trying to prove.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.10.12 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax A few notes...
1. I'm not doing fights anymore. So many changes, I hardly know how to play Eve anymore and I haven't put forth much effort since returning to Eve in doing so. Overdrive or overclocking or heating or whatever...probably something I'm supposed to have for PvP and haven't bothered with. Lots of new ships, and I haven't really looked into them that much. The fitting setups I used to use are all nerfed or gone. No more NOS. MWDs gimped. Tracking on blasters gimped. Etc.
Just makes it sound like you are only willing to PvP in overpowered ships.
However I think the last time I won a 1v1 was when NOS was around, and I was a noob. Lately I've tried doing my hyperion vs megathron and drake, which just ended up megathron docking in structure. Other 1v1s have ended with neutral remote repping coming in. Recently I jumped on a zealot (I think was ratting) with my rupture and got him to structure but he called in 10 friends to save him.
So now, all I really get is the trill of occasional small gang PvP. 5v5, although rare lately, is a great provider of satisfaction. I must admit I also engage in cowardly actions like recon gangs in nullsec.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.12 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2009 13:05:59
Originally by: 5mokey McPot ... the point skunk is making is that the op stated that he was a miner with no pvp expierence who challenged supposed elite pvpers to 1v1 duals to prove that so called carebears could actualy match and defeat these so called pvpers in 1v1s, but the truth is dax was actual an alt of a pvper which, completely defeated the point he was trying to prove.
Indeed that was my first points, thank you.
The second point was that in THIS THREAD, the OP is:
REFUSING OFFERS OF 1V1s BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE SOME SKILLS TRAINED UP
This is, of course, totally at odds with his original post, where the whole point was just that - he was skillless - but he would STILL beat you!
He was a carebear who was "straight out of a mining barge" - with little to no skillpoints in pvp skills. And would STILL challenge all the leet pvpers to a fight.
Am i right? *audience* Yer not wrong! */audience*
SKUNK (o)
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.10.12 13:36:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 12/10/2009 13:40:43
OP's point was that the majority of "PvPers" in EvE are so risk-averse they wouldn't attack an Ibis doing an L1 mission in 0.4 space without first fleeting with 5 friends in BS's.
This yellow text is just a cheap attempt to redirect the discussion. I suppose you get a lot of practice wit that kind oftechnique while trying to prove that undercutting sellers in highSec markets is PvP /kek.
The issue isn't that EvE players sometimes participate in one-sided fights where they have an overwhelming advantage. It's that a lot of EvE players never participate in anything but one-sided fights. Which makes them about as "brave" as the PvE players they so enjoy insulting and ganking.
gankBears. If destroying roids got them a killMail thats all they'd ever do. As it is I suspect a large proportion of the killMails in EvE come from these brave PvPers fighting their own alts.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 12/10/2009 13:40:43
OP's point was that the majority of "PvPers" in EvE are so risk-averse they wouldn't attack an Ibis doing an L1 mission in 0.4 space without first fleeting with 5 friends in BS's.
This yellow text is just a cheap attempt to redirect the discussion. I suppose you get a lot of practice wit that kind oftechnique while trying to prove that undercutting sellers in highSec markets is PvP /kek.
The issue isn't that EvE players sometimes participate in one-sided fights where they have an overwhelming advantage. It's that a lot of EvE players never participate in anything but one-sided fights. Which makes them about as "brave" as the PvE players they so enjoy insulting and ganking.
gankBears. If destroying roids got them a killMail thats all they'd ever do. As it is I suspect a large proportion of the killMails in EvE come from these brave PvPers fighting their own alts.
This - much like I've been trying to say, but in fewer words.
Skunk, I don't know if you're just trolling, but your post stinks. Your first point has no context to anything in this thread; I realize that you have quite the history if inflammatory posting and wandering from the truth, but you've just outdone yourself. And your second point; regardless of my past activity on another character, when your sole character is an industrialist with no combat skills, can't fit tech2 gear, and has to train to get into the ship class someone wants to fight with....I'd say that's pretty much the par for what I said. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To |
Josefius
Gallente JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 14:46:00 -
[136]
QFT
Originally by: Gsptlsnz Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 12/10/2009 13:40:43
OP's point was that the majority of "PvPers" in EvE are so risk-averse they wouldn't attack an Ibis doing an L1 mission in 0.4 space without first fleeting with 5 friends in BS's.
This yellow text is just a cheap attempt to redirect the discussion. I suppose you get a lot of practice wit that kind oftechnique while trying to prove that undercutting sellers in highSec markets is PvP /kek.
The issue isn't that EvE players sometimes participate in one-sided fights where they have an overwhelming advantage. It's that a lot of EvE players never participate in anything but one-sided fights. Which makes them about as "brave" as the PvE players they so enjoy insulting and ganking.
gankBears. If destroying roids got them a killMail thats all they'd ever do. As it is I suspect a large proportion of the killMails in EvE come from these brave PvPers fighting their own alts.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.12 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2009 15:42:31 No im not trolling.
Originally by: curzon dax Your first point has no context to anything in this thread
My first point is very much in context with this thread. Both of the following posts were posted by YOU in THIS THREAD. I am responding to comments made by YOU in THIS THREAD.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
A couple years ago, much because of threads similar to this one where carebears in the guise of "PvPers" felt the need to open mouth, insert foot, and demonstrate their feelings of superiority, this particular carebear (me) put up a challenge to the entire universe that I would pay up to 5 billion ISK to any pilot in Eve who could beat in me in a 1v1. Me, a carebear with no PvP experience got out of his Hulk and started training combat skills.
Originally by: curzon dax
Once, Curzon was an industrial alt that I bought to make money for my PvP. I was named Falzone, and I pirated mercilessly. I flew with S.A.S and spent countless nights in a dreadnought crew killing POSes for giggles. I did my share of fighting against Goonswarm in 1v-; I've been in capital fights, I've been outnumbered 40:1 and ganked, I've been outnumbered 5:1 and won. I've sat on a gate for hours, and I've also been part of a team that flew into a mothership gatecamp and ganked it. One of the very first, if not the first.
In the space of several posts you change your stated pvp experience from being
a carebear with NO pvp experience (direct quote from the op)
To being:
a merciless pirate, who flew with some of the best pvp corps, killed people property FOR GIGGLES fought in 0.0 wars, and won against 5v1 odds.
Your either lying then or your lying now. The two statements can not sit side by side. Each post your make contains some new inconsistency with something you've said in the previous day, week or month - and ill not apologize for pointing it out. If you don't want responses to your posts, dont start threads.
Originally by: curzon dax
character is an industrialist with no combat skills, can't fit tech2 gear, and has to train to get into the ship class someone wants to fight with....I'd say that's pretty much the par for what I said.
Which you counter by fitting 200 billion isk officer mods which are SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THEN T2 MODS. "Look at me - im so crap i cant even use a crossbow - but ive bought a machine gun."
TLDR:
So we have a situation where the "carebear with no pvp experience straight out of a hulk" actually is a highly experienced pvper, using an alt whos limited pvp skill points are more then made up for by fitting billions of isk worth of officer mods on faction ships.
The experiment was a utter farce and proved nothing.
(o)
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.10.12 15:49:00 -
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The thread is not about Curzon Dax (the OP). An "ad hominem" attack on him is just a distraction.
The thread is about "gankRabbits".
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:08:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2009 16:08:19
Originally by: Gsptlsnz
As it is I suspect a large proportion of the killMails in EvE come from these brave PvPers fighting their own alts.
You are utterly, utterly delusional. Your ignorance precludes you from further comment in this thread.
SKUNK (o)
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 12/10/2009 16:45:05
I admire your consistency Skunk, but "argumentum ad hominum" has a name in latin because it's been tried many times over the years - and hasn't become any more logical with the repetition.
I defy your attempt to stop me posting! lol.
I can't tell (yet) if you're here representing gankRabbits or if you just like fighting in forums. If the former, you won't find ganking as easy in here. If the latter, I hope I can look forward to a little more variation in your attacks.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:57:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Gsptlsnz but "argumentum ad hominum" has a name in latin because it's been tried many times over the years - and hasn't become any more logical with the repetition.
Your latin needs work. Just saying...
Besides that you really don't seem to grasp the meaning of "ad hominem". --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:20:00 -
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Would be great if we got back on topic - we're discussing carebears, and how the word applies to those so often eager to use the word to describe others.
Namely, the pot calling the kettle black. :)
Grammar ****s and personal attacks not required. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To |
Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 21:51:40 A care bear is someone who simply does not want to let another player interact with them in a way they do not want at the expense of the other players freedom.
That doesn't mean a carebear doesn't gank people themselves (a gankbear). It just means they do not want the game to be played where other people are killing them.
Not that there are PvE carebears. Its just that reds seem to be the most vocal about making it easier for them to kill without retribution.
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Aria Selenis
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.13 00:25:00 -
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I think, despite all the nerd rage, you all miss a big point.
EVE is a social game. Being in a PVP corp is a social environment. If I bring 10 friends to kill your ship, it's not because of a risk/reward calculation, it's not because I'm too scared to engage you alone, and it's not because I might lose a pixel spaceship.
It's because I actually enjoy playing this online game with other people. So we form a fleet and PVP together. If you're alone, that's not my problem; what am I expected to do, ask everyone to quietly sit out because it wouldn't be fair to fight you with more than one ship?
It may be an alien concept, but perhaps those pvpers aren't traveling in groups because they're trembling with fear at the thought of losing. Maybe, just maybe, it's because they have friends. |
Vxrasa
Caldari Smegnet Incorporated Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:58:00 -
[145]
I like your songs, but your posting is of inferior quality.
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.13 03:58:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Aria Selenis I think, despite all the nerd rage, you all miss a big point.
EVE is a social game. Being in a PVP corp is a social environment. If I bring 10 friends to kill your ship, it's not because of a risk/reward calculation, it's not because I'm too scared to engage you alone, and it's not because I might lose a pixel spaceship.
It's because I actually enjoy playing this online game with other people. So we form a fleet and PVP together. If you're alone, that's not my problem; what am I expected to do, ask everyone to quietly sit out because it wouldn't be fair to fight you with more than one ship?
It may be an alien concept, but perhaps those pvpers aren't traveling in groups because they're trembling with fear at the thought of losing. Maybe, just maybe, it's because they have friends.
Your logic dictates that these PvPers should have no problem attacking a superior force and dying with their friends.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.13 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 13/10/2009 04:25:04 Stupid forums. Delete.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.13 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 21:51:40 A care bear is someone who simply does not want to let another player interact with them in a way they do not want at the expense of the other players freedom.
That doesn't mean a carebear doesn't gank people themselves (a gankbear). It just means they do not want the game to be played where other people are killing them.
Not that there are PvE carebears. Its just that reds seem to be the most vocal about making it easier for them to kill without retribution.
To me those players are not carebears they are just selfish moaners and do not represent many players who do not PVP. CCP ignore them anyway, you can tell that from the changes in the next expansion. Anyone who plays EVE knows from day one PVP happens everywhere and unless they are really dumb they should expect it or play another game.
I carebear but without the risk of PVP happening it would not be as much fun. I wouldn't bother with WH space if there was no risk of me being jumped. It gives me a reason to train and fly covert ops sometimes. I also PVP directly sometimes and I suspect many carebears do now and again. I assume most PVE players think the same, PVP is important to this game and therefore so is risk. Only a few moaner posts on these forums suggest otherwise, that's hardly representative. And those who are happy with the way things are don't post do they?
It seems to me that some PVP players are using a few moaners as an excuse to push their agenda. That is not going to make that agenda persuasive.
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Mobius Q
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Posted - 2009.10.13 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Skunk, I don't know if you're just trolling...
Is it just me, or do 90% of your replies start like that (replacing Skunk with whomever's opinion you happen to dislike)?
Your OP shows you don't really have a grasp on PVP. I don't really care how big you make yourself sound, that is the reality. Essentially you are disappointed that you can't log on, undock, and have a nice fair fight (which you will probably win in a 50 bill officer fit vs a t2 fit).
Also someone earlier posted that you are arguing the definition of a subjective term. Well, more than that, you are defining it as you want and then categorizing everyone as you see fit. Seriously, the OP is a troll designed to start a flame war with "pvpers" and "carebears".
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.13 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mobius Q
Is it just me, or do 90% of your replies start like that (replacing Skunk with whomever's opinion you happen to dislike)?
Trolling is defined roughly as posting in a thread in an inflammatory nature to anger someone else. I'll tack onto that definition (that's from the rules) that is also lacks anything of constructive value.
You could fairly say that there is a great deal of trolling in the Eve forums. The mods do a horrendous job upholding the rules; instituting a warning system and a progressively more severe punishment linked by account would do wonders towards cleaning up the forums.
Skunks post (much like your own) had nothing to do with the subject at hand, was poorly informed at best, and was written in an inflammatory nature. Read the forum rules on trolling, read your own post (or Skunks) and you'll clearly recognize a trolling post. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To |
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