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sweikewa
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:50:00 -
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Can someone from CCP say what logic is there that all navy bs' got reduced shield recharge rate by 50% ?. i Just want to know who was so brilliant.. ? it's no change for armor tanking ships. But for shield tanking ships it's a big difference..
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:55:00 -
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Yeah, the passive armor recharge was reduced too.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:55:00 -
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If you're not active tanking your CNR or any other navy ship then you're doing it wrong. If you want to afk level 4's, get a passive tanked ship with the right bonuses like the Rattlesnake after December 1st. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.10 12:09:00 -
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Phew, good thing I armor tank
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Hairy RingPiece
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Posted - 2009.10.10 12:19:00 -
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I see what you did with that word in the thread title.
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:36:00 -
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If they had a good reason they would have said it by now. People have been complaining and asking for a response from ccp for a while in the test server feedback -> navy ship changes thread for a while.
And if you think you can afk 4's with a passive CNR your a little light on brain power. I didn't know that the CNR had a **** drone bonus or fires automatically. Also, if you would like to finish a mission this century you still need to pull off relays to fit 1 or 2 bcu's meaning the ship cannot survive some of the more difficult 4's without firing back and eliminating dps quickly.
Youre welcome to fit your CNR passive and leave it afk in blockade or worlds collide...thats cool with me...and the ninjas that would be salvaging your wreck and laughing. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
IntegralHellsing
Gallente Anvil Inc. Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:40:00 -
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you just want a passive tanked CNR for your mission --------------------------------------
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: IntegralHellsing you just want a passive tanked CNR for your mission
ive been using my t2 purger rig fit cnr in missions for a year and a half and its been lovely. However, it seems its the CNR's turn for the nerf bat this time around and that era will be coming to a close. All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
While the recharge time has been increased from 2500 -> 3390 on all navy bs the only ship being affected by this in a serious way is the CNR. While its true you COULD passive the navy thron and get a better shield tank then the CNR its not practical as the thron needs cap to fire.
While i dont run missions much anymore and i wouldnt take that fit any place else for any other reason my main problem is that there is no reason to remove the CNR's option to fit that way. We dont need more cookie cutter fits.
I asked ccp to please just post the fit they have intended for the CNR so I can just do that in the future, or with any other ship for that matter, and not get screwed on the next rotation of nerfing.
If ccp felt the recharge time should have been 3390 then they should have thought so years ago when the ship was introduced. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:01:00 -
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Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself.
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Dust Irae
Minmatar Uusasai Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale
All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
You made good use of those rigs for a long time; it's not like they were wasted.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:03:00 -
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They nerfed the recharge rate so that the navy ships won't get a higher base passive tank than normal ones. Understandable so far.
Only issue I see is that with that they further nerfed actual passive tanking on the navy ships as shield extenders won't have the same impact on the navy ships as on normal ones.
I say, they should boost shield recharge rate on ships where a passive tank is feasible to balance out this reduced effect so those ships can be passive tanked again properly. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself.
ill get over it when they act like a responsible company and provide a product that is complete at time of delivery...
besides they unfit rigs for people before when they made crazy changes and they provided reasons for doing such.
the fact that you willingly accept perpetual nerfing says loads about your intelligence.
next time you want to insult me try not hitting me with your purse. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
ArtieLange
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:14:00 -
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...as if im the only person in all of eve that cared enough to fit my ship that way. Either way you look at it the change is without merit
If its been fine for all this time and the change will affect no one then there is no reason to wast dev cycles on it.
If the change is so needed because the cnr fit that way is omg wtf overpowered then it took them years to figure this out?
Just because i have ~18 months of use out of it doesnt make it cool to nerf it for the other guy who just saved and put his t2 rigs on only to find out a week later he has a 1.5b paper tiger. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale
If the change is so needed because the cnr fit that way is omg wtf overpowered then it took them years to figure this out?
I don;t think the allies knew that the treaty of versaille would lead to the tension of germany leading up to a trigger of WW2?
When you balance you have to research. Research if you've ever done it at any serious level takes a long time, you cannot base theories off 5 minutes on wikipedia. ------------------------------------- Don't click the links or even the forum topics. |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale whine
It would have been smarter to fit T2 missile range rigs and use your CNR with torps. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins.
So then you would need to come up with good examples of how people were negatively affected in any way by the way the way the cnr is now. Its easy to try and use real world examples to justify a point related to a internet spaceship game but its unfortunate that they dont really translate and are aparently against tos...as ive had my posts citing them before removed by navigator. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins.
Proof that you're not very bright. You can get 75km with javelins if you have full missile support skills(which you should be getting if you don't have already), a +5% missile velocity implant, and use T2 hydraulic bay thrusters and 2 x T1 Rocket fuel Cache partitions. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Lucian Lemuel
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale
Originally by: Akor Flandres
Quote: All i ask is that ccp unfit my rigs and simply say why they have chosen to nerf it.
Shut up you girl. Things get nerfed, deal with it. It's served you fine for 18 months you say, you got your moneys worth. Get over yourself.
ill get over it when they act like a responsible company and provide a product that is complete at time of delivery...
besides they unfit rigs for people before when they made crazy changes and they provided reasons for doing such.
the fact that you willingly accept perpetual nerfing says loads about your intelligence.
next time you want to insult me try not hitting me with your purse.
Mmos are by their very nature never finished. They are supposed to change
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Gunnanmon
Gallente Imperial Syndicate Forces The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: AccesiViale ...as ive had my posts citing them before removed by navigator.
Please do not comment on the censorship exercised by Navigator.
ty. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: AccesiViale Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 14:25:58 I'm pretty sure you know that they don't really stack right and i wont see range much beyond 50k with javelins.
Proof that you're not very bright. You can get 75km with javelins if you have full missile support skills(which you should be getting if you don't have already), a +5% missile velocity implant, and use T2 hydraulic bay thrusters and 2 x T1 Rocket fuel Cache partitions.
Cool, your right now that ive checked. Care to rewind time 18months and tell me that so i can use diff rigs because a year or so from now the way ive chosen to tank will be invalid.
You have to admit that 18 months ago running the numbers would show a good tank and dps balance with the fit ive chosen and 45k has been working out fine for me.
When i get my rigs unfit ill probably follow your advice because its really the only next choice. That or ccc since ill have to active.
Really i learned my lesson with ccp's speed and missle changes and im fully specced for abbadon now... Guess im an ass for trying to help the op/agreeing w/ em. cheers The sky was blue but there was no god. |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:41:00 -
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Switch to a Golem.
Next topic.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cors Switch to a Golem.
Next topic.
Also considering the price that a CNR will fetch these days and the Dominion changes to the components needed for T2 ships will make their prices drop fast.
/thread -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: Cors Switch to a Golem.
Next topic.
Also considering the price that a CNR will fetch these days and the Dominion changes to the components needed for T2 ships will make their prices drop fast.
/thread
lol clearly missing the point that this could not possibly have been considered 1.5-2 years ago when buying t2 rigs (in my case anyway). But from the looks of it I and the op are the only ones who actually own a cnr fit this way.
This has been a sweet drunken convo but ill conceed my argument as it appears ive been bested. I totally should have known that my ship stats would have been changed, the golem would exist, and t2 prices would be coming down years after constructing one of my ships. What i didnt know is that i apparently feel more strongly about this then the op...and that it seems i litterally am the only one who cared. Space is cold and lonely :)
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.10.10 15:26:00 -
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passive tanking needs a nerf anyways. (delete it, imo) ♥
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 15:35:00 -
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Finished product? CCP has been balancing and rebalancing the game for years. It's what keeps the game fresh, forcing players to change their tactics, discard old and outdated ones in favour of newer ones. They nerf some ships and modules periodically and buff some of them periodically. Why would you want to play a stale game that never evolves? WOuldn't it be better to just buy a single player game and never patch it? That way you'll end up having a 'finished product' which will never change.
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AccesiViale
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: AccesiViale on 10/10/2009 16:08:24 actual change would be adding something new that changes mechanics making me adapt...remaking something thats already done is what is stale
call me crazy but expansions should be expansions...not "we changed a couple of numbers on something we have already done before...enjoy"
sov changes will make people adapt in a positive new way. fixing turrets so they can now hit things that are at 0 (still subject to tracking) is a good fix. This ship change wont bring anything positive and fixes nothing. The sky was blue but there was no god. |
Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:36:00 -
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Critique my passive-tanked Navy Apoc fit please:
Quote: [Apocalypse Navy Issue, passive tank?] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Vespa II x5
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Critique my passive-tanked Navy Apoc fit please:
Needs more Estamel. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Grarr Bexx
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:52:00 -
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The tears in this thread are delicious.
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