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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.11 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Logit Probit The fact is that anyone who I or my mates have ever destroyed has deserved to lose their ship.
Everyone from Charles Manson to Jack the Ripper convinced themselves their victims deserved it too. The ability for some people to rationalize like that allows them to do terrible things and not see themselves for what they are.
Um...
IT'S A VIDEO GAME
Not denying I'm mean in the game though.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.11 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Logit Probit
Um...
IT'S A VIDEO GAME
Not denying I'm mean in the game though.
Why would you decide to be 'mean' in a game though? Is it safe to assume you'd act that way in real life if you could get away with it as easily, and have these desires and urges in everyday life, but hold them back and wear a mask simply because you fear your true self being revealed?
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Discrodia
Gallente Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.10.11 18:17:00 -
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Yea no.... ________________________________________________ HELP! CCP HAS NERFED MY SIG! ALSO CAPLOCKS IS FUN! While we're at it I need to bake muffins ^_^ |
Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Logit Probit
Um...
IT'S A VIDEO GAME
Not denying I'm mean in the game though.
Why would you decide to be 'mean' in a game though? Is it safe to assume you'd act that way in real life if you could get away with it as easily, and have these desires and urges in everyday life, but hold them back and wear a mask simply because you fear your true self being revealed?
1. The NPC bad guys in this game aren't particularly convincing. If the sandbox is to function in any interesting way, somebody has to play the role of the antagonist.
2. The barrier to entry for being a baddie in Eve in terms of moral turpitude really isn't that high. Should one also feel bad about beating somebody at chess?
3. All that said though, from having read many of Logit's posts here and used those to take some (admittedly internet-distorted; this forum in particular brings out the worst in people) measure of his personality, I'm prepared to allow that the guy behind the toon may well actually be a jerk of some description or another.
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Witcher
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Posted - 2009.10.11 19:05:00 -
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you get my vote
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.10.11 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Expert Troll I was trying to find a word to describe it, so I looked in the dictionary, found your picture under hypocrite.
I suggest that you get a dictionary that doesn't have pictures in it. Something a trifle more advanced than "A is for Apple".
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.10.11 19:37:00 -
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land lady is his mom and logit proctal lives in the basement
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ZCorp
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.10.11 20:34:00 -
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I like your manifesto. You have my vote!
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.12 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Vote Logit! He may be a hypocrite, but he's probably not an idiot. Which is probably the exact opposite of some of the other candidates I've seen.
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Durbin Watson
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Posted - 2009.10.12 15:18:00 -
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Similar things have happened in many other decent games to what is described in the OP, tbh. Ultima Online for example
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Hamshoe
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Logit Probit As far as exposing myself to retaliatory war decs, I've been there and done that, and it while it's all good and fun, it prevents us from doing what we like to do in-game.
[SNIP]
Originally by: Logit Probit I'd like to keep EvE fun for everyone, not just myself.
I'm gonna call shennanigans on you right here. You're utterly FoS. Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse? |
Isurus Paucus
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.10.12 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kawea I remember reading about some other researcher, who actually went as far as creating a paper based on his jerky and griefing behavior in an online game (City of Heroes or whatever that game was).
It appears to me, that some of these social sciences 'researchers' take great interest in acting in the most disruptive way they can come up with, in the name of their 'research'.
I guess that is just as good an excuse to being a jerk as any other.
Actually, if you read the study that came out of that particular incident (guy's name is David Myers), it is quite fascinating. The idea was to examine how digital cultures in online games developed moral codes that were actually contrary to developer intent and establish whether they were valid as something of a test lab for sociologists. In that particular case, it wasn't particularly that Twixt was a bastard (which he was), but rather that CoH's players had developed a code of ethics around PvP that were not by design and would be considered completely ridiculous in other games (The standard Eve player would laugh in your face if you complained about half the stuff he did). In essence, he simply used the game engine as designed and was nearly unstoppable as the social boundary in-game was such that no one on the other side of it stood a chance.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.12 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Isurus Paucus (The standard Eve player would laugh in your face if you complained about half the stuff he did). In essence, he simply used the game engine as designed and was nearly unstoppable as the social boundary in-game was such that no one on the other side of it stood a chance.
Yes. I have an idea - You shoot me in lowsec. You gain GCC. I teleport you to highsec. I win.
That is exactly what he did. Lamest excuse for a pvper ever. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Isurus Paucus
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.10.12 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Isurus Paucus on 12/10/2009 19:16:59 Edited by: Isurus Paucus on 12/10/2009 19:14:15
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Yes. I have an idea - You shoot me in lowsec. You gain GCC. I teleport you to highsec. I win.
That is exactly what he did. Lamest excuse for a pvper ever.
Note I said "half." While that particular tactic wasn't exactly high skill, it was permitted by game mechanic. A better example of why he was hated would be more akin to you ratting in 0.0, me jumping in and killing you without so much as a hello, and you complaining that I was somehow outside of acceptable behavior. As I understand it, CoH had developed a gentleman's code for the PvP area that actually made PvP unacceptable without both parties agreeing to it. Myers made waves by ignoring that particular bit of the code and sticking to the developers' stated reason for the area's existence.
*edit* While I think the OP is a bit of a bastard online (and I personally think that how you conduct yourself online says a lot about you in RL, at least on some level), he at least puts forward a coherent argument, which is more than can be said of others. If his qualifications aren't bull****, he's probably the kind of person that SHOULD be involved in examining game mechanics changes.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.12 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Isurus Paucus Edited by: Isurus Paucus on 12/10/2009 19:14:15
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Yes. I have an idea - You shoot me in lowsec. You gain GCC. I teleport you to highsec. I win.
That is exactly what he did. Lamest excuse for a pvper ever.
Note I said "half." While that particular tactic wasn't exactly high skill, it was permitted by game mechanic. A better example of why he was hated would be more akin to you ratting in 0.0, me jumping in and killing you without so much as a hello, and you complaining that I was somehow outside of acceptable behavior. As I understand it, CoH had developed a gentleman's code for the PvP area that actually made PvP unacceptable without both parties agreeing to it. Myers made waves by ignoring that particular bit of the code and sticking to the developers' stated reason for the area's existence.
THE GUY DIDNT PVP. He teleported people into CoH's version of concord. It would be more akin to someone with a -10 sec status getting thrown into a 1.0 system.. but even that isnt a fair comparison. It would be like throwing someone with GCC into highsec.. OHWAIT. I just ****ing used that analogy. Because its right.
I read the article, and it basically is him being a troll. Sure, game mechanics allow it.. but thats because nobody abused it like he did. If more people did that, than you can surely bet that it wouldnt be a game mechanic anymore. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Isurus Paucus
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.10.12 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
THE GUY DIDNT PVP. He teleported people into CoH's version of concord. It would be more akin to someone with a -10 sec status getting thrown into a 1.0 system.. but even that isnt a fair comparison. It would be like throwing someone with GCC into highsec.. OHWAIT. I just ****ing used that analogy. Because its right.
I read the article, and it basically is him being a troll. Sure, game mechanics allow it.. but thats because nobody abused it like he did. If more people did that, than you can surely bet that it wouldnt be a game mechanic anymore.
Screw the article. It's trash. Read the study itself. http://www.masscomm.loyno.edu/~dmyers/F99%20classes/Myers_PlayPunishment_031508.doc. He DID PvP quite a bit. Droning was only one of the things he did.
Anyway, my point wasn't to argue over whether or not Myer could PvP, but rather to state that online games are great places for sociological research because it's less damaging to disrupt the social structure than say, finding some isolated tribe and getting them all addicted to ****** for study purposes.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.12 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Isurus Paucus
Originally by: Lance Fighter
THE GUY DIDNT PVP. He teleported people into CoH's version of concord. It would be more akin to someone with a -10 sec status getting thrown into a 1.0 system.. but even that isnt a fair comparison. It would be like throwing someone with GCC into highsec.. OHWAIT. I just ****ing used that analogy. Because its right.
I read the article, and it basically is him being a troll. Sure, game mechanics allow it.. but thats because nobody abused it like he did. If more people did that, than you can surely bet that it wouldnt be a game mechanic anymore.
Screw the article. It's trash. Read the study itself. http://www.masscomm.loyno.edu/~dmyers/F99%20classes/Myers_PlayPunishment_031508.doc. He DID PvP quite a bit. Droning was only one of the things he did.
Anyway, my point wasn't to argue over whether or not Myer could PvP, but rather to state that online games are great places for sociological research because it's less damaging to disrupt the social structure than say, finding some isolated tribe and getting them all addicted to ****** for study purposes.
Miscommunication here. In the world of intellect, what you just linked is called an 'article'. In the world of the common man, the crappy news stories on websites are often called 'article's as well.
Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.12 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 20:22:42
Originally by: Manu Hermanus You don't have my vote
Yeah. He is doing an Appeal to Authority fallacy by appealing to his personal position as a PHD nice guy (I suppose that is the opposite of an ad hominem attack).
Yeah ninja salvaging might be a nasty thing to do, but I don't give a damn if you're a PHD, Nobel Prize winner, or a homeless drug addict with an internet connection who sells the organs of newborne puppies to pay for his GTC...
I just don't like people who claim to be better than other people because most of the time on the internet... Its a LIE.
Either way the OP makes me want to go Ninja Salvaging after reading that wall.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.12 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar I don't give a damn if you're a Nobel Prize winner
confirming this. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 20:22:42
Originally by: Manu Hermanus You don't have my vote
Yeah. He is doing an Appeal to Authority fallacy by appealing to his personal position as a PHD nice guy (I suppose that is the opposite of an ad hominem attack).
Yeah ninja salvaging might be a nasty thing to do, but I don't give a damn if you're a PHD, Nobel Prize winner, or a homeless drug addict with an internet connection who sells the organs of newborne puppies to pay for his GTC...
I just don't like people who claim to be better than other people because most of the time on the internet... Its a LIE.
Either way the OP makes me want to go Ninja Salvaging after reading that wall.
The "Appeal to Authority" fallacy is when someone claims that they are correct in an argument because they are an authority.
I just indicated that as someone who researches behavior, EvE Online holds a lot of appeal for me. I also suggested that I would have something constructive to add to the CSM; experience modeling behavior systems. AT NO TIME did I announce I was right about some argument simply because I am in graduate school.
I presented so many pieces of evidence regarding my in-game activities that could be used to argue that I am a bad guy. Great job not using any of those in your crappy argument.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Logit Probit
Originally by: Captain Tardbar Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 20:22:42
Originally by: Manu Hermanus You don't have my vote
Yeah. He is doing an Appeal to Authority fallacy by appealing to his personal position as a PHD nice guy (I suppose that is the opposite of an ad hominem attack).
Yeah ninja salvaging might be a nasty thing to do, but I don't give a damn if you're a PHD, Nobel Prize winner, or a homeless drug addict with an internet connection who sells the organs of newborne puppies to pay for his GTC...
I just don't like people who claim to be better than other people because most of the time on the internet... Its a LIE.
Either way the OP makes me want to go Ninja Salvaging after reading that wall.
The "Appeal to Authority" fallacy is when someone claims that they are correct in an argument because they are an authority.
I just indicated that as someone who researches behavior, EvE Online holds a lot of appeal for me. I also suggested that I would have something constructive to add to the CSM; experience modeling behavior systems. AT NO TIME did I announce I was right about some argument simply because I am in graduate school.
I presented so many pieces of evidence regarding my in-game activities that could be used to argue that I am a bad guy. Great job not using any of those in your crappy argument.
Then why bring it up? As you have something to prove your character. I know plenty of people who are saints and good guys in real life but do pretty mean things in online games.
And I know anti-social people who don't talk or lift a finger who are saints online so it cuts both ways.
That doesn't make them bad people because no one calls a quarter back who tackles someone extra rough a bad person. Its part of the game.
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Originally by: Logit Probit
Originally by: Captain Tardbar Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 12/10/2009 20:22:42
Originally by: Manu Hermanus You don't have my vote
Yeah. He is doing an Appeal to Authority fallacy by appealing to his personal position as a PHD nice guy (I suppose that is the opposite of an ad hominem attack).
Yeah ninja salvaging might be a nasty thing to do, but I don't give a damn if you're a PHD, Nobel Prize winner, or a homeless drug addict with an internet connection who sells the organs of newborne puppies to pay for his GTC...
I just don't like people who claim to be better than other people because most of the time on the internet... Its a LIE.
Either way the OP makes me want to go Ninja Salvaging after reading that wall.
The "Appeal to Authority" fallacy is when someone claims that they are correct in an argument because they are an authority.
I just indicated that as someone who researches behavior, EvE Online holds a lot of appeal for me. I also suggested that I would have something constructive to add to the CSM; experience modeling behavior systems. AT NO TIME did I announce I was right about some argument simply because I am in graduate school.
I presented so many pieces of evidence regarding my in-game activities that could be used to argue that I am a bad guy. Great job not using any of those in your crappy argument.
Then why bring it up? As you have something to prove your character. I know plenty of people who are saints and good guys in real life but do pretty mean things in online games.
And I know anti-social people who don't talk or lift a finger who are saints online so it cuts both ways.
That doesn't make them bad people because no one calls a quarter back who tackles someone extra rough a bad person. Its part of the game.
You've lost me, but thanks for playing
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar I don't give a damn if you're a PHD, Nobel Prize winner, or a homeless drug addict with an internet connection who sells the organs of newborne puppies to pay for his GTC...
I just don't like people who claim to be better than other people because most of the time on the internet... Its a LIE.
When CCP posts all the real names of the candidates next month, a simple search on my name will bring up my research blog, if you wish to be bored senseless.
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.10.13 15:09:00 -
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I'm not sure what voice of the people you are intending to represent, but your only intention with your fail post in C+P was to keep your macrogame (griefing multibillion pve fits easily) from getting nerfed.
Also, get new ss dude.
I have a more effective strategy: Vote Lady Spank for CSM or 1000 puppies will meet with an unfortunate 'accident' irl (ingame) ----
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.13 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Logit Probit my research blog
Ooh. Perhaps if I like it I'll sell you my vote for... well... make me an offer!
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.13 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Logit Probit my research blog
Ooh. Perhaps if I like it I'll sell you my vote for... well... make me an offer!
Actually... If someone sends 10 million ISK my way I'll be more agreeable to their credentials.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.13 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/10/2009 16:45:01 Well, thanks to Logit Probit's efforts, at least one person emoraged in the Scope so much he went on to immediately prove that not only he is a clueless newbie (2008 or so player, so take "newbie" as "hopeless noob", not as "new player") with a attitude problem, but wishes to remain a clueless newbie with a attitude problem.
A short excerpt from chat: "Don't shoot ninja looters, they're just trying to get you to aggro them so they can kill your ship" "but he was stealing my loot" "Look, it's done to gank people, if you shoot ninja looters they will gank you" "but he was stealing my loot" "If you shoot you will not only lose your loot but your ship" "but he was stealing my loot" "..." "my loot" Epic.
For that, he gets my vote.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente Imperial Syndicate Forces The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:34:00 -
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ffs Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:43:00 -
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npc corp, doesn't honor ransoms?
riiiiiight. Like anyone wants to vote for you.
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.13 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bongo Debbie I'm not sure what voice of the people you are intending to represent, but your only intention with your fail post in C+P was to keep your macrogame (griefing multibillion pve fits easily) from getting nerfed.
Also, get new ss dude.
I have a more effective strategy: Vote Lady Spank for CSM or 1000 puppies will meet with an unfortunate 'accident' irl (ingame)
You're on to me.
Also, I have many, many screenshots, but I'm saving them for the next phase of my campaign; "Send Logit to Iceland, Angry Mission Runners; You've Earned It".
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto npc corp, doesn't honor ransoms?
riiiiiight. Like anyone wants to vote for you.
The nice thing about EvE is that I don't have to care about your norms, because there are plenty of others to choose from. I'd prefer to keep EvE that way.
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