Epic Arcs seed money into the game by it's rewards.
Epic Arcs seed items into the game by it's rewards.

Epic Arcs can be done every 3 months by a player.

So basically it will give another ISK appearing thing in EVE, making inflation even higher.
Anything you add or remove to a game, changes it. Unless it's a window of text only.

* Make Aura a hologram (heck if they can bring 2pac back as a hologram you can do that too)
* When you load your first screen, Aura spawns in the room and approaches you and talk in a way 2 human beeings would talk to each other. It should not feel like someone is reading from a piece of paper...
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* She talks in a normal speed and feeds you with the most basic informations so that you not confuse the harsh world of eve with world of warcraft.
* Than she has to EXPLAIN the GUI and give you a fast short overview. MOST important part of game in the first 2 minutes. It is the connection between the player and EVE. Since we are in the captainsquarters she could use the big screen to explain the GUI. Not force you to read wall of text or only talk to you. but SHOW you. The big tv shows your GUI that you actualy see on your monitor. And since we love magic, we introduce 3 BUTTONS. Pause, Repeat last XX and show me text. Who knows, some ppl play without audio or are deaf.
* While she keeps on talking you hover over GUI elements and walk around your captainsquarter. So you get audio, video, text and power to press Next, Previous whenever you wish.
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* Now important: When you leave the station, there should be always Auras Head/Avatar in a window floating somewhere. Since she is a hologram it should not be that crazy to project her image somewhere on your screen. While she is giving you orders, so you learn the basic stuff in space, she is loaded with a FAQ which suits the actual task you are doing. If a task should. lets just pick here 8 seconds, and you are not yet done, Aura should approach you and ask whats the fraking problem. Thats called preemptive help. i just came up with it. But we do not want to spam a smart new player with a bunch of hints and advices, which he would not need in the few first seconds, so we have to wait a amount of time. Give the new player the freedom to think on his own, but do not let him feel as if he has lost control of what is happening.

* While you are flying/warping from A to B to do some who cares... Aura has 150 seconds to present you a nice CCP PROPAGANDA overview (trailer) what your possibilities in EVE are. You get audio, video, pictures BUT NO **** TEXT.
* You arrive at point B and BOOOM here come your careeragents into play. You saw the propagande just few moments ago, you maybe have a clue what might intereset you and you pick your first mission from that agent.
* Aura hologram is gone, the new agent hologram comes.

The tutorial has to be fluid without a bunch of lame ass text in a ugly windows.

And i do not see what false hopes a good interactive tutorial would raise with new players that EVE could not provide later.

A quick note; last night I completed all the Eva tutorial missions and ran a couple of the early agent missions (combat ones) that Eva points you towards. Suffice to say I am very early in the game. I think the biggest adivce is to go in with an open mind. I pick up most MMOs these days in one day of play because they share common gameplay elements; Eve I am still clueless as to much of everything. But I go back to my first MMO days, and even though some of the early MMOs I played were standard operating procedure in terms of how they played; at the time, they seemed entirely new to me. I can recall running around in Guild Wars, for instance, as a healing monk using a bow, simply because it had more damage than my staff. Ouch.

I found the tutorial so far to be largely sufficient for my needs. Given the enormity of Eve, I don't think the tutorial can come close to covering everything without being 100 hours long, and that would definitely get boring. I feel like I have at least learned how to pilot my ship from one point to another, use the inventory and skills system, and other basic gameplay elements that are required.

If I may make a few suggestions for the tutorial, it would be to make sure that the tutorial is absolutely clear on what to click and when, particularly given how many icons the UI throws at you right from the get-go. In that regard, I find that the voice over from Eva being different from the text boxes can be a bit disconcerting, as I often felt that one or the other didn't go as in-depth as, well, the other. Secondly, I wouldn't mind seeing more flashes/arrows/etc. indicating what menu or box to push. The tutorial does this easily enough for, say, "Character Screen" or "Inventory Screen" but then once inside a window it often neglects to highlight which tab or subgroup to choose, if it's a multistep process. I spent a few pauses on occasion trying to figure out exactly where an item I had to pick up and move to my ship was located in a dock, or if I was in the right window in my character screen.

The biggest hurdles to this game or more... adjustment based. I have read time and time again to just "go out there" on my rookie or early ships because the cost of losing it is comparatively small, and learning combat is more important than learning the skills for combat. But to make that leap is so hard because it is daunting and new. Do I pick a fight? Do I watch one? Once I lose will that person stalk me for the rest of my Eve days? Etc. Taking the first leap is hard. I guess in that way, I wish the tutorial might suggest ways to do that, or encourage some early group combat of sorts. Or even just tell a new player a few things to expect and that early combat isn't a bad choice (if true). For those not looking for combat, perhaps give them a nudge towards how to start a trading career or some such. What you might look for. Obviously, the community wants this to be a sandbox, non hand-holding game, so I wouldn't suggest that the tutorial really "helps" you to get or do something, but at least tellls you how to get to that point or what to expect. Once you do get there, well, the rest is up to you.

If many people find the tutorial too slow and boring to sit through, then the tutorial is too slow and boring. That's a fact.

My experience in short with the trial thus far is that the game looks great but missions are dull and repetitive. Mining is boring but the game economy is interesting. There is definitely a steep learning curve but I was expecting this. Competitive player versus player combat could be more accessible early on by lowering the importance of building skills for months and years.

My main gripe is really the last part, which would not be terribly bad if during the build-up to being competitive in player versus player there were more things to do in the game for us player versus player oriented individuals. That is other than grind flavorless missions or mine lifeless rock in high security space. Really, as I did these things, the thought often occurred to me, I might as well just log in a few minutes a day and set my skills to level for a few months before I actually started 'playing'. But realistically, I cannot do that, I need to play the game to learn how to build a character, navigate the user interface and learn how to maximize my combat efforts. I get the feeling the first months are going to feel more like a job than anything else.

My thoughts on what might alleviate some of these things, you could in the starter military stations for each race, have a 'noob on noob' room/area with structured/consensual player versus player combat. Concord would not get involved unless there was pod-killing after the fight. Noobs could construct fleets of noobs and engage in group combat early on (which appears to be one of the best features of Eve).

It would need a skill point cap where exceeding a certain number disallows admittance to the area and ship restrictions, limiting it to just the cheapest early frigates and or just the rookie ships. It would be explained lore/immersion wise in the game as a mock-pick-up fight simulator to prepare combat capsuleers by sparring and honing their skills for future engagements.

I will at this point be fully subscribing and plan on giving a good shot at over-coming the 'cliff' learning curve and giving you old-timers a hard time in space.

See you on the battlefield (eventually).

I started playing about a week and a half ago. I like the game a lot and I thought the tutorials were easy enough to understand.

When I first entered the captain's quarters (or whatever you call it) I thought it was cool that I could walk around and sit on the couch and stuff. You walk way too slow though and there really isn't any point to walk around that place at all.
The game looked cool, space and everything looked really nice.
I had no idea what any of the windows or menus did. I just followed the tutorial as close as I could to get my ship.
Warping for the first time was AWESOME.
Aura should walk you through EVERY little step and I think she should have a voiceover for everything. It would help to hear the tutorial instead of read through everything.
I looked at the map and was amazed at how huge New Eden was. It was disappointing when I found out you can't do anything with all those planets though. I knew about planetary interaction but I wish there was something more.
I destroyed that fuel depot and the explosion was nice. I thought it was going to be more realistic but it was still cool to watch.
When I started the career agent missions, I was surprised to see that there were no voiceovers. I thought that a game that has been around for years would have voiceovers for at least the tutorial missions.
There were less ships in the game for each race than I though but there were still a lot.
More interesting quests would be nice?
My corp became The Scope a couple days ago. Not sure how THAT happened.

Most people say the tutorials are boring and hard to understand, I think they were kind of boring but I was excited for what was going to come next and I didn't think it was that hard to follow. Overall, I am liking the game a lot, even mining and exploration which a lot of people are calling "boring".

While this thread gives great feedback please make sure to keep the feedback coming and not to bump the topic just to keep it towards the top.

I've introduced a lot of people to EVE, and the ones who quit did so because the game violated their expectations in some way. Not "this game wasn't what I thought it'd be" but more "I assumed something based on a previous scenario, and the information didn't apply to this new scenario."

For example, the mission where you take damage from that cloud thing (I forget the specifics) was confusing to a few people. In their minds, the game had established that damage to your ship always came from some kind of action, whether it's you blowing up the container in the beginning, or another ship shooting you. They expected that when they took damage, there would be some kind of visual indicator, a shot / explosion / etc. The death cloud does neither. All you get is a little message and your shields mysteriously dropping.

None of them died from it, but it left them with a feeling that they were doing something wrong when they weren't, and discouraged them from playing again.

If that's true then there isn't much hope for such people.

I don't see how anyone could think that the game has already "established that damage to your ship always came from some kind of action, whether it's you blowing up the container in the beginning, or another ship shooting you" when they are still in the tutorials and still being taught further aspects of the game.

Or how they could think that they've done something wrong when the mission instructions clearly state what is about to happen.

So why do you respond if you have no clue what i am talking about?

It seems to me that some people here in the forums just love complaining about the complains of other players. And by the way i am not complaining about any core elements of the game. I just complain about the first hour of EVE and what i have been presented. ownd.

Just as something to let all of you know. If you haven't checked it out there are a lot of changes on the test server Sisi with the tutorials and they look good. Might wanna check them out so you can give more feedback.

If you don't know how to get onto Sisi

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity

Just got done with a test Minmatar character. Wow. "This is an enemy ship (not as good as yours)" was pretty awesome.

All feedback I have is extremely nitpicky. Not fixing these won't end the world, but here you go:

* Not that it matters for a civilian module, but the tutorial never told me to turn the shield booster off. In fact, I don't think cap management is ever mentioned.

* Under "12. The Next Mission", the popup pointing at the Agent Missions menu had no text. Speaking of which, is there a way to remove the menu entirely? (Not the "hide" button)

* Under "15. Basic Combat", you're instructed to right-click a target that's out of targeting range, a concept that's not explained. Obviously, the option to lock doesn't appear, but because of instant aggro and "target back" (again, not something that's explained) you end up with a lock without actually following instructions. For the sake of consistency, I would argue it's now time to have "target back" default to zero.

* (Opposite scenario) Under the same section, the weapon button is highlighted with a popup, and rightly so. In my opinion, the feature where you click the weapon module and then lock needs to go. It's not how the tutorial describes the process of locking and firing. I've only ever seen new people get tripped up by it, and I could see this section being confusing if the weapon is clicked before a lock is acquired (again, the button highlight grabs more attention than the tutorial window, especially with a hostile bearing down on you). I don't think it's widely used anyway, if YouTube is to be believed.

These minor issues aside, I just want to say well done. This is by far the best tutorial EVE has ever had.

You're just like a snobby teenager, enjoy rage quitting when you are lost and no one wants to interact with you due to your **** attitude and unwarranted self importance. Whine more baby boy

I heard that the game is deep and complex, but this tutorial is just complicated and boring. How about that lady starts talking and gives some hints where to press on the screen to open that inventorywindow.... Cant open it... WHERE is it?

All posts, which sound like:
* you just dont get it
* this is eve, not World of Warcraft
* it takes time to have fun and see the beauty of EVE
* eat it or starve

can be treated as spam.
I am talking about the first hour of EVE. Nothing else.


I do not see any complexity in the process of getting from point A (station) to point B (ship) to get into my first ship. The task is trivial, but the way how it is explained and presented is complicated and not appealing. One should not confuse complicated with complex.

And the point is: This is just the first hour with the most trivial tasks to do. And yes, i really wrote down every thought/action that was not clear within the first few moments. I mean, how are really complex tasks and situations going to be explained? Well i saw it 10 minutes later. I did the first few scanningmissions and there i was like: REALLY REALLY, You want me to do the same annoying thing like 4x?? Really??? There were like 5 different anomalies which could be found in the exactly same process, but i had to repeat them....

//snip nice feedback//
These minor issues aside, I just want to say well done. This is by far the best tutorial EVE has ever had.