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Tristan Akbarintak
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:00:00 -
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Would like to know what i'm doing wrong trying to find even a group of noobs to run lvl 3 with and make isk and have a good time while I play all high sec based and hopefully learn from each other, tried the recruitment chanel and nothing what the hell am i doing wrong please let me know.
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RabbidFerret
Bannable Offense. Petition This
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:13:00 -
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Tristan,
I have a bit of experience with recruiting. The recruitment channel is a rudimentary way of recruiting, but spamming is your best option. Try to offer something they want with catch words like "mature, fun, relaxed" etc. Set up a public channel to make yourself seem more organized. Try to have some goals in mind for the future.
The second option is the recruitment forums. Make a nice and organized post that is short and to the point. Images help a lot also.
Your first 10 members are the hardest, but experience helps. Creating a corporation is a time-consuming and large endeavor, make sure that you have the dedication to stick by your corporation or you will do more harm then good.
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Rells
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Akbarintak Would like to know what i'm doing wrong trying to find even a group of noobs to run lvl 3 with and make isk and have a good time while I play all high sec based and hopefully learn from each other, tried the recruitment chanel and nothing what the hell am i doing wrong please let me know.
Running level 3s to make isk is your problem. Oh my god is that boring. If ever there were hell on earth it would be 24/7 mission running in eve.
*shudder*
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Rakor Vin
Gallente Gallente Eagles The Golden Rule Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:19:00 -
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Can you run lvl 4's yet
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Tristan Akbarintak
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:21:00 -
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Not at lvl 4's yet but should be pretty soon not everyone as experienced as you are rell
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Akbarintak Not at lvl 4's yet but should be pretty soon not everyone as experienced as you are rell
Yeah, but SOMEBODY ELSE certainly is. You can't recruit anybody because you have nothing (or next to nothing) to offer... or at least nothing that would be interesting enough for newcomers. So instead of being the one-eyed man trying to lead the blind (relative newbie recruiting complete newbies), why won't you be the one-eyed man being lead by those with 20-20 vision (i.e. try to GET recruited by somebody with significantly more experience).
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 15/10/2009 23:32:49 Turnover rate is a killer, you can never ever stop and hope it'll sort itself at any level. Members will leave, most during their first few months then even veterans will go on hiatus.
Your best bet is to recruit non-stop forever, even if/when you've reached a possible target number and if you're lucky you're able to delegate this to a few members other than yourself.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2009.10.15 23:54:00 -
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First hint: Don't try to recruit Akita or Rells. (But then why would you want to?)
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.16 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tristan Akbarintak Not at lvl 4's yet but should be pretty soon not everyone as experienced as you are rell
Yeah, but SOMEBODY ELSE certainly is. You can't recruit anybody because you have nothing (or next to nothing) to offer... or at least nothing that would be interesting enough for newcomers. So instead of being the one-eyed man trying to lead the blind (relative newbie recruiting complete newbies), why won't you be the one-eyed man being lead by those with 20-20 vision (i.e. try to GET recruited by somebody with significantly more experience).
Pretty much this.
This isn't WOW (forgive me the meme) where you can create a guild and invite some randoms and then never really get anywhere. There are ofcourse enough laidback corps and groups of people but even then; they still have to offer something in the form of corp infrastructure, guidance and leadership. Going "hey I can run lvl 3's, come join my l337 corp" doesn't work, and you should REALLY question the people who actually join because they're either useless, wardec spies or future corp thieves.
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.10.16 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 16/10/2009 06:53:18 One of the bigger problems with Corps in EvE is that you can't trust your fellow Corp members. Corp members can gank new members, and every imaginable means of enslaving, exploiting, and griefing new Corp members is in wide use.
Try combining your basic objective with offering an organization which cannot lead to your members being ripped off by you or each other.
Remember the ganking issue. A new member can't be sure they're not going to lose out until *after* they've gained a net benefit from membership. The *extra* value to them as a player from having being in the Corp for a while must significantly exceed the value of the most expensive ship (plus implants of course) they'll use while in the Corp.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.16 08:58:00 -
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The problem here is that you are attempting to create a new corp. The corp to players in EVE ratio is completely pooped.
Join a pre-existing corp, problem solved!
Have a ncie day.
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Andreas Kallesoee
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.16 09:01:00 -
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Join Celestial Horizon (Ticker CLS) an old estabilshed corp with great people in it.
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Bevil Smyth
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.16 09:41:00 -
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lol seriously some of you, not exactly encouraging a new guy to start making his way (or even to stay) in EVE are you?
All i can say is fair play for trying mate, but if it doesnt work out for you then some of these guys are right, joining an older corp to see how its done is a good start then use that experience to start your own if you like.
Getting to level 4s is a nice way to tempt the newest of the new as they can be very nice for money if you can run them, at least for newer characters.
If it wasnt for the fact I'm currently on hiatus myself I'd offer to lend you a hand while i'm taking a break from 00. ============================ 2003 and still alive! |
Troye
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.16 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bevil Smyth lol seriously some of you, not exactly encouraging a new guy to start making his way (or even to stay) in EVE are you?.
It's actualy good advice though, if he hasnt even been in the agme long enough to surpass level 3 missions then I seriously doubt he'll have enough game experience to start his own corp. We're saving hi time, effort and ISK.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.16 11:46:00 -
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It is going to be difficult as you're competing with other corps that do the same as you and offer a lot more.
Having said that being proactive will get you further, make a corp chat channel for people to hang out in and get to know each other before they join the corp, once people find that channel is where they enjoy hanging out then joining the corp becomes the obvious next step.
Get to know people in local while you mission, find out if anyone else is doing L1-L3s and ask if they want to fleet up with you.
Try a few different agents in a few different systems and ask in those as well.
Realistically right now a corp isn't offering anyone anything other than a friendly chat channel anyway. Post the dominion patch lower taxes will tempt more people out of the NPC corps. There are benefits to having taxes though and you cold suggest they could be used for things like buying skill books to support incoming members.
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The AEther
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.16 12:19:00 -
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The trick is in talking to people. Passive spammage has very low success rate. Imagine yourself being a newbie trying to find a mission running corporation. You join the recruit chat, browse the recruit forums. And what do you see there? Hundreds of different corporations recruiting and all of them want you to read their message and consider them. Recruits are completely swamped with all the different kinds of information and advertisements being thrown at them. So what you need to do is stand out, catch their attention directly by talking with them in private chat. If you are charismatic enough, you'll get people joining up. If you're not, well, sucks to be you recruiting.
Point number two: retainment. After people join you have to make sure that they'd want to stay also. As a leader of corp your will be partially responsible for entertainment of your members. Nobody wants to join some silly old boring corp. So if your corp is boring players are just going to leave it or quit EVE and all your recruitment efforts will go to waste. On the other hand if the corporation is fun, they will start referring their friends, and roommates, and co-workers, and that guy who just quit wow, even their wives and girlfriends to your corporation. Thus recruitment is going to go much easier.
Point number three: this is gonna be like a second job. Do you really want a second job? Consider it carefully. There are many established corporations out there which you can join and have more fun in this game that trying to run your own corp.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.10.16 13:54:00 -
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TBQH, if you can't think of 2 or 3 reliable people you have known for a while that would be willing to join your new startup corp and help you develop it; its really not worth the effort. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Interstellar Stormfront Outcasts Rebellion
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 15/10/2009 23:32:49 Turnover rate is a killer, you can never ever stop and hope it'll sort itself at any level. Members will leave, most during their first few months then even veterans will go on hiatus.
Your best bet is to recruit non-stop forever, even if/when you've reached a possible target number and if you're lucky you're able to delegate this to a few members other than yourself.
This.
Various members of our corp have done their stint at recruiting myself included. It is a job in itself and as soon as you stop recruiting your numbers start falling. Wardecs can also be a real killer for hi-sec corps as your carebear mission runners will flee back to NPC corps in droves.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flitz Farseeker Wardecs can also be a real killer for hi-sec corps as your carebear mission runners will flee back to NPC corps in droves.
They shouldn't have left the NPC corps in the first place then.
A war dec made our corp, we lost a load of cheap ships at first but before the end of the week we'd chased them half way across empire and established a nice efficiency having killed some t2 ships.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.10.16 15:22:00 -
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As others have already pointed out just offering to help with mission running wont be enough to attract people. You need to try and think of your fledgeling corp as a developing product and sell it accordingly. Try to have a vision of where you see it going and develop a style that draws people in.. And then finally you need persistence, EvE really is a slow burning MMO, doing anything worth while in EvE usually takes a bit of time.
So if I were you I might advertise my corp as..
-Empire based.. (many ppl actually look for this) -Noob friendly.. -Mission running (you might want to include something about working up to lvl 5's, they aren't very profitable but they're a fun grp activity and can be exciting if you've never done one before) -Wormhole operations (this might also get some interest and can be quite exciting) -Optional PvP (faction warfare or perhaps bounty hunting ops into low sec) -Mining ops maybe? (can cater for miners and PvPers who don't mind running protection) -Manufacturing -Opportunities for progression (promotion to directorship etc, but be careful with this) -???? -Profit.
All of the above you can do solo, but many people like a group to hang around with and these are the people you want to attract. Even if you're not sure what you are doing try to appear organised, some ppl like to just do there own thing but many will appreciate organised activities. Clear and consistant communication of corp goals and a high level of social interaction is also important. Try to make your corpies and even potential recruits feel special, get to know them a bit, take an interest and ask questions..
Running a successful corp in EvE is no small thing, it takes time and effort, so if you really want it then be prepared and stick with it basically.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.16 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus -Mining ops maybe? (can cater for miners and PvPers who don't mind running protection)
Such a being exists?
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2009.10.16 17:29:00 -
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I'm no expert on corp management but I've picked up on a few things I've seen that recruiters fail to grasp. Firstly, many of the posts here seem to be bent towards people who've played the game a while. While level 3s offer no benefit to anyone who's been playing more than 3 months, there are many new players who would see level 3s as a significant increase in income. Know that these people are your audiance. Focus on them. Realize that these players are new to the game and this game has a high learning curve. Offer them a better income than solo play and useful game information such as how to set up a tank for specfic faction missions, understanding faction standing, the skill training queue, and the different career paths.
Next, it's important to try to recruite in players in your time zone and very close to where you run your 3s. It is extremely annoying to make 15j with all your belongings just to find the corp isn't what the recruiter promised. Recruite locally. I want to emphasize the bit about the time zone. you will lose memebers very fast when they log on and noone is in corp chat.
Next, as many say, be socialble. Get to know them. Don't force them to join the corp. Ask if any newbie wants to run a 3 with you for extra isk. If you get a group of regulars, then ask if they want to join a corp. This frees them of the commitment of a corp but puts the offer on the table if you manage them well.
Finally, as has been previously stated, make it fun. This can be done 2 ways, by chasing your tail (ie: trying to do what they want to do which will probably fail) or option 2, find people who enjoy what you enjoy doing. If people aren't having fun doing what you enjoy, don't get upset about them leaving. Communicate that the goal of the corp is X and if you enjoy X and want to do X with others, join my corp. Dont promise what you can't deliver.
good luck and let us know how it works out for you.
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Tristan Akbarintak
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Posted - 2009.10.16 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Akbarintak on 16/10/2009 21:13:01 Would like to thank you all for your sometimes harsh yet honest response Must say I am now highly motivated and equiped to recruit, any furhter info would be appreciated and feel free to join as I was able to land me an alliance and some 0.0 space just by being friendly and in local chat rather than in recruiting channel.
P.S. look forward to hear what else i can use to get ahead.
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.10.16 21:50:00 -
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Try coming up with something unique that you can offer people. Typically this should be in the form of an interaction. My first corp got started because I would organize frigate swarms to run a lot of missions together. Suddenly Ninjas got started because it traded expertise and formed fleets to do ninja salvaging. Both corps created a chat channel, so people who were involved could stay in touch and generate new interactions later.
I would recommend thinking up some kind of activity first, then worrying about getting people into the corporation later. What can your members do that people can't do alone?
Some suggestions. You could: 1. Do war games or tournaments with T1 frigates every night at 9pm. 2. Form enormous mission gangs to grind standings for one another rapidly. 3. Roam as a pirate wolfpack through wormhole space for days on end (CEO pilots the probing, logistics, and ammo ship so that others can bring fighting ships) 4. Fight highsec wars, complete with infiltration and espionage wings. 5. If you are industrialists, perhaps attempt to create and dominate a new trade hub in lowsec or NPC 0.0.
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Zarch AlDain
Hematite Rose
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Posted - 2009.10.16 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Zarch AlDain on 16/10/2009 22:55:19 Eve Tribune had an article on recruitment a few weeks ago:
http://eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=4_33&page=4
If you go through the following weeks there are a whole set of articles with advice on various aspects of running a corp as well.
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Wolfgang Achari
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Posted - 2009.10.17 00:28:00 -
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Have you tried offering potential members hookers and blow?
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Tristan Akbarintak
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Posted - 2009.10.18 00:47:00 -
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That was my next move.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.18 04:11:00 -
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You're welcome to Rasa, we have a position as town crier open.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tristan Akbarintak
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Posted - 2009.10.18 20:44:00 -
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No thank you if I was going to leave corp I would look for one without the town jerk off.
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2009.10.18 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus As others have already pointed out just offering to help with mission running wont be enough to attract people. You need to try and think of your fledgeling corp as a developing product and sell it accordingly. Try to have a vision of where you see it going and develop a style that draws people in.. And then finally you need persistence, EvE really is a slow burning MMO, doing anything worth while in EvE usually takes a bit of time.
So if I were you I might advertise my corp as..
-Empire based.. (many ppl actually look for this) -Noob friendly.. -Mission running (you might want to include something about working up to lvl 5's, they aren't very profitable but they're a fun grp activity and can be exciting if you've never done one before) -Wormhole operations (this might also get some interest and can be quite exciting) -Optional PvP (faction warfare or perhaps bounty hunting ops into low sec) -Mining ops maybe? (can cater for miners and PvPers who don't mind running protection) -Manufacturing -Opportunities for progression (promotion to directorship etc, but be careful with this) -???? -Profit.
All of the above you can do solo, but many people like a group to hang around with and these are the people you want to attract. Even if you're not sure what you are doing try to appear organised, some ppl like to just do there own thing but many will appreciate organised activities. Clear and consistant communication of corp goals and a high level of social interaction is also important. Try to make your corpies and even potential recruits feel special, get to know them a bit, take an interest and ask questions..
Running a successful corp in EvE is no small thing, it takes time and effort, so if you really want it then be prepared and stick with it basically.
Add in ;
- Timezone - Country - Language
As this too can help. I dont fly with a corp thats in a different time zone that I dont understand and have nothing in common. So thats another area to check into.
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