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Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.10 23:59:00 -
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So I'm fairly new to this game, under a month of playing.
After doing the different kind of upstart money making activities I started wondering.
Where does the ISK/money enter the economic system?
The only way i know is by missions and bounty. But is this really enough to even out the losses contributed by shiploss, tax, cloning, and etc? Also there seems to be alot of money floating around in game aka rich players, their wealth also have to come from somewhere (And "playing the market" is not the answer I'm looking for).
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Headerman1
The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:02:00 -
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Isk is entered through one of several ports: - Mission rewards - Bounties - NPC buy orders - Insurance payouts
and a few others.
Isk is trained by more than several ways as well: - Insurance purchases - tax - NPC sell orders
and many others |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:03:00 -
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Brannigan's law is like Brannigan's love: hard and fast. Space. It seems to go on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Zoe Athame
Fweddit
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:04:00 -
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1st. Ship-loss does not take ISK out of the system. 2nd. Rich players take money from other players. 3rd. If you're looking for a get rich quick plan, nobody will give you one.
As for where money comes from. Akita T posted this in another thread recently.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:13:00 -
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Standard copypasta:
Faucets:- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:15:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:1st. Ship-loss does not take ISK out of the system. 2nd. Rich players take money from other players. 3rd. If you're looking for a get rich quick plan, nobody will give you one. As for where money comes from. Akita T posted this in another thread recently. Also, I really hope you're not an old character because CCP doesn't do name-changes.
Thanks for the statistics, that was what I was sort of looking for. No I'm not looking for advice to get rich, just interested in the economics of EVE. Also thanks to Headerman for his answer.
Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture? |
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:17:00 -
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Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy? |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:20:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?
The person you paid isk to for the ship still has the isk whether or not your ship explodes. Just because you no longer have the isk in your pocket after you bought the ship doesnt mean the isk isn't still in the Eve economy.
That is the isk movement vs isk creation that another poster touched on.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:24:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?
The person you paid isk to for the ship still has the isk whether or not your ship explodes. Just because you no longer have the isk in your pocket after you bought the ship doesnt mean the isk isn't still in the Eve economy. That is the isk movement vs isk creation that another poster touched on.
Ah okay I think I got it now. Thanks. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:25:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture? You're not seeing the big picture.
Where does the money go when you buy something? Well, who sold you the thing? For 99% of the stuff you get, it's another player. This means the other player has the money now (minus taxes). The money is still in the economy GÇö it just changed hands.
Hell, if you just look at the small scale, it's even easier than that: what happens when you lose you ship? Nothing. You don't lose a cent. The money doesn't disappear from your wallet when you lose the ship GÇö it disappears when you buy it. So even if you were to somehow get the ship from an NPC (which is normally the first sign of something being an ISK sink), the actual destruction wouldn't be a sink because the money was lost long before that. Now, since you don't actually buy ships from NPCs, it's even less of a sink, because as mentioned above, the money just moves to another player.
In fact, ship loss is usually an ISK faucet because ship destruction (unless caused by CONCORD) triggers an insurance payout. That payout is an NPC giving you money, thus creating ISK that didn't exist before. By design, insurance payouts are always larger than the premium you pay for them (including if you don't pay anything at all), so a triggered payout is always a net addition of ISK to the economy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Headerman1
The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:21:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy?
On the market there isn't a lot, usually a system scanner, a POS module. There are also overseers personal effects i believe.
Not on the market is a big NPC isk sink; LP stores. A lot of items there require isk to be purchased |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:31:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy?
If you look on the market's buy and sell orders for trade goods in your region, those items that have 364 days left are NPCs buyers/sellers. |
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:33:00 -
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Dealth Striker wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy? If you look on the market's buy and sell orders for trade goods in your region, those items that have 364 days left are NPCs buyers/sellers.
Cool, thanks for the information. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:34:00 -
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I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years. |
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:40:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years.
To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:52:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Sisohiv wrote:I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years. To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.
Many people are.
And most just don't get the sheer /scale/ of the EVE economy. Trillions of ISK enter every month (trillions leave too, but not an equal amount) Ideally, the balance should be 0 + money for new players to get rich with. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:57:00 -
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remember the biggest sink is skill books
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month. The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears. just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Tri Vetra
Rifters
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:12:00 -
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ben's space helicopter |
Jonni Favorite
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:14:00 -
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Silly monkey, it's the Stork. Didn't your parents teach you anything? |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.06.11 09:30:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:So I'm fairly new to this game, under a month of playing.
After doing the different kind of upstart money making activities I started wondering.
Where does the ISK/money enter the economic system?
The only way i know is by missions and bounty. But is this really enough to even out the losses contributed by shiploss, tax, cloning, and etc? Also there seems to be alot of money floating around in game aka rich players, their wealth also have to come from somewhere (And "playing the market" is not the answer I'm looking for).
easy it came from other peoples wallet
CCP SUCKS |
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.06.11 09:52:00 -
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Every ISK in the game comes first from the NPC. It's a good thing they can basically print ISK whenever they want, because otherwise they would go horribly bankrupt.
I wonder what would happen if the NPC factions, corporations and CONCORD start to run a more financially sound business, by not spending so much money they don't have and taxing/billing the players more appropriately for the services they provide. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.11 09:58:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Sisohiv wrote:I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years. To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.
Null sec ratting. Bots. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:04:00 -
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Porbably the most important part of the buy orders faucet is the sleeper blue loot ('cause I can't think about anything that is bigger). |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:06:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Sisohiv wrote:I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years. To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties. Null sec ratting. Bots.
Not to mention: Hi-sec. Mission bots...
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:16:00 -
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I for one have amassed a wealthy fortune, and would be willing to help you out and get you on your feet and pass on some of the money that has been created in this game, so to do so if you send me any amount over 500 Million i will send you back DOUBLE the amount you send to me. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:28:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.
The highest bounty on a single NPC is a little more then 30M. Still surprised? When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:32:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties. The highest bounty on a single NPC is a little more then 30M. Still surprised?
not that said npc gets killed a lot though. |
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
The Kvist Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:45:00 -
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Okay 30M for a pirate bounty, is alot more than I guessed was the maximum. Whats the highest bounty for common spawns? (As zeomebuch implied the 30M is a rare/hard spawn). Sleeper blue loot sounds interesting, there are still alot of content in this game I dont know about. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:23:00 -
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Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Okay 30M for a pirate bounty, is alot more than I guessed was the maximum. Whats the highest bounty for common spawns? (As zeomebuch implied the 30M is a rare/hard spawn). Sleeper blue loot sounds interesting, there are still alot of content in this game I dont know about.
Yes, the 30M isk spawn is a very rare spawn. These rare spawns are called Officer Spawns and in addition to the bounty, also have a chance of dropping very rare loot that could net you additional isk if you can get the loot to market.
Highest bounty I have seen on common spawns is just a touch above 1.8mil isk back when I was in the Tenal / Venal area a year or 2 ago.
Cant comment on sleeper loot. Someone who is a wormholer will have to do that. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Dark EvE1
renditions of madness B A C K B 0 N E
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:30:00 -
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join a wormhole corp
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