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Sol Sigma
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:49:00 -
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So, here's me being a cheerleader:
But honestly, Liang = win. The guy knows his stuff so
/end thread
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Caleb Fury
Amarr Did I just do that
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow tears, whine, and cheese
Gneeznow, if you don't like the whining stop reading the posts. If I recall correctly, last I logged on, there was no gun to my head making me post anything on here. Additionally, since when are you the arbiter of how someone else spends their time on the forums, or anywhere for that matter?
Actually its posts like yours that can be disregarded. This is ships and modules, and despite all the occasional fluff, there are people who care about the game and have much to contribute. Incidentally, you are not one of them.
Am I to assume that in addition to Ushra'Kahn, Ship Spinners are a top PvP outfit as well? I reside in the domain region. Perhaps someone will take a trip with me to pay these guys a visit?
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Mr Azrael
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:08:00 -
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Agree with OP
I personally think EFT is the devils tool... too much people fiddeling with it and then posting ridiculous fits
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp Me too, the trolls are winning. I tried to reason, but they are blind to the fact that I asked repeatedly for them to propose a different suggestion to the scaling I proposed. Instead, the only thing that they can say is NOT this, NOT that, blah blah blah use implants... blah blah... do as I say.. rable rable...FOTM
I offered a reasoning, based on the rest of the weapon systems, but they are saying that there is no underlying design for missiles. That they are a haphazard collection of stats. That probably means that I need to wait for Dominion to laugh in their face with the new projectiles. I just hope none of these guys holds a critical post in any organization that affects me.
I just wish CCP nerfs the Drake to hell and back, and all Caldari missile boats to the ground. I'll just train Minmatar and get a Vaga, as everyone keeps telling me I should instead of trying to make missile boats work.
considering 1/2 the premise of your first post was "and blah, blah, blah..."
you also seem to be ignoring my posts where I justify where it is okay to use various fitting modifiers such as boosters/implants.
and if there is no underlying design for missiles then I don't want to know where the hell the guns came from.
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Relatyve Mynd
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Relatyve Mynd on 22/10/2009 01:20:47 Gneez for presidenty. Liang what you're missing here is that a lot of people get tired of hearing your opinion on S&M all the time every day practically every thread. You and Merin Ryskin, and Davinel or whatever your names are drive me batty. I get the feeling there is a lot of great fittings out there and great ideas for combat that get completely plowed over by you people
Also I've always wondered how you found the time to actually pvp so much that your opinion remains relevant while posting a wall of text or so every day??
Edit at Caleb: look at you insulting Gneez' pvp experience...you must feel kinda dumb right now |
AstroPhobic
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow I dont have a personal agenda against you I just find prolific ****posters annoying and I've had to read through 3 years of you crying about minmatar in practically every thread about a minmatar ship on this forum, its like every time I glance at ships and modules (which is less and less these days) there's your name and OH WHAT A SURPRISE astrophopic is crying about minmatar again
I admit I had posted quite a bit in minmatar threads, but never "out of line". I do correct people when they say the vaga has "awesome DPS" and other boneheaded **** because frankly it's people like them that halt the progress of balance in this game. Just look at CCPs comments on the vagabond, it makes you want to facepalm.
The primary goal was getting noticed, which worked. Then we got a thread, which got CCP attention. Now, CCP hasn't really made the necessary changes (some good ones, I'm happy but incomplete), but it was a direct response to the support of several threads in the assembly hall, voters that in part came from S+M. I've grown rather apathetic to it all and stopped posting as often.
Quote: now dont get me wrong, minmatar could use some love atm which they are getting, and I did agree with a lot of the stuff you said, its the 3 years of whining and whinging and 50 posts a day which I dont like
Shame it took that long, hopefully Nozh will realize they're incomplete. BTW, I average closer to 3 posts per day (eve-search stats). I just make comments where necessary.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Relatyve Mynd Gneez for presidenty.
I do like him, mostly.
Quote: Liang what you're missing here is that a lot of people get tired of hearing your opinion on S&M all the time every day practically every thread.
Nonsense - I tend to have pretty specialized interests. For instance, of the threads on the front page, I'd say I have posted in relatively few of them (4-5 of the 20 or so).
Quote: You and Merin Ryskin, and Davinel or whatever your names are drive me batty.
So sorry. It's not my intention to drive you batty. Much more my intention to help people and discuss Eve.
Quote: I get the feeling there is a lot of great fittings out there and great ideas for combat that get completely plowed over by you people
Really I think the problem is that a lot of people come here saying things like "LOL LOOK I CAN MAEK AB STABBER SEE HOW AWESOME!" and I'm like.... "Here's 6 practical reasons why that doesn't work as well as you're expecting". And then someone's like WWAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HE ****ED ON MY PARADE!!! In reality what that person wanted was for a bunch of people to come in and be all like "WOW WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!!" I try to keep the criticism constructive, but really now.
Quote: Also I've always wondered how you found the time to actually pvp so much that your opinion remains relevant while posting a wall of text or so every day??
Believe it or not, I don't play Eve until late US TZ - the forum are absolutely dead around that time. I tend to post sporadically from morning to evening my time, and then spend the evening (until my wife goes to bed) with my family.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Doctor Steinsbrow
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 02:34:00 -
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fitting experts are helpful, i've milked my share of good fittings from people just absolutly drawn to fix my intentionally bad fittings posts. so in my opinions i wouldn't do as well without the fitting experts, so god bless ya. I see you 'Cause you won't get outa' my way I hear you 'Cause you won't quit screamin' my name I feel you 'Cause you won't stop touchin' my skin |
Caleb Fury
Amarr Did I just do that
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Relatyve Mynd Edit at Caleb: look at you insulting Gneez' pvp experience...you must feel kinda dumb right now
I wasn't insulting his PvP experience, and based on his baseless whining, I don't give a damn tbh. I don't feel dumb, but I just have to ask... U mad?
Look at all the cheerleaders today. Try again troll
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Fury
Originally by: Relatyve Mynd Edit at Caleb: look at you insulting Gneez' pvp experience...you must feel kinda dumb right now
I wasn't insulting his PvP experience, and based on his baseless whining, I don't give a damn tbh. I don't feel dumb, but I just have to ask... U mad?
Look at all the cheerleaders today. Try again troll
Bump. cause we need Caleb to tell us how to think and what to say. Bring it on.
Feeding time is 09:00 in the morning and 17:00 in the afternoon. Keep away from the cage's bars.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 22/10/2009 03:33:40 It's really entertaining to see this much venom being spilled out and then casually deflected David Carradine style. (i.e. Kung Fu, not dying chorded up in a closet.)
My only comment is that it's sad that it took three years of constant vocality to get anyone to look at Projectiles. You might have been less annoyed if it was looked into sooner.
I do feel for the OP a bit though. It sounds like he made an example suggestion for the improvement of something, and then got caught up in the literal implications of it. It sounds like one hypothetical argument spawned a whole buncha sh**.
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Caleb Fury
Amarr Did I just do that
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Caleb Fury
Originally by: Relatyve Mynd Edit at Caleb: look at you insulting Gneez' pvp experience...you must feel kinda dumb right now
I wasn't insulting his PvP experience, and based on his baseless whining, I don't give a damn tbh. I don't feel dumb, but I just have to ask... U mad?
Look at all the cheerleaders today. Try again troll
Bump. cause we need Caleb to tell us how to think and what to say. Bring it on.
Feeding time is 09:00 in the morning and 17:00 in the afternoon. Keep away from the cage's bars.
At least you have a clue now. You can't think with any sort of reason so I am here to help. Being that I am a nice guy and all. When I show up for feeding time be sure to at least have a 3% implant.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.22 04:57:00 -
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Someone mentioned eft warriors?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Someone mentioned eft warriors?
The only *REALLY* sad thing about that is that there's a certain person who you could take that thread seriously for. Anyone know what he's got it fit with?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
AstroPhobic
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.22 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Someone mentioned eft warriors?
The only *REALLY* sad thing about that is that there's a certain person who you could take that thread seriously for. Anyone know what he's got it fit with?
-Liang
I don't really keep tabs on Entity or rare ships, but I'd probably say a Docking Module II and a few Auxiliary Spin Thrusters.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.22 09:44:00 -
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I have a quiet respect for Liang because he always elaborates things so well, and we usually agree in principle on many fitting issues.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.10.22 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz I have a quiet respect for Liang because he always elaborates things so well, and we usually agree in principle on many fitting issues.
It's not quiet if you say it, fool. Stop sucking up for votes. ;)
How did he afford paying all of you off? Personally I consider Liang clueless, ugly and a menace to the forums.
Parrots, commence!
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 12:11:00 -
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There's a difference between people who know what they're doing and who don't. Then there's a difference between how FAR people will take things, be it about strategy, thinking stuff over and having the capacity to translate it into combat (and vice versa). Some people are capable of that (Liang is one of them, another person is Akita T, albeit less on the pvp side of things, Intigo, Sok and a few others) but most people aren't.
Then there's an overwhelming amount of people who are incapable of realising that there's more scenarios in EVE than just theirs, which kinda coincides with their inability to translate their knowledge into someone else's situation or question. Most of those people are useless and just rabble, some actually know their stuff in EVE but 'fail in helping' due to their inability. I don't think I need to point out who THAT might be
However, the vast majority of people are just too lazy/stupid/inexperienced/incapable of translating theory into practise and vice versa, and lack the ability to understand and predict situations and strategies. And as most people don't like to be called on their inabilities these folks don't take it well when this happens, hence the whining and finger pointing.
And then there's ofcourse the 'real' trolls but per usual; it's difficult at times to differentiate between a well executed troll post and genuine stupidity.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Relatyve Mynd Edited by: Relatyve Mynd on 22/10/2009 01:20:47 Gneez for presidenty. Liang what you're missing here is that a lot of people get tired of hearing your opinion on S&M all the time every day practically every thread. You and Merin Ryskin, and Davinel or whatever your names are drive me batty. I get the feeling there is a lot of great fittings out there and great ideas for combat that get completely plowed over by you people
Also I've always wondered how you found the time to actually pvp so much that your opinion remains relevant while posting a wall of text or so every day??
Edit at Caleb: look at you insulting Gneez' pvp experience...you must feel kinda dumb right now
Time to wite a wall of text: 15min.
Time to kill a ship: 1 min.
:)
Seriously tho, Liang, Merin and all the others got good advice.
Its up to you to read/not read their posts and deciding for yourself if you want to use the advice tho.
And stateing that they ruin other great fits are pretty darn stupid and weak minded. If a fit is good, and you think the fit is good even after others argue against it. Go out and prove it then. Try it. post results. post fraps.
And you can chose not to read thier posts if you are so "sick of it". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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AstroPhobic
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:23:00 -
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Agreed. If you don't like what we say, simply skip over it. We provide a service to the forums. I'd say even half of my posts here are helping genuine noobs with their first mission/pvp setup. I've gotten countless EVEmails saying "thanks for the help man!" and people who remember me and come back for help later.
So just because you don't like what we post doesn't mean we should stop posting, because you're not who the posts are directed at, and I'd say the minority in saying we're elitist *****s.
$.02
fake edit: I see the OP was mostly concerned about implants - I know many pilots that keep a large quantity of 1% and 3% hardwirings every time they get podded. It's not uncommon.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:31:00 -
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I don't know about you but I'm certainly an elitist *******.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp I see certain people come in the forums and pose as fitting experts. myself included. They are proposing fits and game content alterations base on their perceived balance, which is calculated based on all skills @ lvl 5 and then they add on top implants and boosters and blah, blah, blah... I try to propose fits based on 0.0 fighting experience and without the use of any implants or boosters. Most combat pilots operating in 0.0 fly empty clones, cause they know that when you undock, you write off ship and pod. If you want to balance a ship, do it with an empty clone.
It is quite acceptable to consider using an all lvl 5 character as a baseline, but in order to estimate a ships potential, as far as average user is concerned, it is ridiculous to include implants and boosters and whatnot since it produces false responses.
Where those guys using implants and boosters end up is saying that if they shoot a bow while standing on one foot, blindfolded and whistling to tune "A", they will kill that Dragon with one shot.
So, guys (you know who you are) when comparing ships, stop saying stupid things like "use implant A or B cause that is the only way to fit this."
Otherwise I will keep trolling you, Liang.
Welp. A couple of my corp-mates have re-named the all level 5 characters to my characters name... I value all level 5 stat setups. :p
Stop whining.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:34:00 -
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I'd like to drop into this namedropping circlejerk again but I'm not sure where I go.
hi guys!
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Halsoy
Gallente Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil
Originally by: Tagami Wasp I see certain people come in the forums and pose as fitting experts. myself included. They are proposing fits and game content alterations base on their perceived balance, which is calculated based on all skills @ lvl 5 and then they add on top implants and boosters and blah, blah, blah... I try to propose fits based on 0.0 fighting experience and without the use of any implants or boosters. Most combat pilots operating in 0.0 fly empty clones, cause they know that when you undock, you write off ship and pod. If you want to balance a ship, do it with an empty clone.
It is quite acceptable to consider using an all lvl 5 character as a baseline, but in order to estimate a ships potential, as far as average user is concerned, it is ridiculous to include implants and boosters and whatnot since it produces false responses.
Where those guys using implants and boosters end up is saying that if they shoot a bow while standing on one foot, blindfolded and whistling to tune "A", they will kill that Dragon with one shot.
So, guys (you know who you are) when comparing ships, stop saying stupid things like "use implant A or B cause that is the only way to fit this."
Otherwise I will keep trolling you, Liang.
Welp. A couple of my corp-mates have re-named the all level 5 characters to my characters name... I value all level 5 stat setups. :p
Stop whining.
QFT
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.22 18:39:00 -
[115]
This thread is like jungle camp.
This means it's horrible
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Aurorae Andromedae
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Tagami Wasp I see certain people come in the forums and pose as fitting experts. myself included. They are proposing fits and game content alterations base on their perceived balance, which is calculated based on all skills @ lvl 5 and then they add on top implants and boosters and blah, blah, blah... I try to propose fits based on 0.0 fighting experience and without the use of any implants or boosters. Most combat pilots operating in 0.0 fly empty clones, cause they know that when you undock, you write off ship and pod. If you want to balance a ship, do it with an empty clone.
It is quite acceptable to consider using an all lvl 5 character as a baseline, but in order to estimate a ships potential, as far as average user is concerned, it is ridiculous to include implants and boosters and whatnot since it produces false responses.
Where those guys using implants and boosters end up is saying that if they shoot a bow while standing on one foot, blindfolded and whistling to tune "A", they will kill that Dragon with one shot.
So, guys (you know who you are) when comparing ships, stop saying stupid things like "use implant A or B cause that is the only way to fit this."
Otherwise I will keep trolling you, Liang.
Only 0.0 where those experts have been is Syndicate and Providence...
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aurorae Andromedae Only 0.0 where those experts have been is Syndicate and Providence...
Nonsense, I've spent a fairly considerable amount of time in (somewhat in order): - Cloud Ring - Pure Blind - Deklein/Branch/Venal/Tenal/Tribute - Vale of the Silent - Syndicate/Outer Ring - Branch/Venal - Cloud Ring/Fountain - Great Wildlands
Simultaneously: - Lonetrek/Forge/Citadel lowsec - Placid lowsec - Metro lowsec - Aridia lowsec - Molden Heath - Solitude (God that place sucks)
Simultaneously: - Metro Highsec - Lonetrek Highsec
I've maintained a consistent presence in Metropolis for the last 2-3 years.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 22/10/2009 22:43:20
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Aurorae Andromedae Only 0.0 where those experts have been is Syndicate and Providence...
Nonsense, I've spent a fairly considerable amount of time in (somewhat in order): - Cloud Ring - Pure Blind - Deklein/Branch/Venal/Tenal/Tribute - Vale of the Silent - Syndicate/Outer Ring - Branch/Venal - Cloud Ring/Fountain - Great Wildlands
Simultaneously: - Lonetrek/Forge/Citadel lowsec - Placid lowsec - Metro lowsec - Aridia lowsec - Molden Heath - Solitude (God that place sucks)
Simultaneously: - Metro Highsec - Lonetrek Highsec
I've maintained a consistent presence in Metropolis for the last 2-3 years.
-Liang
That is quite an impressive Eve-O curriculum vitae. Rock on and show 'em
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Sol Sigma
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 00:40:00 -
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Liang:
I have all skills at level 3 and no implants. What ship should I fly that kills the most people?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.23 00:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Sol Sigma Liang:
I have all skills at level 3 and no implants. What ship should I fly that kills the most people?
rifter!
oh wait I'm not Liang.
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