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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1311
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:See the thing is this kind of wardec has no objective, no purpose, no win conditions and now no surrender penalty for the attacker. Because its a pointless vapid waste-of-time War and PVP in an MMO built to be a huge open War PVP simulator is a "waste of time"? Oh, christ. No, just no so many times. Well, war to a purpose. Thats a different matter. War to destroy a control tower, to take an outpost, to blow up a customs office, to drive a corp/alliance from their home, to grief them to non existence etc etc - all these things have a dynamic of their own and make the war interesting. Its why Faction Warfare is so good right now - there is a reason to fight, something to lose, something to win and it drives the narrative of the combat game. Now random wardec for the sake of it in highsec by a huge alliance who can't really be bothered to fight and will never be impacted by the opposition because the mechanics ensure its impossible to assemble a force large enough to actually hurt them. There is no real narrative or drive to that war. End of the day the only sensible thing to do is to outsource ganking opportunities to hisec trade hub campers and ignore it. Thats the difference.
The difference is you don't get to say what makes a valid "war."
Historically more people have died in more wars fought over grudges (be it racial, ethical, religious or for holy land, etc) than any idea of having a conflict with a positive aim.
You're literally saying "my version of a war is X and anything else is meany pants"
Grow up, or see reason, whichever works. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:45:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:By the way, Jade, you called your system "Destruction Testing the New Wardec System"
Well, seems you broke it and it's being fixed. Isn't that the point of a "destruction test" - to find the weak spots and fix it? They're literally tests to find the breaking point.
I think you can actually claim OP success.
But instead, because you don't like the result, it's waaaaaaa Goons win wwaaaaaaaaaaaa Well remember when Mittani informed his troops that Burn Jita would be a test of CCP's commitment to emergent gameplay and whether they'd intervene to destroy the sandbox by protecting it? Kinda this. Only this time CCP have intervened to protect the big-boys from the implications and consequences of the Inferno wardec system.
Wait, what? I don't see any downside to null sec alliances with the current war mechanics. Keep adding corps/alliances to the wars. It just makes high sec an increasingyl target rich environment for null alliances to roam. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2011
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:59:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:See the thing is this kind of wardec has no objective, no purpose, no win conditions and now no surrender penalty for the attacker. Because its a pointless vapid waste-of-time War and PVP in an MMO built to be a huge open War PVP simulator is a "waste of time"? Oh, christ. No, just no so many times. Well, war to a purpose. Thats a different matter. War to destroy a control tower, to take an outpost, to blow up a customs office, to drive a corp/alliance from their home, to grief them to non existence etc etc - all these things have a dynamic of their own and make the war interesting. Its why Faction Warfare is so good right now - there is a reason to fight, something to lose, something to win and it drives the narrative of the combat game. Now random wardec for the sake of it in highsec by a huge alliance who can't really be bothered to fight and will never be impacted by the opposition because the mechanics ensure its impossible to assemble a force large enough to actually hurt them. There is no real narrative or drive to that war. End of the day the only sensible thing to do is to outsource ganking opportunities to hisec trade hub campers and ignore it. Thats the difference. The difference is you don't get to say what makes a valid "war." Historically more people have died in more wars fought over grudges (be it racial, ethical, religious or for holy land, etc) than any idea of having a conflict with a positive aim. You're literally saying "my version of a war is X and anything else is meany pants" Grow up, or see reason, whichever works.
I think you are stretching things there.
Very few serious wars ever got started without there being some kind of casus beli or material motive. Even the crusades had a fair quanity of filthy lucre dangling in the sight of the holy warriors. But I'm not really sure what you are arguing about truth be told. I've told you that my preference when faced by a large alliance nonsense dec is generally to outsource it to the trade hub gankers. If it was a more serious dec - ie an attack on something I cared about then sure I'd look at finding some proper allies - but then thats not really what we're talking about.
Bah really, I think we've wandered too far from the point.
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:59:00 -
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Question from my last read through on the wardec cost system: Currently is only the defender's size considered for the war dec cost and not the attacker's?
If so may I recommend the formula instead being (attacker pilot count + defender pilot count)/2 being the new way to determine weekly wardec price. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1052
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
[125] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Bagehi wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:By the way, Jade, you called your system "Destruction Testing the New Wardec System"
Well, seems you broke it and it's being fixed. Isn't that the point of a "destruction test" - to find the weak spots and fix it? They're literally tests to find the breaking point.
I think you can actually claim OP success.
But instead, because you don't like the result, it's waaaaaaa Goons win wwaaaaaaaaaaaa Well remember when Mittani informed his troops that Burn Jita would be a test of CCP's commitment to emergent gameplay and whether they'd intervene to destroy the sandbox by protecting it? Kinda this. Only this time CCP have intervened to protect the big-boys from the implications and consequences of the Inferno wardec system. Wait, what? I don't see any downside to null sec alliances with the current war mechanics. Keep adding corps/alliances to the wars. It just makes high sec an increasingly target rich environment for null alliances to roam. lol, nullsec alliances get farmed by hisec wardecs. Its simply the way these things work. Average nullsec pvpers are not very good at fighting when there is any actual interaction with the client beyond a click per minute. This isn't secret knowledge, its simply the way and history of Eve.
i suggest you stop hiding behind the safety of Concord and come to vfk!! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1052
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:03:00 -
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jade constantine, king of the shittiest sandcastle in the world (hisec, hisec is the sandcastle) |
Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
43
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:04:00 -
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Why do you need the allies system? Why don't the so-called smaller entities take a page from the books of the larger, nullsec blocks and make allies. Like. Real allies. Recruit corps into their alliance until you're of equal size to fight them legitimately? Why not just start camping them in the 0.0 entrances? Why not use the sandbox as a sandbox instead of relying on the game mechanics of a system you're complaining about?
Everyone but goons are worried/annoyed with these changes, that they will impact the "Small alliance's ability to field equal numbers"
Get the ******* equal numbers without the wardec ally system. Jesus. |
GokuZWar
Maverick Fleet Systems AAA Citizens
6
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:05:00 -
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Two step wrote: This isn't the fix I would have chosen. Once again, the CSM is not in charge of what CCP does. Our feedback (which you will see when the summit minutes come out), was that unlimited free allies was dumb, and locking people into being allies forever was also dumb. Our role isn't to do game design, so it is up to CCP how they want to fix those issues.
So what you're saying is, being on the CSM you have no real power...why bother being a CSM then? What's the real point of it if they don't listen to you? Aren't you supposed to listen to us, and tell them what we say so we have a voice THROUGH you to the developers? Seems to me the CSM is rather pointless to have if they won't listen to the CSM. It's either that or the CSM isn't doing their part but is now saying this just because it's what we want to hear. Just my two cents on that. Not saying you guys are doing a bad job, but this just sounds like a cop out to me. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Bagehi wrote:Wait, what? I don't see any downside to null sec alliances with the current war mechanics. Keep adding corps/alliances to the wars. It just makes high sec an increasingly target rich environment for null alliances to roam. lol, nullsec alliances get farmed by hisec wardecs. Its simply the way these things work. Average nullsec pvpers are not very good at fighting when there is any actual interaction with the client beyond a click per minute. This isn't secret knowledge, its simply the way and history of Eve.
Killing the players new to null, who don't have proper high sec hauling alts is not the same as beating null sec pvpers. You should know the difference. The mechanic continues much longer and null fleets will roam high sec regularly. |
Aethlyn
EVE University Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:12:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Okay so lets make another small change instead.
If aggressing entity has a membership larger than the defending entity (+all their allies) then the defending entity can call allies exactly as the system works now.
If the aggressing entity has a membership smaller than the defending entity then the defender can still call allies but for every ally who is added the attacker can also add an ally.
This allows escalation on both sides and will lead to a more dynamic and evolving war environment. I like this idea. Sounds more fair and interesting than simply adding lots of money involved.
As an alternative, I could think about a system defining the costs dynamically based on the ratio aggressors to defenders (with 20 aggressors and 10 defenders you pay a maximum of 50% of the standard fee; with 20 aggressors and 20 defenders you pay 100%; with 20 aggressors and 40 defenders you pay 200%). Looking for more thoughts? Read [url]http://aethlyn.blogspot.com/[/url] or follow me on [url]http://twitter.com/Aethlyn[/url]. |
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1988
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:15:00 -
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GokuZWar wrote:Two step wrote: This isn't the fix I would have chosen. Once again, the CSM is not in charge of what CCP does. Our feedback (which you will see when the summit minutes come out), was that unlimited free allies was dumb, and locking people into being allies forever was also dumb. Our role isn't to do game design, so it is up to CCP how they want to fix those issues.
So what you're saying is, being on the CSM you have no real power...why bother being a CSM then? What's the real point of it if they don't listen to you? Aren't you supposed to listen to us, and tell them what we say so we have a voice THROUGH you to the developers? Seems to me the CSM is rather pointless to have if they won't listen to the CSM. It's either that or the CSM isn't doing their part but is now saying this just because it's what we want to hear. Just my two cents on that. Not saying you guys are doing a bad job, but this just sounds like a cop out to me.
Huh? Where on earth did you get the "CCP doesn't listen to the CSM" thing from what I posted. In this case, CCP is listening to both the CSM and to the players who have been complaining about the issues I mentioned and are working to fix them. This is a perfect example of the CSM process working *exactly* the way it is supposed to work.
Since you are accusing me (and the other members of CSM 7) of not doing our jobs, would you be kind enough to fill me in on what exactly you think our job *is*? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2013
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:16:00 -
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Kuroi Hoshi wrote:Question from my last read through on the wardec cost system: Currently is only the defender's size considered for the war dec cost and not the attacker's?
If so may I recommend the formula instead being (attacker pilot count + defender pilot count)/2 being the new way to determine weekly wardec price.
Yeah its currently the defender size only hence the situation where a 9000 man alliance can wardec a 100 man alliance for 50m isk but in order to get parity in numbers (in the proposed 1.1 inferno patch) it will cost the defender a near infinite amount of isk in concord fees to get to a fraction of the aggressor's size.
This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2013
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:19:00 -
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Bagehi wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Bagehi wrote:Wait, what? I don't see any downside to null sec alliances with the current war mechanics. Keep adding corps/alliances to the wars. It just makes high sec an increasingly target rich environment for null alliances to roam. lol, nullsec alliances get farmed by hisec wardecs. Its simply the way these things work. Average nullsec pvpers are not very good at fighting when there is any actual interaction with the client beyond a click per minute. This isn't secret knowledge, its simply the way and history of Eve. Killing a regular dose of players new to null, who don't have proper high sec hauling alts is not the same as beating null sec pvpers. You should know the difference. The mechanic continues much longer and null fleets will roam high sec regularly.
Well the mechanic is due to be horrendously nerfed in 1.1 so I guess we'll never know. But seriously, I do realize you play your own game in nullsec with vast numbers and well-organized fleets and such and it obviously works well for you there - but its an entirely different kettle of fish to small scale skirmishing in other avenues of the game. I honestly believe the average nullsec pvper is simply dead meat in a small scale engagement with the average lowsec pirate/faction warfare player/or hisec merc.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
This won't be abused.
At all. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Kuroi Hoshi wrote:Question from my last read through on the wardec cost system: Currently is only the defender's size considered for the war dec cost and not the attacker's?
If so may I recommend the formula instead being (attacker pilot count + defender pilot count)/2 being the new way to determine weekly wardec price. Yeah its currently the defender size only hence the situation where a 9000 man alliance can wardec a 100 man alliance for 50m isk but in order to get parity in numbers (in the proposed 1.1 inferno patch) it will cost the defender a near infinite amount of isk in concord fees to get to a fraction of the aggressor's size. This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
This is not a terrible idea. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2013
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:23:00 -
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GokuZWar wrote:Two step wrote: This isn't the fix I would have chosen. Once again, the CSM is not in charge of what CCP does. Our feedback (which you will see when the summit minutes come out), was that unlimited free allies was dumb, and locking people into being allies forever was also dumb. Our role isn't to do game design, so it is up to CCP how they want to fix those issues.
So what you're saying is, being on the CSM you have no real power...why bother being a CSM then? What's the real point of it if they don't listen to you? Aren't you supposed to listen to us, and tell them what we say so we have a voice THROUGH you to the developers? Seems to me the CSM is rather pointless to have if they won't listen to the CSM. It's either that or the CSM isn't doing their part but is now saying this just because it's what we want to hear. Just my two cents on that. Not saying you guys are doing a bad job, but this just sounds like a cop out to me.
I think the point is Two Step. Its fairly clear that a lot of eve developers lack actual gameplay experience with some of the systems they are designing and refining. This current wardec mechanism change indicates a startling lack of knowledge and understanding really - while sure, you guys on the CSM isn't game design - that doesn't mean you can't actually make some good suggestions and act as a sanity check on some of the craziest nonsense that comes out.
Would it have been that difficult to look at a couple of better suggestions for how to handle the problem of a small merc corp getting blobbed by a world of free allied decs ?
It took me 10secs to solve that problem for you on this thread.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:25:00 -
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Jade, why are you so preoccupied with size and growing it? I know you keep going "...vs 100" but lets be real, The Star Fraction is a turgid 74 members so its not even that. I know it's natural to want to compensate, but you could be less obvious about it.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2013
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:25:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
This won't be abused. At all.
Okay so put aside the trolly meme nonsense for a moment and lets talk like adults .... how do you think this will be abused and what is the problem with it ?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1311
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:26:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I think you are stretching things there.
Very few serious wars ever got started without there being some kind of casus beli or material motive. Even the crusades had a fair quanity of filthy lucre dangling in the sight of the holy warriors. But I'm not really sure what you are arguing about truth be told. I've told you that my preference when faced by a large alliance nonsense dec is generally to outsource it to the trade hub gankers. If it was a more serious dec - ie an attack on something I cared about then sure I'd look at finding some proper allies - but then thats not really what we're talking about.
Bah really, I think we've wandered too far from the point.
It's exactly on point. You raised it. It was you who came into this thread with the notion of what type of wardecs are valid or not. Heck, I even quoted one such instance of it.
Here's another
Quote:For example ... the goonswarm vs SF war they are currently losing 10billion isk to 1billion isk. But there is no penalty if they just let it drop. If we could work out a system that would penalize the attacker for declaring a nonsense war and losing it then that would take away the need for mutual shenanigans It really shouldn't matter if you're winning or losing a war or by what ratio. The aggressor should be free to aggress as much as he wants to. You only need to look at examples like Stalingrad in WWII to realise that these scenarios play out in real war all the time, limiting them is pointless and counterproductive.
The CFC's casus beli is your bad posting, and they should be free to wardec you forever and a day at whatever cost it incurs on them, if they wish to. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
This won't be abused. At all. Okay so put aside the trolly meme nonsense for a moment and lets talk like adults .... how do you think this will be abused and what is the problem with it ?
The problem is exactly how you're abusing it right now and whining that it's going to be nerfed. |
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Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:30:00 -
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Also, don't take my post to mean that I care that you're abusing it. I'm just stating that you're abusing it -- since that's exactly what you're doing.
I don't mind all the free targets in highsec. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1114
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:30:00 -
[142] - Quote
*snip*
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
143
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:30:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote: i suggest you stop hiding behind the safety of Concord and come to vfk!!
Don't come to VFK. They don't rat much or mine much there and the response time to aggression is short...The surrounding systems on the other hand... If I could figure out a way to rally everyone on the wardec list I'm sure we could sbu CCP-US or something.
And aside from when other folks visit and one unfortunate individual. Local's been pretty tame and civil. Come visit VFK. PS: Can anyone come deliver me some bombs...I'm getting practice in with them but they are huge (tm).
As for the changes. I approve. It will still cause the IEEE to shut its doors due to high operating expenses. But should I ever get past that. The infinite free allies were a large concern.
(It is still a concern, as even limited really cheap allies could throw a significant wrench into an investigation) You are the internet equivalent of a Mars bar filled with stupid. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:40:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: The CFC's casus beli is your bad posting, and they should be free to wardec you forever and a day at whatever cost it incurs on them, if they wish to.
Right, of course you also believe they should be free to wardec forever and a day for 50m a week while it would cost the defending side in Inferno 1.1 a truly ridiculous sum of isk to bring an equivilent number of allies to the party so you opinion is somewhat biased.
I have absolutely no problem with being in foreverwar with Goonswarm. But clearly *someone* had a pretty huge problem with the notion it should be more of an even fight.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:43:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:This is why I've proposed (but the developers have not yet responded) that the concord fee for allies should not begin unless the collective number of defender + allies is greater than the headcount of the aggressor alliance.
This won't be abused. At all. Okay so put aside the trolly meme nonsense for a moment and lets talk like adults .... how do you think this will be abused and what is the problem with it ? The problem is exactly how you're abusing it right now and whining that it's going to be nerfed.
So you don't believe that an offensive power with 9000 people should produce a war that a defender with 100 should be able to enlarge for free to become 9000 vs 9000 through the wardec system if they can attract enough allies?
Why is that might I ask?
Could it be that you are the dog-in-the-manger with the 9000 person alliance and you want game changes made purely to your advantage?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
39
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:43:00 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote: GÇó Adding some new items to FW LP stores.
I don't see any change in the minmatar lp store, perhaps I am missing it ? where should I be looking ? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3292
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:43:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: The CFC's casus beli is your bad posting, and they should be free to wardec you forever and a day at whatever cost it incurs on them, if they wish to. Right, of course you also believe they should be free to wardec forever and a day for 50m a week while it would cost the defending side in Inferno 1.1 a truly ridiculous sum of isk to bring an equivilent number of allies to the party so you opinion is somewhat biased. I have absolutely no problem with being in foreverwar with Goonswarm. But clearly *someone* had a pretty huge problem with the notion it should be more of an even fight. You could, of course, recruit people into your alliance with your charming wit and lovely posting. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:45:00 -
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i cannot believe how much stock people are seriously putting into highsec wars
this is amazing
it's like you're playing a completely separate, shittier game than the rest of us |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:48:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:i cannot believe how much stock people are seriously putting into highsec wars
this is amazing
it's like you're playing a completely separate, shittier game than the rest of us
Don't worry, if this all goes through nobody much will care about hisec wars in the future.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3292
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:52:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:i cannot believe how much stock people are seriously putting into highsec wars
this is amazing
it's like you're playing a completely separate, shittier game than the rest of us Don't worry, if this all goes through nobody much will care about hisec wars in the future. It seems to me you're equating "people caring about highsec wars" with "jade being able to recruit people effortlessly into his titular 'alliance' in a desperate plea for relevance", while people who actually do highsec wars all approve |
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