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Zan Valis
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Posted - 2009.10.22 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zan Valis on 22/10/2009 17:58:46 Im wondering, can I use two monitors (SLI) and run two apps/accounts with one on each monitor, is this actually feasable?
Or must you run two seperate systems to do this?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 18:09:00 -
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You can run as many clients as your system can handle regardless of how many monitors you have, as long as they are seperate accounts of course. Just run in windowed and put each client on its own monitor and there you go. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Zan Valis
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Posted - 2009.10.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard You can run as many clients as your system can handle regardless of how many monitors you have, as long as they are seperate accounts of course. Just run in windowed and put each client on its own monitor and there you go.
Im already running two clients at the same time, but am alt tabbing and well... its a little annoying. I dont have th second vid card yet, but I have a spare monitor..
Really Im rather ingorant to this Dual Monitor/SLI thing, but figured it would nice to have if it works.
Cheers
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:03:00 -
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I have only run it on 1 graphics card, but it worked on 2 monitors, with 3 accounts. (not the best of cards, so a bit slow, usually just ran 2 accounts)
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Sastard on 22/10/2009 19:10:13
Originally by: Zan Valis Im already running two clients at the same time, but am alt tabbing and well... its a little annoying. I dont have th second vid card yet, but I have a spare monitor..
Really Im rather ingorant to this Dual Monitor/SLI thing, but figured it would nice to have if it works.
Cheers
I am surprised your video card doesn't already have a 2nd monitor connection, pretty much all current cards have 2 from what I have seen? Unless of course yours is on-board, and in that case you are going to have to buy 2 new cards to run SLI, as nothing I have ever run across lets you run a pci-e card SLI with an onboard system. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Zan Valis
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:59:00 -
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New card, Geforce275, so yes it must have two connections, I totally forgot.. so SLI isnt really required then?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zan Valis New card, Geforce275, so yes it must have two connections, I totally forgot.. so SLI isnt really required then?
Nope. Just plug in a 2nd monitor and go to town. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Silas Marchand
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Marchand on 22/10/2009 20:24:50 Edited by: Silas Marchand on 22/10/2009 20:24:17
Originally by: Zan Valis New card, Geforce275, so yes it must have two connections, I totally forgot.. so SLI isnt really required then?
Plug the 2nd monitor in to the 2nd slot on your video card (doesn't matter if it's DVI or VGA), and Windows should pick it up no problem. You *may* have to go into Display Settings and play with it to get it just right -- To get there just Right Click on Desktop > Properties (XP) or Screen Resolution (Vista/Win7) - you should see the options there to tweak with the 2nd monitor!
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Forranz
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 00:54:00 -
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I'd recommend windowed mode for anything more than one account.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:52:00 -
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OK ... here's how it works for me ...
If I have two monitors - I can run a Windowed instance of EVE on each and simply move the mouse cursor back and forth across the monitors from one EVE login to the other.
This lets me see what is going on in each of those windows.
Also - I can layer the Windows on top of each other - so that I have, say, two EVE Windows on one monitor,with one partially covering the other and a third EVE Window running on the other monitor. I could do this with more windows but at this point the game is beginning to run slowly so I don't.
If I hit Alt-Enter while one particular instance of EVE is in the foreground (has the focus ...) then that instance will switch to Full Screen Mode. It will stay in Full Screen mode - as long as I don't click ANYWHERE else. If I do click anywhere else - whether in one of the Windowed EVE's or just on the Window back ground - the Full Screen instance of EVE will drop down to the task bar.
Running EVE in a Window runs significantly slower on my systems than running full screen. So - if I want EVE to run better - I run it in full screen mode and Alt-Tab between them. If I want to be able to see more of what is going on at the same time - I run EVE in Windows.
Exactly how you connect your video card to your monitors depends on the specifics of your video card and monitors.
Another version of this - is instead of having two monitors on one computer - you can hook two computers to one monitor if the monitor has two inputs, then use the buttons on the monitor to switch which computer you are displaying. For example, my Flat Panel monitor has a DVI and Analog inputs - and a button to switch between them. I should be able to use two different computers on this monitor - of course - I will still have to have a separate KB & Mouse for each computer.
You can also buy what is called a KVM switch, where one KB/Mouse/Monitor can be used to control multiple systems. When I was a Systems Administrator we had KVM switches in the server room that could control 30 computers. Obviously the more they control the more they cost. 4 computer KVM switches are readily available and reasonably priced. You need to make sure the cables you are using have the right connectors at each end.
I have some really old systems, some moderately old systems and a new system.
The really old system will only run one copy of EVE at a time faithfully. It will execute more - but is unstable. The moderately old systems will run up to 4 EVE accounts in Full Screen mode - Alt-Tabbing between them but put one of them in a window and everything slows to a crawl. The new system can run 3 EVE Windows with only a moderate slow down and probably more if it wasn't running Vista ... I don't know how many instances of EVE it could run in Full Sceen Mode, Alt-Tabbing between them but probably more than I could handle at any one time.
The next issue with running multiple copies of EVE is what you are doing with them. If you are mining - this works really well. If you are running missions ... it works but it works less well. Here, having two monitors makes a difference as you can see with a glance of your eyes instead of the movement of your hands and fingers what is going on. For PVP ... you really need to know just exactly what you are doing ... though here it depends on things such as how active all your ships are and if some of them are cloaked. PVPing with multiple accounts can quickly lead to task over load and a bunch of dead ships if you don't really know what you are doing. Here, the limit isn't the hardware - the limit is YOU. Some people can undoubtedly multitask better than others.
Now - as to the SLI nature of that card. IIRC ... What SLI allows you to do - is make two video cards work as one. Thus giving you twice the video horse power. The number of Monitors you can push is a separate issue and is probably is going to be dependent on your specific card.
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Ruban Spangler
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:01:00 -
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On the subject of KVM switches does that allow you to run two accounts at the same time i.e. duplicating mouse movements and keyboard commands or does it just let you switch between PCs?
I'm wondering if I could fly two identical ships and activate modules simultaneously etc. Double the gank for one set of controlls maybe Bene Gesserit is recruiting. |
Bongo Debbie
Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:30:00 -
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Just a quickie to say a couple of things
shiftwindow (google it) is a great program for keeping windowed mode screens appearing full screen. I use this and run dual accounts on two screens.
You dont need multiple client installs for dual account running, CCP have stated this somewhere on the forums. Dual installs helps if you don't like fiddling with settings each time you log in.
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Nicski
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:49:00 -
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I run a dual screen (19" widescreen monitors in 1440 x 900 mode) setup off a Vista machine and I have two Eve Accounts, here is my experience.
First just running the EVE Client in Windows mode, unless I'm doing somethig wrong, it hasn't been implemented properly by CCP. I can't resize the window and maximising the window doesn't lock it into place in full screen mode. The window is a fixed size and just slightly bigger than the screen and it always opens on the number 1 monitor and I have to drag the first one across to the number 2 monitor then adjust the position carefully and push it as far up as I can get it to hide the title bar and fit the bottom of the screen in.
The first time I tried to run both accounts together, I got a pop up from the EVE client saying something like "This Client is already connected to the EVE server" and it wouldn't let me continue. At that point I copied the EVE folder on my PC to EVE2 and created a second shortcut on my desktop to the client in this folder. Took about a minute to copy and didn't have any issues from then other than the fact that I had to set up all the preferences again.
One other minor issue and I think this is connected to Windows mode rather than having two clients running, if I haven't got the focus on a particular EVE window when some entity is removed, it doesn't actually leave the Overview, just becomes greyed out and unselectable and then the overview gets locked up and won't update. This is most noticeable when I am salvaging a mission with my Alt. I leave my Main parked in the mission with all the wreaks visible, go to my Alt and Salvage them, then when I come back to my main the wreaks are still there but greyed out and I have to hit ESC twice to clear this. I thought this might be some issue with running two clients at the same time, but I've seen this when autopiloting with just one account running and using another application on the other screen - come back to EVE to find my ship had come to a stop after the final gate, but greyed out player ships were in the overview whom I assumed had passed through or were there when I first jumped in but then left, while the client didn't have the focus.
If anyone knows any solutions to these problems please post. They don't make the game unworkable, just a little fiddling needed particulary at startup.
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Zan Valis
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Posted - 2009.10.23 16:11:00 -
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Hey thanks for the help all, works like a charm.
Just plugged in the 2nd monitor, run EVE in windows mode and viola (well it did take a bit of screwing around, mostly because I didnt know what I was doing ).
Man, I cant believe I didnt do this sooner, what a difference! Im mostly mining ATM, using my alt to hual so this makes things so much smoother and I dont have to worry that Im missing something during switch-overs.
Hehehe, I thought hey this would be great for mission running and possible PVP, then realized Im not such a great multi tasker. So for now any PVP I do will be 1 client. Besides, I would probably die quickly anyway, so why waste two ships.
Its new machine, geared for gaming so I havent noticed any slowdown due to windows mode.
Cheers!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:57:00 -
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As to the KVM Switches - those only let you control one computer at a time. You punch a button on the face of the switch or hit a key combination and it will switch you between computers but you do not have commands going out to more than one computer at a time.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk As to the KVM Switches - those only let you control one computer at a time. You punch a button on the face of the switch or hit a key combination and it will switch you between computers but you do not have commands going out to more than one computer at a time.
Best thing I have found for operating multiple computers is a program called synergy which lets you control multiple computers with one mouse and keyboard, each system maintaining its own video, the keyboard works with whichever desktop the mouse is on. Has worked pretty well for me in my past multi client/machine shenannegans. --------------------------------------------
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.26 10:10:00 -
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I vaguely recall reading that SLI is not supported with either the fullscreen or windowed mode.
Maybe someone else here can elaborate or clear things up about this. I might ofc be wrong.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.26 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk As to the KVM Switches - those only let you control one computer at a time. You punch a button on the face of the switch or hit a key combination and it will switch you between computers but you do not have commands going out to more than one computer at a time.
Best thing I have found for operating multiple computers is a program called synergy which lets you control multiple computers with one mouse and keyboard, each system maintaining its own video, the keyboard works with whichever desktop the mouse is on. Has worked pretty well for me in my past multi client/machine shenannegans.
Yeah, there are a number of applications that will let you run a window on one of your systems that controls another system. The advantage of that over a KVM is that you can use your network to control them so that they don't have to be within reach of a bunch of KVM cables. The disadvantage is that the graphics processor on your local system is the one that has to process the image it displays in it's window, just as it would for any other window it displays and the response to your controls can be effected by network traffic since it isn't a dedicated point to point line.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk As to the KVM Switches - those only let you control one computer at a time. You punch a button on the face of the switch or hit a key combination and it will switch you between computers but you do not have commands going out to more than one computer at a time.
Best thing I have found for operating multiple computers is a program called synergy which lets you control multiple computers with one mouse and keyboard, each system maintaining its own video, the keyboard works with whichever desktop the mouse is on. Has worked pretty well for me in my past multi client/machine shenannegans.
Yeah, there are a number of applications that will let you run a window on one of your systems that controls another system. The advantage of that over a KVM is that you can use your network to control them so that they don't have to be within reach of a bunch of KVM cables. The disadvantage is that the graphics processor on your local system is the one that has to process the image it displays in it's window, just as it would for any other window it displays and the response to your controls can be effected by network traffic since it isn't a dedicated point to point line.
I am not talking about VNC or remote desktop. Synergy assumes you have monitors on the client PC's, it only transfers keyboard/mouse control. You move your mouse off the side of the screen of one computer and it shows up on the screen of the other, giving you full control while the mouse is active on that screen. There is no network lag between your inputs from the keyboard and mouse, and since you are viewing the monitor that is attached to the client PC, there is no graphics issue. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:55:00 -
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Synergy+ FTW - 1 mouse + keyboard several machines several screens all work happy happy joy joy [well nearly - a few niggles but very useful]
DXdepot is something completely different but also very useful
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk As to the KVM Switches - those only let you control one computer at a time. You punch a button on the face of the switch or hit a key combination and it will switch you between computers but you do not have commands going out to more than one computer at a time.
Best thing I have found for operating multiple computers is a program called synergy which lets you control multiple computers with one mouse and keyboard, each system maintaining its own video, the keyboard works with whichever desktop the mouse is on. Has worked pretty well for me in my past multi client/machine shenannegans.
Yeah, there are a number of applications that will let you run a window on one of your systems that controls another system. The advantage of that over a KVM is that you can use your network to control them so that they don't have to be within reach of a bunch of KVM cables. The disadvantage is that the graphics processor on your local system is the one that has to process the image it displays in it's window, just as it would for any other window it displays and the response to your controls can be effected by network traffic since it isn't a dedicated point to point line.
I am not talking about VNC or remote desktop. Synergy assumes you have monitors on the client PC's, it only transfers keyboard/mouse control. You move your mouse off the side of the screen of one computer and it shows up on the screen of the other, giving you full control while the mouse is active on that screen. There is no network lag between your inputs from the keyboard and mouse, and since you are viewing the monitor that is attached to the client PC, there is no graphics issue.
Oh! Cool. Thanks for the clarification! I'll have to look into that.
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Hacra
Minmatar Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.28 06:57:00 -
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Running 2 accounts with 2 monitors use evemover app, no need to alt/tab anymore.
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