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Al'Gouhti
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.26 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Theophilas
Originally by: CDLoon The Star Fractions' biggest Fail, is having you as CEO and Alliance Leader.
QFT
Funny how our enemys seem to think so, but actual SF members have a diferent opinion. I can only interpride it that we are doing something right
Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF?
Classless... utterly classless.
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Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:35:00 -
[152]
The Kamela Pos and titan shenanigans are actually quite an amusingly clever thing.
If the Amarr militia do not take action against it, then Star Fraction can say "Aha, you are powerless!" and twirl their moustaches in a holo-cartoon supervillain style, while continuing to use it to support their operations.
If they do take action against it, then Star Fraction will have manouvered the militia into spending the only currency that counts to capsuleers. Time and Effort. Those are the only two things that matter. Expending them means not expending them in other activities, e.g. contesting/defending star systems. Star Fraction could then, in the supervillain style, twirl their moustache and say "Aha, you dance to our tune, Who is your master now?".
And the expense of replacing it is trivial.
It is a cunning trap indeed. Whatever the militia do, will look bad.
I like genetic engineering Past projects: The Radioactive Sheep Current project: Cybercow |
U Mad
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.10.27 05:01:00 -
[153]
Originally by: CDLoon Jade's version of history is deluded and tainted by the spin of a failing alliance.
Whenever alliances experience catastophic failures in leadership, posts similar to Jades' spiel are to be found, and those of us with the intelligence to avoid her self-pandering, blinkered posts, find immense humour in the damage limitation exercise container therein.
Jade, remember your carrier was fit only for camping station undocks, with 3 sensor boosting modules, and a warp scrambler. It should never have left the safety of Kamela station.
As for travelling light through Kamela, it was not the Amarr Militia, that were running around in Stealth Bombers attempting to hit our fleet from range, and failing miserably, the day after your greatest defeat.
Reship, buy some more carriers, get another Titan if you will, your ships will still fall to our turrets and missiles, whenever you lead them.
The Star Fractions' biggest Fail, is having you as CEO and Alliance Leader.
Stand down, and let another take your position at the head of your alliance, and watch it achieve more than you could ever dream.
I have no idea who you are, where your corp is situated, or how long you've been playing - but kudos (no sarcasm) on nailing SF in general. There seem to be some good guys in the alliance (CLaireXXX comes to mind) but good god could you imagine having the incarnation of fail that is Jade as your CEO? He tries so hard and STILL fails at pretty much everything he/she/it has tried to do.
Good god.
10/10 perfect diagnosis.
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Riso Makaan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:27:00 -
[154]
I'm not one to weigh in on these affairs often, if at all. But I've been reading more and mroe from this service, and feel the need to contriobute in however a small way; and that is with this observation which I'm sure will stoke a thousand posturing arguments to come -
For someone that seems to prey upon the Amarr (and by extention the Khanid and Ammatar) so heavily there certainly seem to be a whole lot of Amarr Carriers (well, there was before this battle). Is this some kind of attempt at Irony or are they simply better / more plentiful / cooler looking?
I'm just curious, and treading my first steps on such an issue with something light.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.10.27 14:34:00 -
[155]
So, the Helljumpers have returned from their hilariously disastrous attempt to carve a piece of the galaxy out for themselves, still empowered with the ironic idea that they deserve the right to have opinions about others. How cute.
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:18:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Riso Makaan I'm not one to weigh in on these affairs often, if at all. But I've been reading more and mroe from this service, and feel the need to contriobute in however a small way; and that is with this observation which I'm sure will stoke a thousand posturing arguments to come -
For someone that seems to prey upon the Amarr (and by extention the Khanid and Ammatar) so heavily there certainly seem to be a whole lot of Amarr Carriers (well, there was before this battle). Is this some kind of attempt at Irony or are they simply better / more plentiful / cooler looking?
I'm just curious, and treading my first steps on such an issue with something light.
Riso, don't ask SF for help on Carriers, looking at what they put on them, they obviously have no idea how to fit / use one. --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:26:00 -
[157]
Originally by: SuiJuris
Riso, don't ask SF for help on Carriers, looking at what they put on them, they obviously have no idea how to fit / use one.
Gotta love the arm-chair capital pilots ain't ya. Bring your carrier to the field and fight with it before you start criticizing others.
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:09:00 -
[158]
Update on the ongoing struggles of SF, to wage there war against no Mercy.
Yesterday "Star Failure" again tried to engage us in Ohide, but alas unfortunately for them Jade Constantine was FC'ing, they managed to lose a command ship, 2x battlecruisers, a cruiser, a AF a frigate and Jades Scimitar. While only manageing to down a single Vengeance.
I'm sure they will try to claim this as some sort of victory, and I like to say it was a off day for them but I'd be lying. Its about par for the course everytime SF tries to engage No Mercy.
So Far SF's War on No Mercy has had no effect, This alliance is unable to win straight up engagements and our pilots continue to roam and kill Minnies at will regardless of SF's influence. On average we have 4-5 pilots in the top 10 every week for kills in the entire militia.
SF tries to claim they pin us in Ohide but the numbers tell the true story, Whenever they try they take heavy losses, and they are doing nothing to stop us from hunting down Minmatar.
Hats off to them for there persistance, but a old quote comes to mind.
"Quitters never Win, and Winners never Quit, But those who never Win and never Quit are ******ed." --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:15:00 -
[159]
Originally by: SuiJuris "Star Failure"... I'm sure they will try to claim this as some sort of victory, and I like to say it was a off day for them but I'd be lying. Its about par for the course everytime SF tries to engage No Mercy.
I just spit coffee all over my uplink module, thanks.
-------------------------------------------------- Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn |
Millennium Queen
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:57:00 -
[160]
Was there a fortress before and how is it breached now? Inquiring mind wants to know.
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Millennium Queen Was there a fortress before and how is it breached now? Inquiring mind wants to know.
Garst was referring to it as "Fortress Kamela" Sarcasticly. --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.10.28 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris Garst was referring to it as "Fortress Kamela" Sarcasticly.
I think you might mean ironically. For I don't see any sarcasm in this. Sarcasm comes together with bitterness and I don't think Garst would like to be described as "bitter".
But I am not sure if it is allowed by the scriptures to use false words to express something you mean. I'm quite sure, a warrior should talk straight. Alas I'm no priest or the servant of a priest so it might be that I do not understand their way too well.
But I thought thou shalt not lie?
I again offer the service to whip the Amarr in the case of needed flagellation. And I'm not going deeper than the bone. Promise! -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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U Mad
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.10.28 03:47:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Zverofaust So, the Helljumpers have returned from their hilariously disastrous attempt to carve a piece of the galaxy out for themselves, still empowered with the ironic idea that they deserve the right to have opinions about others. How cute.
We have never dropped pos's anywhere. ANYWHERE. We kill people.
You are a bitter bitter little SF alt aren't you princess?
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Jodie Amille
Rifters
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:59:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Jodie Amille on 28/10/2009 21:01:33
Originally by: SuiJuris Furthermore 90% of your kills against Our corp no Mercy come from a Lone SF or 2 hiding inside a minnie blob and taking a pot shot at a ship already going down.
Originally by: SuiJuris But go on continue to talk like you actually accomplish anything, Considering your top killer FOR THE WEEK, has a grand total of 7 kills. I get more then that almost EVERYTIME I undock a ship for PvP.
Looking briefly at your combat records, I quickly notice you don't stray too far from your respective blob either. So I would say it sounds a lot like:
Originally by: SuiJuris Furthermore 90% of your(my) kills against Our corp no Mercy(the minmatar) come from a Lone SF(me) or 2 hiding inside a minnie(amarr) blob and taking a pot shot at a ship already going down.
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, darling. --------
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 28/10/2009 21:01:33
Originally by: SuiJuris Furthermore 90% of your kills against Our corp no Mercy come from a Lone SF or 2 hiding inside a minnie blob and taking a pot shot at a ship already going down.
Originally by: SuiJuris But go on continue to talk like you actually accomplish anything, Considering your top killer FOR THE WEEK, has a grand total of 7 kills. I get more then that almost EVERYTIME I undock a ship for PvP.
Looking briefly at your combat records, I quickly notice you don't stray too far from your respective blob either. So I would say it sounds a lot like:
Originally by: SuiJuris Furthermore 90% of your(my) kills against Our corp no Mercy(the minmatar) come from a Lone SF(me) or 2 hiding inside a minnie(amarr) blob and taking a pot shot at a ship already going down.
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, darling.
o'rly Jodie? Look at the losses no mercy has suffered to SF, check the relevent damage on those losses, Then take a look at SF's losses to No Mercy, You will notice 90% of them are targets killed solely by No Mercy or Targets where No Mercy did most of the damage.
Everytime our Corp has fought there alliance head on with no outside influence we have stood victorious and looted the field.
Also Jodie, There is a BIG difference between a Lone Corporation Wartarg
et take pot shots from inside a enemy fleet, then say a Militia member doing the opposit, The Corporation or Third party war target ONLY has to worry about getting shot by the target they are trying to gank, because most the time if the gang goes GCC it will get slaughtered by the combined gateguns / minmatar force.
in a 40 vs 40, the militia target has to worry about 40 people legally shooting him, the Third party target only has to worry about 1 person legally shooting him. This may seem like a small advantage but it is a advantage. However even with that advantage they still can't manage a halfway decent efficiency.
They claim to be helping the Minmatar cause yet all there doing is getting large amounts of crew members killed.
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Jodie Amille
Rifters
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Posted - 2009.10.29 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
o'rly Jodie?
Yarly, Sui. What I'm saying is it's no different for SF to ***** in on a kill and claim it as theirs than it is for you to ***** in on a kill with little contribution and claiming it as yours. The end result is the same. The circumstances may be different, but the end result is the same.
As for crying about people hiding in wt fleets or anything else... I came to a realization long ago while still in the amarr militia. It makes sense. Whether it's SF, Rifters, some merc corp, or some other random corp. You spend your time in FW. You undock when you go to fight your wt's. Thus we, and they, fight you at that time. When it suits us, not you.
Or you can just do like you've been doing and keep hopping corps
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.29 13:14:00 -
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Now you want to call me a Corp hopper eh? Lets see here Callide Vulpis, I left them frankly because there CEO and I had some very firm disagreements about the 25% tax rate he was imposing. Also there were no active War Dec's against this corp when I left.
AB-C, I left that corp because they are a purely Euro TZ corp and No Mercy was being put together for US TZ pilots, this was in planning for weeks before Rifters War Dec'd AB-C, and Star Fraction never really bothered me even while flying solo.
You will notice that all the US pilots who left AB-C during your little War Dec joined No Mercy.
You can flatter yourself think you caused me to corp hop to avoid the dec but that is not the case. I will admit one thing though, Rifters Unlike Star Fraction is not full of fail pilots being led by a fail CEO. You guys actually know how to fit / fly your ships.
Pretty sad when a 10 man Corp can achieve more results against the same target then a entire Fail Alliance eh?
--- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.29 14:07:00 -
[168]
Originally by: SuiJuris
Everytime our Corp has fought there alliance head on with no outside influence we have stood victorious and looted the field.
Simply false and the 90% statistic is a silly exaggeration.
The fact is that the balance of things in this regard is about the same for both SF and No.Mercy. Very roughly, based on the last time I checked, a few days ago, the kills accounted to both SF and No.Mercy against each other break down at:
40-50% SF/NM only involved in kills. 20-30% SF/NM in majority on kills. 30-40% SF/NM in minority on kills. <10% SF/NM equal numbers with other parties on kills.
It's really a non-debate because everyone involved has allies in the warzone. I don't think the particular breakdown specifics are that relevant in terms of the detail. I do think the partial and exaggerated impression being given by one No.Mercy pilot in particular does not stand up to scrutiny.
I don't intend to debate it any further though. It's enough to provide our, balanced, point of view on this minor point.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
U Mad
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.10.30 03:12:00 -
[169]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: SuiJuris
Everytime our Corp has fought there alliance head on with no outside influence we have stood victorious and looted the field.
Simply false and the 90% statistic is a silly exaggeration.
The fact is that the balance of things in this regard is about the same for both SF and No.Mercy. Very roughly, based on the last time I checked, a few days ago, the kills accounted to both SF and No.Mercy against each other break down at:
40-50% SF/NM only involved in kills. 20-30% SF/NM in majority on kills. 30-40% SF/NM in minority on kills. <10% SF/NM equal numbers with other parties on kills.
It's really a non-debate because everyone involved has allies in the warzone. I don't think the particular breakdown specifics are that relevant in terms of the detail. I do think the partial and exaggerated impression being given by one No.Mercy pilot in particular does not stand up to scrutiny.
I don't intend to debate it any further though. It's enough to provide our, balanced, point of view on this minor point.
The Cosmopolite
Why don't you talk about your efficiency against helljumpers?
Be careful, fudge them and I will **** you.
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.30 07:03:00 -
[170]
There running under a 25% efficiency against us. They keep hiring more MERC corps to help them as well. --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
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Trinity Apollyon
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Posted - 2009.10.30 07:18:00 -
[171]
Just incase anyone was intrested.. Fortress Kamela is put into reinforced today.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.30 08:16:00 -
[172]
So from what i have seen in the last week or two.
Major battle results in the loss of 5 SF carriers Any major battle agaisnt minmatar and/or SF i have been in recently has involved SF flying Stealth bombers
From what i can see and have heard (i havnt been so active lately) Amarr militia put Sf's POS in kamela into reinforced. This then resulted in R.E.P.O and The Final Stand.(Both well known Merc Alliances with over 100members each for those that dont know) war dec'ing No.Mercy, which didnt make sense to me until after i found out about SF's POS. Apprently Jade called in a 'favour' from R.E.P.O or something to that effect.
Looks to be an interesting next couple of days :)
---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone No.Mercy
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.10.30 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 30/10/2009 10:19:21
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone So from what i have seen in the last week or two.
Major battle results in the loss of 5 SF carriers Any major battle agaisnt minmatar and/or SF i have been in recently has involved SF flying Stealth bombers
From what i can see and have heard (i havnt been so active lately) Amarr militia put Sf's POS in kamela into reinforced. This then resulted in R.E.P.O and The Final Stand.(Both well known Merc Alliances with over 100members each for those that dont know) war dec'ing No.Mercy, which didnt make sense to me until after i found out about SF's POS. Apprently Jade called in a 'favour' from R.E.P.O or something to that effect.
Looks to be an interesting next couple of days :)
Well to be honest, you guys have admittedly brought in Caldri reinforcements a number of times now with them bringing anything from 30 to 50 ships typically. Yet you guys are complaining if SF brings in some help?
You should know by now, that Minmatar typically ignore the BS gangbangs which makes us not a large amount of help in a POS situation TBH. Most of Minmatar Militia, prefer to fly BC down in fast moving roaming gangs, rather than sit on gates with 30 BS playing gate camping games with your a neutral guardian alts.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.30 12:06:00 -
[174]
While I'm not going to deny people are helping us, I am going to deny it is on the basis of being hired as mercenaries by the Star Fraction. Simply put, if we hired mercenaries we would admit it. There is no reason not to do so and the last time we hired mercenaries in a war we stated it plainly enough. That was a case, as I recall it, of hiring mercenaries against some others hired against us.
What has happened in the instance of REPO, and apparently others, is that favours are being done for private individuals within the Star Fraction by friends and associates outside the alliance. None of these private individuals are alliance leadership within the Star Fraction.
I say all this simply to put the record straight. There is and would be no ideological, moral or political difficulty with hiring mercenaries if we decided to do so. As has been said, there is no shame in fighting alongside others. It is just a fact that the Star Fraction has hired no mercenaries at this time. If we do hire mercenaries, we shall be clear about it.
I understand that it may be easier for certain people to imagine we have to hire people than for them to accept that, despite all the hooting and braying, we in the Star Fraction are not that short of friends, associates and well-wishers beyond the horizons of our alliance. I don't intend to seek to prove them wrong. I am simply stating the facts as we know them to be.
The Cosmopolite
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.30 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: SuiJuris on 30/10/2009 12:53:05
Originally by: The Cosmopolite While I'm not going to deny people are helping us, I am going to deny it is on the basis of being hired as mercenaries by the Star Fraction. Simply put, if we hired mercenaries we would admit it. There is no reason not to do so and the last time we hired mercenaries in a war we stated it plainly enough. That was a case, as I recall it, of hiring mercenaries against some others hired against us.
What has happened in the instance of REPO, and apparently others, is that favours are being done for private individuals within the Star Fraction by friends and associates outside the alliance. None of these private individuals are alliance leadership within the Star Fraction.
I say all this simply to put the record straight. There is and would be no ideological, moral or political difficulty with hiring mercenaries if we decided to do so. As has been said, there is no shame in fighting alongside others. It is just a fact that the Star Fraction has hired no mercenaries at this time. If we do hire mercenaries, we shall be clear about it.
I understand that it may be easier for certain people to imagine we have to hire people than for them to accept that, despite all the hooting and braying, we in the Star Fraction are not that short of friends, associates and well-wishers beyond the horizons of our alliance. I don't intend to seek to prove them wrong. I am simply stating the facts as we know them to be.
The Cosmopolite
So, he didn't pay them money, but someone in SF asked them to War Dec us because they knew they can't win this war, that they started, on there own.
I'd also like to point out that SF is too chicken to Anchor a pos in Kamela under there alliance, They had a shell corporation anchor it for them.
For all the talk, they are a fail alliance that can't hold space in 0.0 and doesn't even dare anchor its own POS's in lowsec, or Highsec for that matter. --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
Aphoxakhan
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.30 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris Edited by: SuiJuris on 30/10/2009 12:53:05 For all the talk, they are a fail alliance that can't hold space in 0.0 and doesn't even dare anchor its own POS's in lowsec, or Highsec for that matter.
The Lovely Anarchists do not dare claim to "hold" any mostly empty region of the universe.
Terror in the sighs.
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:02:00 -
[177]
Impressive - after having failed with anything else they tried to achieve against other alliances, SF try to make an impact on a battlefield mostly frequented by the most unexperienced pod-pilots in New Eden, only wardeccing about 100 of them at a time whilst having 3500 Minmatar militia pilots to hide behind and a titan hidden behind neutral POS shields to bonus them.
In a truly heroic act of bravery, they once more hotdrop their wartagets battlecruisers with equal numbers of capitals, still managing to get obliterated and then start to squeal for help from the final stand and r.e.p.o. to have them dec a 40 member corp.
The few who fight against the many - I'm really deeply impressed by such capability and heroism...
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CDLoon
Minmatar Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine It also goes a way to explain why you are incapable of planning an attack on a fixed objective such as the 5-1 POS depicted in the propaganda post at the head of the thread. There is a limit to what you can achieve without significant forces deployed to an extended presence in space.
The proof is in the pudding to be honest. Your badly fitted alt-corp pos lies battered in re-inforced state, despite the presence of 40 SHIELD HARDENERS*
Originally by: Jade Constantine We'll see if "Fortress Kamela" can be "breached" again by Garst this month.
Fortress Kamela was laid waste by the forces of the Amarr Militia and our friends, while Star Fraction tried to annoy us in Stealth Bombers and a poorly tanked Nidhogggur carrier, while the 40 man Battleship heavy Minmatar fleet buzzed harmlessly between the Kamela Stargate in Kourmonen and the Kamela Stargate in Lamaa.
Looking forward to the pos coming out of reinforced
GF All.
*Obvious over-exaggeration in the style of Jades' failure to accurately count Logistics vessels.*
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse Impressive - after having failed with anything else they tried to achieve against other alliances, SF try to make an impact on a battlefield mostly frequented by the most unexperienced pod-pilots in New Eden, only wardeccing about 100 of them at a time whilst having 3500 Minmatar militia pilots to hide behind and a titan hidden behind neutral POS shields to bonus them.
In a truly heroic act of bravery, they once more hotdrop their wartagets battlecruisers with equal numbers of capitals, still managing to get obliterated and then start to squeal for help from the final stand and r.e.p.o. to have them dec a 40 member corp.
The few who fight against the many - I'm really deeply impressed by such capability and heroism...
/thread --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.30 15:15:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Grim Asse Impressive - after having failed with anything else they tried to achieve against other alliances, SF try to make an impact on a battlefield mostly frequented by the most unexperienced pod-pilots in New Eden, only wardeccing about 100 of them at a time whilst having 3500 Minmatar militia pilots to hide behind and a titan hidden behind neutral POS shields to bonus them.
In a truly heroic act of bravery, they once more hotdrop their wartagets battlecruisers with equal numbers of capitals, still managing to get obliterated and then start to squeal for help from the final stand and r.e.p.o. to have them dec a 40 member corp.
The few who fight against the many - I'm really deeply impressed by such capability and heroism...
This pretty much sums up the entire history of our conflict with SF quite nicely...
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