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Canis Trucido
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:08:00 -
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So, it's easy to see why someone would cheat when there is something to be gained, like your right in front of you and you can insult them, or your playing for money, or your playing to win a trophy or SOMETHING.
But in an online (fighting) game, where there is no rank involved, no prizes or achievements to win, no score, don't know each others names, NOTHING, and people cheat, I can't figure out for the life of me why. The only thing it is achieving is angering me, but they can't see me so how can they take pleasure in it?
Why do people do this?
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Lord Windu
Echelon Warfare Unit
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:16:00 -
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Some people just don't like playing by the rules or they just don't have any patience. ------
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:18:00 -
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Welcome to real life.
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Wuff Wuff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:23:00 -
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Some people just really like the taste of nerd rage tears.
- Wuffles
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:27:00 -
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A better player doesn't mind exploiting their superior skill to win, why should a better cheater not exploit their own talent to win also?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.25 23:03:00 -
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Some people just have to win, no matter what it is they're winning and how.
Betatested a friends game a while back and this one guy cheated on the closed beta for the creator to see and shake his head at. I think that's about the saddest thing I've heard. I still beat him too, that's gotta burn.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.25 23:18:00 -
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People will always cheat, Always. There's no reason for it, I don't think they even know why themselves but nonetheless they'll cheat, even if it doesn't effect the outcome or even if the outcome doesn't matter, they'll still cheat.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Aunt margret
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Posted - 2009.10.26 05:57:00 -
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You'll tend to find people that are living in their own little world for too long, belive that others realy care!!!
Anything from Cheating/exploiting in fps, to hey look at me kill stats.
Reality is aside from their peers, 99% of the rest of the world realy couldn't give a toss.
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Finnroth
Caldari The Guardian Agency Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.26 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Finnroth on 26/10/2009 09:13:37 Are you talking about Street Fighter IV? Cheaters in that game make me mad aswell
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Rafen Bane
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Posted - 2009.10.26 09:23:00 -
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what do you mean by cheating?
Stuff like macroing or buying isk is cheating. or hacking your client to do stuff, or the pos glitch for moon minerals, that's cheating.
Griefing, blowing people up, selling things more expensive tha\n they are supposed to be, suicide ganking, that's just the game and I love it because that's allowed. Even when I was a miner, I still liked the fact the world is a dangerous place. Cos I don't see hte relavence of just trying to stockpile isk and never do anything risky.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.26 09:26:00 -
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There are many types of people I hate on the call of duty games. The cheaters top the list because its not fun and because there is no point. Close behind them are the bunny hoppers, then the people who whine about campers followed by the explosive junkies.
The bullet spitters I can live with
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.10.26 09:57:00 -
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It is either 'to ruin the experience for everyone else' or they just want to win, regardless of whether or not it's earned or deserved. Perhaps they get picked last all the time for PE lessons, are showing off, find it funny or take pleasure from your displeasure.
Saying that, being 'accused' of cheating when you haven't is fantastic. Playing AvP2 back in the day, I always played predalien. For a couple of matches I'd done very well and in the next I completely dominated, annihilating anyone who wasn't an alien (and possibly some that were). I won the match by a fair margin, and in the chat box after, instead of the usual "gg"s and so on, everyone was accusing me of cheating. Knowing I hadn't, but that I had played so well everyone thought I *must have* was a great compliment. The sad thing is it was probably the pinnacle of my gaming career -------------
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.26 10:18:00 -
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The thin veneer of 'sportsmanship' and 'fair play' we all have is proportional to the chance of being caught and the severity of the repercussions.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.26 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 26/10/2009 11:23:05 I used to aimbot on Counter Strike: Source. While this seems bad, our clan used unsecured empty servers, and all of us would have the aimbot on. It was quite fun. But let me tell you some peoples copy of aimbots work better than others, even when its the same aimbot
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.26 14:23:00 -
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It changes from person to person and from point of view to point of view.
1. self gratification - Basicly they want people to be in awe of them even when it doesnt matter. 2. Raging against the machine - I think we've all encountered this type of person, fighting "the man" in anyway they can. 3. They actually have skill and you dont - I recall some years ago I was playing HaloPC and was accused of being a hacker because a noob kept throwing plasma gernades at me. I was behind a wall and what he was doing was throwing them into on one side or the other. I would side step and jump to avoid the blast. He called me a hacker, then I ran up and pistol whipped him. He quit after that. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
C1yde
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.26 16:30:00 -
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I know what you mean here and its the cheat mentality that has left me cold in most fps games. I can take a beating like any other, i usually am down low on the scoreboards anyway but when someones obviously using an aimbot and more annoyingly chanting noob and stuff the fun leaves the game and so do i.
I have a friend who cant even face playing an online game as he says he always gets killed. Now thats a mentality i dont fathom either. Similar though - some (most?) people simply cannot face losing.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.26 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: C1yde Similar though - some (most?) people simply cannot face losing.
Find me someone who takes it well putting their best effort forward and it still not paying off and ill find you an honest politician. We're hardwired to want to win. Games (sports included) in my opinion are nothing more then vents for humanities aggressive nature and desire to be top dog without the bloodshed. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Canis Sarcina
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Posted - 2009.10.26 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Canis Sarcina on 26/10/2009 20:53:27
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: C1yde Similar though - some (most?) people simply cannot face losing.
Find me someone who takes it well putting their best effort forward and it still not paying off and ill find you an honest politician. We're hardwired to want to win. Games (sports included) in my opinion are nothing more then vents for humanities aggressive nature and desire to be top dog without the bloodshed.
You are going to have to find me an honest polotician then. There are a lot of people out there who actually derive joy when they lose (not from the loss, but from everything else it brings).
The people who don't mind (Infact, they seek out those who can make them lose) are the people who are training competitivly to win. You see, when you beat someone, you didn't really learn anything. It's like scrapping the edge of your knife against a cheese wedge. Nothing happeneds, infact, you can go so far as to say you've gotten worse, a bad habit that the other guy can't call out but pros can defeat, you've just reinforced it into yourself that much more.
But...when you lose, you know one thing for sure: you just got ever so slightly better, and have just been told directly what weakness' you possess. You now can now find a way to play differnelt when that weak situation comes up, or you can change something all together (such as choose someone who doesn't get in that situation [if its a fighting game]).
You might think "Oh whatever thats just one guy who thinks like that."
Nope, its everyone who is trying or is the best at whatever game they are practicing at.
Before you go "Wait, the root of trying to get better to win is so that you don't lose! hence you hate loseing!"
Thats very true, but what he said was 'people cannot face loseing'.
The two are very very different. To dislike loseing is to desire to win, but to be unable to face loseing is when people cheat,quit early, or just avoid the fights. They cheat because they can't face loseing. The quit early so they can avoid it.
One of those people will get better, engaugeing better people is the only way to improve, and he won't mind loseing. The other will never get better because in a situaton in which the rules MUST be followed (A tournament or someone elses setup where there is no such devices or ability to cheat) they will be even worse, because they let bad habits that formed when they were cheating take over,and without the cheat, they are helpless.
Ofcourse, if they are a cheater, odds are they won't go to any of those situations (tourny, friends comp,whatever), because they know what awaits them.
EDIT: to finish the knife analogy, cheating or playing someone worse is the cheese wedge treatment. Playing a pro or someone who can beat you is like rubbing it against a whet stone, it sharpeneds the edge.
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BeaconBeacon
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Canis Sarcina Edited by: Canis Sarcina on 26/10/2009 20:53:27
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: C1yde Similar though - some (most?) people simply cannot face losing.
Find me someone who takes it well putting their best effort forward and it still not paying off and ill find you an honest politician. We're hardwired to want to win. Games (sports included) in my opinion are nothing more then vents for humanities aggressive nature and desire to be top dog without the bloodshed.
You are going to have to find me an honest polotician then. There are a lot of people out there who actually derive joy when they lose (not from the loss, but from everything else it brings).
The people who don't mind (Infact, they seek out those who can make them lose) are the people who are training competitivly to win. You see, when you beat someone, you didn't really learn anything. It's like scrapping the edge of your knife against a cheese wedge. Nothing happeneds, infact, you can go so far as to say you've gotten worse, a bad habit that the other guy can't call out but pros can defeat, you've just reinforced it into yourself that much more.
But...when you lose, you know one thing for sure: you just got ever so slightly better, and have just been told directly what weakness' you possess. You now can now find a way to play differnelt when that weak situation comes up, or you can change something all together (such as choose someone who doesn't get in that situation [if its a fighting game]).
You might think "Oh whatever thats just one guy who thinks like that."
Nope, its everyone who is trying or is the best at whatever game they are practicing at.
Before you go "Wait, the root of trying to get better to win is so that you don't lose! hence you hate loseing!"
Thats very true, but what he said was 'people cannot face loseing'.
The two are very very different. To dislike loseing is to desire to win, but to be unable to face loseing is when people cheat,quit early, or just avoid the fights. They cheat because they can't face loseing. The quit early so they can avoid it.
One of those people will get better, engaugeing better people is the only way to improve, and he won't mind loseing. The other will never get better because in a situaton in which the rules MUST be followed (A tournament or someone elses setup where there is no such devices or ability to cheat) they will be even worse, because they let bad habits that formed when they were cheating take over,and without the cheat, they are helpless.
Ofcourse, if they are a cheater, odds are they won't go to any of those situations (tourny, friends comp,whatever), because they know what awaits them.
EDIT: to finish the knife analogy, cheating or playing someone worse is the cheese wedge treatment. Playing a pro or someone who can beat you is like rubbing it against a whet stone, it sharpeneds the edge.
Finally... post something worth reading and no one responds, funny eh?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/10/2009 19:30:23
Because they feel its fun.
The fun probably comes from beating you. Cheating probably doesnt make it much less fun to win. If they lose, they wont have fun.
And I dont think they take player skill as seriously as you do, so they dont care if they win by cheating, as long as they dont lose.
Just my 2 cents.
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Denny Haze
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:38:00 -
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I admit, I use trainers, cheats, and console commands in games, cause there are so few games out there actually worth playing, and can only be enjoyed cause of their storyline, which gets lost in crappy gameplay. Latest exception to this, that I've encountered, is Fallout 3, and, to some extent, Mass Effect.
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Slightly Green
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Posted - 2009.10.28 11:51:00 -
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I've got no problem with people who decide they want to cheat their way through a solo game. They may just want to finally finish the game. I've been tempted myself on a few occasions... I'm not very patient, and I'm not a big fan of repeating the same scripted level over and over again.
What does annoy me are people who cheat in multiplayer games. I stopped playing COD4 online because of the whole aimbot/wallhack thing... gave up Asheron's Call (MMO) because of GodMode (breaking an animation through timely key-presses to make you immortal)... and one or two others.
I don't mind losing because it's hard, or because someone's really good. Hell, it's great to come up against a real good PvPer, because you can learn a thing or two. Not much you can learn from an aimbot.
However, it's human nature. People are pretty ingenious though. You can protect a game until you're blue in the face, and someone will figure out a clever way of breaking it. As soon as they perfect single-player AI, I'll probably just stick with that. :)
S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZJanP97dX8
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.28 11:54:00 -
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You cheat to win.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva The thin veneer of 'sportsmanship' and 'fair play' we all have is proportional to the chance of being caught and the severity of the repercussions.
No that's cheater talk. A real man wants to test his abilities and know he beat someone else down while that someone was doing their best and was able to too. Cheats is like kicking someones ass while they're bound.
Can't emoticon enough how much disrespect is in my mind right now for you and your likes.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Madmi CEO
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Marko Riva The thin veneer of 'sportsmanship' and 'fair play' we all have is proportional to the chance of being caught and the severity of the repercussions.
No that's cheater talk. A real man wants to test his abilities and know he beat someone else down while that someone was doing their best and was able to too. Cheats is like kicking someones ass while they're bound.
Can't emoticon enough how much disrespect is in my mind right now for you and your likes.
That completely depends on what you consider fun. If your goal in life is to challenge yourself in a fair fight with someone else, then that's all fine and dandy. But that doesn't mean it's the only way to fly. I personally get really annoyed if someone is cheating in a multiplayer game, but when it comes to single player games, I cheat like a madman. I've become rather good at cheating in the right proportions. Cheating just so much that the game is still very fun, but more options are open to me. It's almost a fun challenge whenever a game has tried to hide variables and values from me. In general, where I prefer to cheat is where I have to choose between A and B. Why not have both? In a multiplayer game you have different ships, classes or whatever that will support each other as a team. In a single player game, I have just myself and some stupid NPC's. I want to do stuff alone, which means I have to cheat my way into having basic abilities from i.e. various different classes available to me.
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The AEther
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:16:00 -
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For some people the ends justify the means. For others they do not. Human history is riddled by both kinds. And in any multiplayer game you will have both of these groups interacting. You might say "ok but this is an internet spaceship game where nothing of what we do really matters". Yes but people play this game because it incites emotional responses in them that are very real. You know those neurotransmitters that light up certain portion of your brain when you have killed somebody in a log-in trap, those are very real and they give you a very real sensation of satisfaction and glee.
Then of course there are people who cheat because the are role playing somebody evil or precisely because it does not matter. Think of it as exploring being someone you'd never be in real life and doing something you'd never do. After all this is one thing that appeals to many players playing in a virtual universe that you can assume any role you want and do whatever you want to do without any consequences to it in real life.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: The AEther
rant
Cheating is roleplaying now?
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