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Watyu
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:01:00 -
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It has just been brought to my attention by a brother capsuleer that CVA have simply vanished from DED's maps and sovereignty records, and a quick check of my own astrometric charts confirms this. Does anybody know the cause?
I find it unlikely that a publicly devout and stubborn force with such military assets would just vanish, so I suspect some catastrophic admin error. Confirmation would be nice however, a th providence region will undoubtedly destabilize without them.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:12:00 -
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Today is a glorious day, CVA who kicked our brothers and sisters from providence who fought for the freedom of our people, have recieved what was coming to them, those who employed in immoral tactics to bring an end to UNITY station, have had that same bitter taste of immoral tactics thrust back at them.
*Nebulous fires his autocannons into the air to celebrate*
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 28/10/2009 20:15:54 There are three possiblities that come to mind, and I shall list them in reverse order of probability.
1) CVA have decided to pack up and leave. This has almost no chance of being true, as the accomplishments spiritual, material, and simply incredible (Stabilizing an entire region) are too great to just decide to leave.
2) CVA is reforming. There may have been internal power struggles, CVA may have simply decided to make a more efficient model, or they may have simply decided that Curatores Veritatis Alliance wasn't a good enough name. There is a moderate possiblity of this happening.
3) At one point, Band of Brothers was as we all know a nearly unstoppable alliance which looked just about set to take over the majority of nullsec. But then one single administrator took it upon themselves to disband the alliance in a Goonswarm plot. BoB instantly lost all sovereignty, the vast majority of its sovereignty, the vast majority of its membership, and quickly fell into what is now the much less powerful Kenzoku Alliance. It is possible that upon seeing the wild success of this operation, one of the enemies of CVA took it upon themselves to mimic the plan. However I doubt that it will be as successful here, as CVA has a multitude of Holder Alliances and many, many allies which can defend Providence until CVA (Or the new incarnation) can regain Sovereignty.
In any case, we're likely going to see some changes in the politics of Providence and the surrounding area. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 28/10/2009 20:27:57 Update: It appears that #3 is, as I believed, correct. A corporation named 'Curatores Veritatis Alliance' was created, much as in the BoB incident. Whether this was a result of clone jacking or an infiltration has yet to be seen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:28:00 -
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Quote: those who employed in immoral tactics to bring an end to UNITY station
Mind telling us what these 'immoral tactics' were, other than killing you over and over and over again? -------
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Alistair Cononach
Amarr The Legion of Spoon
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:37:00 -
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There is nothing to confirm at this time.
Clearly and unquestionably, there was no intent by CVA leadership or membership to disband our Alliance. let me repeat, there was no intent in CVA leadership on membership to disband the CVA.
If the disbanding was the act of a lone sabatour, an unauthorized hacking of the CVA Alliance mainframe hub, or some other circumstance has yet to be made clear. But be assured, it WILL be made clear.
Once the cirumstances and specifics of this situation have been looked into appropriately, I am sure an official CVA representative with have more to say here.
But for now, I can assure you this.....
CVA will not fall, regardless of today's events. The Pilots of CVA, of our Corporations, will not be bowed and defeated by this kind of action, regardless of it's source or cause.
Until more information is available, this is all that can be said. For God, the Empire and for CVA.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Quote: those who employed in immoral tactics to bring an end to UNITY station
Mind telling us what these 'immoral tactics' were, other than killing you over and over and over again?
I thought it would be wise to not go down that road, so I took back what I said.
What is important for me is that an alliance who encourages the degradation and enslavement of our people has been removed from the map.
One question CVA...... WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW??
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous Today is a glorious day.
*Nebulous fires his autocannons into the air to celebrate*
If this is the same kind of back-stabbing victory that took down the Band of Brothers alliance, then there is no honour and no glory in this passing of a respected foe. _____________________
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Revan Saihon
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:12:00 -
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This is interesting. I wonder who will be blamed/take credit for this action.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Saihon This is interesting. I wonder who will be blamed/take credit for this action.
I've heard that some clone-jacker has taken credit for it, and I've also heard that CVA has blamed clone jacking, so it looks like whatever was done was quite illegal by CONCORD and all other law. If I've heard correctly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous One question CVA...... WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW??
If we survive what is surely to come, there will no longer be any doubt of His devine...Providence.
I can only be humbled that God has chosen us for this trial.
We must make his gift deserving.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:21:00 -
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"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed
Amarr Victor. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Revan Saihon
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:31:00 -
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I've heard that some clone-jacker has taken credit for it, and I've also heard that CVA has blamed clone jacking, so it looks like whatever was done was quite illegal by CONCORD and all other law. If I've heard correctly.
Would this mean that the CVA could be restored by outside forces, unlike the BoB Alliance?
(OOC: Does this mean that CCP could restore the alliance?)
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Riso Makaan
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:31:00 -
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this truly disturbing information.
Of all the Alliances in Nullsec space, I have only had contact with CVA, due to the stability their space has offered me, my income, largely, is destroying the sansha pirates that stalk the belts there.
I can only hope the Reformaton of the CVA is quick and painless, and that they can take back Providence without undue hassle. I would hope that CVA's more honorable enemies do not take advantage of this weakness brought about in the most illegal and underhanded fashion.
CVA - or whatever you shall call yourselves now - May the light of God be with you during this trial.
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:36:00 -
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We stand with our CVA friends during this difficult time.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:43:00 -
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There is a saying that the pen is mightier than the sword.
But apparently concord procedures do indeed give a single bureaucrat such power in the case of alliances.
I'm still amazed that alliances still allow Concord to dictate when they can and can't activate their cynojammers or build Titans. Or that they haven't been able to crack the code that Concord provides them daily to keep many of their technological marvels operating.
However, my information about such procedures might be lacking. ____
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Saihon Would this mean that the CVA could be restored by outside forces, unlike the BoB Alliance?
CONCORD does hold the power of deciding which system has Sovereignty, so if it was indeed a maneuver illegal by CONCORD law then they may be persuaded to reverse the changes made here. However, if it is just an old-fashioned infiltration and not a clone jack then CVA may need to stand up on their own feet. A trial which we can only hope they will pass.
Of course, we are not the only ones discussing this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:50:00 -
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I believe the CVA is spiritually far more than a particular CONCORD registration. Amusing as this incident may be to some, I fancy it will only harden their resolve, as it would if we fell victim to it.
I find myself rather in agreement with Merdaneth as to what he says about the incompetent and rickety system that CONCORD use and his views on CONCORD's meddling in what capsuleers can and cannot do. But then the topic of CONCORD has ever been one of the few points of agreement between Fractionists and Amarr Loyalists.
The Cosmopolite
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth There is a saying that the pen is mightier than the sword.
But apparently concord procedures do indeed give a single bureaucrat such power in the case of alliances.
I'm still amazed that alliances still allow Concord to dictate when they can and can't activate their cynojammers or build Titans. Or that they haven't been able to crack the code that Concord provides them daily to keep many of their technological marvels operating.
However, my information about such procedures might be lacking.
I'm amazed that after this has already happened once, exposing the power CONCORD allows individual bureaucrats with the proper legal authority, that there are still alliances out there who have not modified their command structures in order to protect themselves from this loophole.
To be quite honest, anyone who is so negligent as to ignore this possibility deserves what they get. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I believe the CVA is spiritually far more than a particular CONCORD registration. Amusing as this incident may be to some, I fancy it will only harden their resolve, as it would if we fell victim to it.
Only our most bitter enemies could understand us so well.
At the absolute worst, we are set back in our mission 5 years and under a new organizational name. God's work and our resolve remain.
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Mister Builder
SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:06:00 -
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hope you all get back up and running,and we stand by you all and a see bout helping were needed
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Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente Duty.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:17:00 -
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So Garreck, let me get this straight. If CVA don't come out of this intact, you'll stop believing in God?
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Sardoniac
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sardoniac on 28/10/2009 22:30:55 The Ordo Magna will exhaust all its resources to return peace and prosperity to the region.
We will stand by your side.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:38:00 -
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Disturbing news.
Rest assured that we in PIE will stand alongside our Amarrian brothers through any difficulties.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust So Garreck, let me get this straight. If CVA don't come out of this intact, you'll stop believing in God?
I would quantify your logic flaw but you're very well aware of it I'm sure.
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