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Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:That players made the wrong choice by coming to eve is not CCPs fault.
Quote of the year right here. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:12:00 -
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Quote:That's a strawman argument...
When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman.
People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are.
Quote:Torneach wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That players made the wrong choice by coming to eve is not CCPs fault. Quote of the year right here.
Quote of the year 2010, when CCP hit its high point for subscriptions. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
baltec1
1434
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:16:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Real life is not video games. I adapt to and overcome obstacles in real life every day. Most people play video games to escape that.
I know you probably got confused by the "Eve is real" trailer. It was SO good and realistic.
You are playing the wrong game. |
baltec1
1435
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:18:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are.
9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
811
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:20:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are. Quote:Torneach wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That players made the wrong choice by coming to eve is not CCPs fault. Quote of the year right here. Quote of the year 2010, when CCP hit its high point for subscriptions. Because once they pay for their sub and then cancel due to butthurt, CCP has to send them their money back due to the SATISFACTION GUARANTEE.
Oh wait, no they don't.
Meanwhile people like you and me, Cipher Jones, we keep on payin'. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are. 9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works.
The game is 9 years old and has less subscribers than 2 years ago. CCP admitted that they almost went bankrupt over player exodus.
"9 years old and still growing" is not accurate at all.
"9 years old and growing" is true, but not the whole story.
"9 years old and growing towards a point it had once been" is the intellectually honest way to word what you are trying to say.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
baltec1
1436
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are. 9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works. The game is 9 years old and has less subscribers than 2 years ago. CCP admitted that they almost went bankrupt over player exodus. "9 years old and still growing" is not accurate at all. "9 years old and growing" is true, but not the whole story. "9 years old and growing towards a point it had once been" is the intellectually honest way to word what you are trying to say.
Please link said CCP statement of almost going bankcrupt over a player exodus.
Please link sub numbers because the ones I am looking at show EVE grew to well past 400k subs last year dispite the troubles. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are. 9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works.
But the way EVE works has changed over time. It was, in fact, harsher at the beginning. It's gradually been carebear-ified over time, but that was always done in a circumspect way, without losing the essential FFA open-world PvP aspect.
So in fact, "people were happy" with the carebearish direction it was going in for a while, but something changed more recently.
What changed more recently is the lower class of player that's infested the game in recent years. It's no longer a game that has FFA open world PvP realism because that contributes to the sense of a virtual world (a "multiplayer Elite"), it's now a game in which it's widely known that you can be an asshat with little consequence - IOW, the open world PvP is a mere enabler of asshattery and metagaming.
The tail is now wagging the dog.
So, bang goes the neighbourhood, and people start leaving.
Does anyone even care that this game is a virtual make-believe universe any more? Do many players even care about the lore any more? Or do most players just laugh at all that stuff now? Is it all merely about jumping into an internet spaceship for some pew-pew now?
Constantly, I see whining in the forums about making the game easier to get into - and that usually means "easier to jump into an uber ship and start pwning noobs". It's that attitude that's killing the spirit of the game (not the actual game itself - EVE will go on for years to come - but the spirit of the game, the core idea of the game).
NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!!!! This is a roleplaying game - which means that even if you aren't a "serious" roleplayer, your actions ought to respect the idea that you aren't Joe Blow sitting at your computer merely playing a game, but you are Joe Blow imaginatively finding his place and carving out a career (solo or with others) in an imaginary world.
EVE is being devalued by its own players. CCP have given people a sandbox, and there's a whole bunch of players who are basically just shitting in it. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:51:00 -
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Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? |
Jonah Gravenstein
461
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:56:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote: EVE is being devalued by its own players. CCP have given people a sandbox, and there's a whole bunch of players who are basically just shitting in it.
WTS Pooper Scooper (republic fleet version) War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:57:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same?
The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. When EVE started, there was no "fence", and for many years there was no "fence". Now there's a "fence" - funnily enough, coinciding with a slow-down in EVE's previously seemingly inexorable rise. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:59:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. Can't we all just get along?
According to Dr. E, that's not good for Eve.
So I guess we get more abloobloobloo. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:That's a strawman argument... When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman. People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are. 9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works. The game is 9 years old and has less subscribers than 2 years ago. CCP admitted that they almost went bankrupt over player exodus. "9 years old and still growing" is not accurate at all. "9 years old and growing" is true, but not the whole story. "9 years old and growing towards a point it had once been" is the intellectually honest way to word what you are trying to say. Please link said CCP statement of almost going bankcrupt over a player exodus. Please link sub numbers because the ones I am looking at show EVE grew to well past 400k subs last year dispite the troubles.
Please link me to the pot you are smoking.
It was one of the first things talked about at fanfest, it has had articles dedicated to it in gaming periodicals, and you could google the financial information for yourself, and people did so and posted the information right here in this forum. It is also visibly demonstrate-able by logging into the server, or observing it via the API system. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:07:00 -
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The pot I'm smoking.
Edit: link was borked, now fixed. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:07:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. When EVE started, there was no "fence", and for many years there was no "fence". Now there's a "fence" - funnily enough, coinciding with a slow-down in EVE's previously seemingly inexorable rise.
Don't kid yourself, there's always been a fence.
Those that don't want FFA pvp, and those that do.
Thakfully CCP has a world that works for everyone. Unfortunetly neither side is willing to stop with the posting. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:09:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. When EVE started, there was no "fence", and for many years there was no "fence". Now there's a "fence" - funnily enough, coinciding with a slow-down in EVE's previously seemingly inexorable rise. Don't kid yourself, there's always been a fence. Those that don't want FFA pvp, and those that do. Thakfully CCP has a world that works for everyone. Unfortunetly neither side is willing to stop with the posting. Never stop posting bro. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
baltec1
1436
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:15:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
It was one of the first things talked about at fanfest, it has had articles dedicated to it in gaming periodicals, and you could google the financial information for yourself, and people did so and posted the information right here in this forum. It is also visibly demonstrate-able by logging into the server, or observing it via the API system.
Then you should be able to provide evidence for your wild accusations then. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:18:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. Can't we all just get along? According to Dr. E, that's not good for Eve. So I guess we get more abloobloobloo.
Obviously, the game thrives on conflict, but in the old days, it was roleplaying conflict (I don't mean in a "heavy" way, like serious RP-ers do, but in a loose general, rp-lite sort of way - i.e. the players in the game were into the idea of this big, s-f universe, and into the idea of imaginatively putting themselves in it).
Or to put it another way: in the old days, it was EVE players against the world. All of us, PvP-ers and PvE-ers alike, were proud to play in a wonderfully-realized s-f game that had full-on FFA open-world PvP because that made it a more realistic, MORE ENGAGING virtual world.
Now it's EVE players against EVE players.
That's the "fence" and IMHO that's the reason for EVE's bumpy subscription ride atm. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
813
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:22:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Seems like the guys on the other side of the fence have relaxed with the posting.
Imagine if the guys on this side of the fence did the same? The fact that there's a "fence" is the whole problem. Can't we all just get along? According to Dr. E, that's not good for Eve. So I guess we get more abloobloobloo. Obviously, the game thrives on conflict, but in the old days, it was roleplaying conflict (I don't mean in a "heavy" way, like serious RP-ers do, but in a loose general, rp-lite sort of way - i.e. the players in the game were into the idea of this big, s-f universe, and into the idea of imaginatively putting themselves in it). Or to put it another way: in the old days, it was EVE players against the world. All of us, PvP-ers and PvE-ers alike, were proud to play in a wonderfully-realized s-f game that had full-on FFA open-world PvP because that made it a more realistic, MORE ENGAGING virtual world. Now it's EVE players against EVE players. That's the "fence" and IMHO that's the reason for EVE's bumpy subscription ride atm. So I'm not sure what you're saying.
Either Eve players were originally against Eve players, or they weren't. RP reasons have nothing to do with it anymore than strategic or tactical ones do.
And I think the Eve community still has a fairly coherent "Us against all the other lame themepark mmo's in the world" vibe to it, even if you don't.
To me this just looks like it's working as intended. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:28:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Obviously, the game thrives on conflict, but in the old days, it was roleplaying conflict (I don't mean in a "heavy" way, like serious RP-ers do, but in a loose general, rp-lite sort of way - i.e. the players in the game were into the idea of this big, s-f universe, and into the idea of imaginatively putting themselves in it).
Or to put it another way: in the old days, it was EVE players against the world. All of us, PvP-ers and PvE-ers alike, were proud to play in a wonderfully-realized s-f game that had full-on FFA open-world PvP because that made it a more realistic, MORE ENGAGING virtual world.
Now it's EVE players against EVE players.
That's the "fence" and IMHO that's the reason for EVE's bumpy subscription ride atm.
It just becomes more prominent as the game attracts more players.
But lets keep in mind, that if EVE always remained in the state it was in, in the "good old days" you wouldn't have the players you have today.
I'd rather EVE had 500k players under the system we have today, then 100k under the system it had 8-9 years ago. This is by far the best system of any FFA pvp mmo on the market. The fact that it's the most succesful is proof of that.
Both sides are responcible for giving the game a bad rep by continuing to post about how the other side doesn't get it. The only side that needs to get it is CCP, and they obviously do or the game wouldn't be were it is today.
Love it or hate, CCP must be doing something right and it sure aint mining! |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
It was one of the first things talked about at fanfest, it has had articles dedicated to it in gaming periodicals, and you could google the financial information for yourself, and people did so and posted the information right here in this forum. It is also visibly demonstrate-able by logging into the server, or observing it via the API system.
Then you should be able to provide evidence for your wild accusations then.
I have not made any wild accusations. I have simply reiterated.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:44:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Either Eve players were originally against Eve players, or they weren't. RP reasons have nothing to do with it anymore than strategic or tactical ones do.
But I think they did, in the "good old days". Nowadays, the metagame has taken over to such an extent that what was originally in-game conflict in in-game terms is bleeding out to two camps of players who are paranoid that the other camp is ruining their game experience.
That didn't used to be the case. In the old days, the carebear vs leet pvp-er stuff was just joshing, mostly done with a sense of irony, because pvp-ers understood that miners were important, and miners understood that pvp-ers were important TO THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES.
Nowadays, it's serious biznes - stuff is at stake. Some pvp players really are paranoid that carebears will ruin their sandbox. Some pve players really are paranoid that pvp-ers will ruin their sandbox. So the PvP is bleeding through into the real world a bit. One camp of players wants the other camp of players to GTFO of EVE.
Originally, both camps were united against players who didn't like EVE. Now two camps of players who do like EVE are at each others' throats, and there's a lot of imaginary accusations about motivation flying around.
"A kingdom that is divided shall not stand" - Mark 3:24 |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
813
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:57:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Either Eve players were originally against Eve players, or they weren't. RP reasons have nothing to do with it anymore than strategic or tactical ones do.
But I think they did, in the "good old days". Nowadays, the metagame has taken over to such an extent that what was originally in-game conflict in in-game terms is bleeding out to two camps of players who are paranoid that the other camp is ruining their game experience. That didn't used to be the case. In the old days, the carebear vs leet pvp-er stuff was just joshing, mostly done with a sense of irony, because pvp-ers understood that miners were important, and miners understood that pvp-ers were important TO THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES. Nowadays, it's serious biznes - stuff is at stake. Some pvp players really are paranoid that carebears will ruin their sandbox. Some pve players really are paranoid that pvp-ers will ruin their sandbox. So the PvP is bleeding through into the real world a bit. One camp of players wants the other camp of players to GTFO of EVE. Originally, both camps were united against players who didn't like EVE. Now two camps of players who do like EVE are at each others' throats, and there's a lot of imaginary accusations about motivation flying around. "A kingdom that is divided shall not stand" - Mark 3:24 Religious implication of the quote notwithstanding, Eve Online is not a kingdom.
It's an empire. With four racial factions and countless player-based ones.
The game was not designed to give us a warm fuzzy sense of coming together with our fellow players as men and equals.
It was designed to give us a cold bleak sense of tearing down everything our enemies built even if it costs us every last ISK we have.
Or that's the way it looks in all the catchy ads. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
baltec1
1436
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:04:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Either Eve players were originally against Eve players, or they weren't. RP reasons have nothing to do with it anymore than strategic or tactical ones do.
But I think they did, in the "good old days". Nowadays, the metagame has taken over to such an extent that what was originally in-game conflict in in-game terms is bleeding out to two camps of players who are paranoid that the other camp is ruining their game experience. That didn't used to be the case. In the old days, the carebear vs leet pvp-er stuff was just joshing, mostly done with a sense of irony, because pvp-ers understood that miners were important, and miners understood that pvp-ers were important TO THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES. Nowadays, it's serious biznes - stuff is at stake. Some pvp players really are paranoid that carebears will ruin their sandbox. Some pve players really are paranoid that pvp-ers will ruin their sandbox. So the PvP is bleeding through into the real world a bit. One camp of players wants the other camp of players to GTFO of EVE. Originally, both camps were united against players who didn't like EVE. Now two camps of players who do like EVE are at each others' throats, and there's a lot of imaginary accusations about motivation flying around. "A kingdom that is divided shall not stand" - Mark 3:24
Difference between then and now is the new generation of people who seem to have no grasp of risk or consiquences. Rther than fit a tank they will whine its too hard. You see this in all walks of life these days, they want everything now and anything that stops them is a bad thing that should go away. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
411
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:weak and strong? Try living through a deployment to a 3rd world country, then we'll talk weak and strong. This is just a video game. Some people At the risk of injecting more "IRL" stuff, i'm a police officer when i'm not at home blowing up people in space ships. I work in a low income area, does that count? lol The point is, people demonstrate character with their actions. The miners complaining about something that has always existed are demonstrating bad character. Boll*cks and it hasn't always existed Tal please point out the patch notes for the patch that introduced suicide ganking, thanks.
I don't need patch notes. Playing the game for 9 years is enough to know its changed. While there has always been an element for getting caught out in hi sec, which to be honest is one of the reasons I like the game, it has become more prevalent over the last 4 /5 years. 2009 was the first hulkageddon (correct me if wrong) and the first real Eve wide organised attack on miners and hi sec, before that it happened of course but you where unlucky if you got caught this way. For pretty much the first year or two (maybe longer) afk mining was pretty standard as a chill out activity (mining while maybe surfing the web or whoring the forums) and getting ganked wasn't even a consideration (in hi sec).
Hi sec was even made safer after some famous events bought up in these forums, but those guys were small corps (mOo and such) so unless you operated where they worked or put yourself in harms way, you weren't in allot of danger.
The issue now isn't so much the ganking as the scale of the ganking, What was once the activity of a few, has now become the activity of many (Goons for example). Once upon a time to be honourable seemed to de rigueur, not so much any more.
So moving because of a change in the culture of Eve and not the mechanics, doesn't make you weak, just means its not for you right now. (although I do exlude the guy trolling about salvaging)
Tal
P.S if you read it earlier, operation was ok, guy is now in recovery |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2616
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MasterEnt wrote:Please explain to me how using a combat ship to attack a non-combat ship is strong? Somali skiffs vs bulk tankers U-boats vs merchant ships Slave ships vs a royal navy 5th rate Spanish gold ships vs gallions Trade hulks vs triremes Piracy is not a new thing here. Its history goes back for as long as merchant ships have existed. Why would EVE be any different? You conveniently forgot to include what happened to those engaging in Piracy activities. Granted there will always be a small amount of Piracy happening in isolated areas but history has shown time and time again when it becomes a large scale activity affecting the welfare of citizens, the Authorities will hunt them down, kill them and or force them into hiding.
Seems it's always the same MO with players who advocate and try to justify the massive increase of Suicide Ganking in this game. Always trying to 'Rationalize away' opposing statements using broad 'Generalizations' presented with half truth 'Examples'.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
815
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:59:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:baltec1 wrote:MasterEnt wrote:Please explain to me how using a combat ship to attack a non-combat ship is strong? Somali skiffs vs bulk tankers U-boats vs merchant ships Slave ships vs a royal navy 5th rate Spanish gold ships vs gallions Trade hulks vs triremes Piracy is not a new thing here. Its history goes back for as long as merchant ships have existed. Why would EVE be any different? You conveniently forgot to include what happened to those engaging in Piracy activities. Granted there will always be a small amount of Piracy happening in isolated areas but history has shown time and time again when it becomes a large scale activity affecting the welfare of citizens, the Authorities will hunt them down, kill them and or force them into hiding. Seems it's always the same MO with players who advocate and try to justify the massive increase of Suicide Ganking in this game. Always trying to 'Rationalize away' opposing statements using broad 'Generalizations' presented with half truth 'Examples'. In EVE the most powerful Authorities are the players.
And I don't expect anything to change any time soon there...
This isn't an attempt to rationalize away opposing statements using broad generalizations presented with half-truth examples.
This is a truth in the context of the original game design, supported by continued and ongoing development, and as stated repeatedly by CCP. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Christopher Dulson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:07:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Confirming I have a giant EM hole on my mission runner.
I feel like a giant nerd when i really laughed out loud over this |
Raekek
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:23:00 -
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Why are they up in arms? Partly because of the month long 9.95 $/Gé¼ new account sale (even cheaper on Stream for a week or two). There are lots of new players, and they're accustomed having things handed to them in other MMOs. They've just begun EVE's painful learning process.
Also, when you say "some of the high sec miner types" are up in arms, you mean a handful of very verbal forum posters. Most new players that do enjoy the game probably don't feel as tempted to post on the forum. So the overall attitude of the GD is biased in favor of whining players.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
412
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:32:00 -
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Raekek wrote:Why are they up in arms? Partly because of the month long 9.95 $/Gé¼ new account sale (even cheaper on Stream for a week or two). There are lots of new players, and they're accustomed having things handed to them in other MMOs. They've just begun EVE's painful learning process.
Also, when you say "some of the high sec miner types" are up in arms, you mean a handful of very verbal forum posters. Most new players that do enjoy the game probably don't feel as tempted to post on the forum. So the overall attitude of the GD is biased in favor of whining players.
Not having a go, but I would say GD doesnt favour the whining player, for every whine post there are about 20+ HTFU responses (very approx but you know what mean.)
Tal
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