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Miss Xerox
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Posted - 2009.11.17 03:21:00 -
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This post needs to be stickied... the ideas that are presented, even if they are not exactly balanced entirely, are better than 90% of what CCP is actually doing.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.17 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xerox This post needs to be stickied... the ideas that are presented, even if they are not exactly balanced entirely, are better than 90% of what CCP is actually doing.
Because you know what exactly what CCP is doing with T3 frigs am I right? You also happen to be a game designer am I right?
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Wrangler Al
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.17 18:13:00 -
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the cloak idea is so from wow
stealth units in wow could see each other.... that wont work in eve
when you cloak you dont go to a great cloak level of space... you sit there and bend the entire EM spectrum around your ship.
Only close inspection (being within 2k or damage from an explosion breaks the cover)
The only way to effectivly scan for cloak ships would be to develop a spacial charge module... something that explodes with the radious of a torpedo but does maby 1-5 damage per blast.
In fact I might just post a suggestion to that effect :P
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Leanne Pausic
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Posted - 2009.11.17 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming Butterfly no, no, no and NO.
CCP already has T2 frigs vastly underused and no other T2 destroyer than the Interdictor.
Ceptors, Covert Ops, Bombers are all very useful under certain conditions, but not a jack of all trades ship. AF's still have no certain role and those using rockets are severely broken. The Interdictor is a 0.0 only ship, used in empire an AF works better, with no other T2 variation (bomber or sniper would do nicely).
Until CCP deals with ceptors, AF's and introduces a new T2 Dessie, the idea of a T3 that mimics all T2 frigs and AF's with none of the drawbacks and shortcomings still to be solved is rediculous.
Also, your idea radically departs from how the T3 mirrors all T2 cruisers, though with greater tanks and firepower, but lacking all the bonuses of the T2 Cruiser.
Im with this guy. T3 frigs = NO
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2009.11.21 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Terranid Meester I would also like to be able to use the skillpoints I trained in missiles, to have a role in the Gallentean t3 frigate.
I would not. Gallente is not a missile race.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.21 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid
Originally by: Terranid Meester I would also like to be able to use the skillpoints I trained in missiles, to have a role in the Gallentean t3 frigate.
I would not. Gallente is not a missile race.
Celestis, Tristan and Nemesis prove you wrong. Oh and Ares too.
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Original Copy
Forge Regional Security
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Posted - 2010.01.12 06:19:00 -
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Needs some work, but decent as a starting point.
Finally, a ship class (just 4 ships!) that can find those annoying AFK/macro cloakers.
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Tornicks
Caldari U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:15:00 -
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I think some of the proposed bonuses are overpowered, but their ideas are good.
-- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:14:00 -
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what a load of crud. why do ppl who suggest ludicrously overpowered/untouchable ships seem to forget one obvious fact when they are sneakily asking for "their" solo pwn mobile ? OTHER PPL WILL BE ALLOWED TO FLY THIS SHIP (not just you) and the more untouchable you make it, the more others will fly it and you'll be wishing you'd never asked in the first place when everyone is uncatchable and pvp is a distant memory. idiot
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Tornicks
Caldari U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:26:00 -
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In fact the real idiots are those who, instead of properly reading posts which had clearly taken the OP some calculation and thought, start posting replies like "that is crap"/"you want that for yourself"/etc.
-- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Terranid Meester
Originally by: Zilberfrid
Originally by: Terranid Meester I would also like to be able to use the skillpoints I trained in missiles, to have a role in the Gallentean t3 frigate.
I would not. Gallente is not a missile race.
Celestis, Tristan and Nemesis prove you wrong. Oh and Ares too.
Let's discount the nemesis, that is needed for its role.
The other gallente ships that have a smear of missiles are massively hampered by their systems, I would hate to lose an offensive sub to something as caldari-like as missiles.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.01 01:41:00 -
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I'm starting to wonder if these tactical frigates will actually fill out a role that isn't filled out yet.
In response to OP's post: No thanks to the Covert Screen and the Interdiction Nullifier. One's an unneeded boost to gatecamping, and the other one is unnecessary for agile frigates. The current cruiser-sized version is already close to impossible to catch while paired with a covert cloak. Don't make the current covert ops frigates obsolete. ___
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.01 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tornicks In fact the real idiots are those who, instead of properly reading posts which had clearly taken the OP some calculation and thought, start posting replies like "that is crap"/"you want that for yourself"/etc.
the real idiots are those who cannot accept that this was my conclusion after fully reading and digesting the OP which had clearly taken some time and effort, but was actually still crap and i do think he wants an untouchable pvp frig, you did read his suggestions right ?
OP should shove a cloak on a dramiel **** off
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Tornicks
Caldari U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 23:21:00 -
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The true idiots are those who call the OP's ideas "crap" without documenting and defending their "thought" in a proper way, taking time for it like the OP did for their post. Didn't think I'd have to chew this for others to make it easier to understand.
-- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security High Treason Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.02 15:51:00 -
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TLDR Just one thing to note
It was a mistake to name T3 cruisers "strategic", so, for crying out loud, DO NOT repeat the mistake and name the frigates "tactical".
ALL ships in EVE are tactical. Ships are never strategic. Player behaviors are.
T3 ships are made of replaceable, selectable sections and should have been called "modular" or "polymorph" of "multiform" or something.
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2010.04.02 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shikagi Sitami
It may have to be tweaked, granted, as it is just a rough idea. A single ship, of the entire game, capable of eliminating those annoying AFK cloakers and cloaking macro ratters.
It never fails to make me smile when someone uses the "We must defeat the EVIL MACROS!" line to support their random proposal. I'm sure it won't be abused to make gatecamps even worse and lowsec even more impenetrable, no, no, it's all about killing macros.
Of course, since your T3 ships can't actually probe anything with that system (1% of sig radius won't even find a cloaked titan)....
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Tornicks
Caldari U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.04.04 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Iman Atheist TLDR Just one thing to note
It was a mistake to name T3 cruisers "strategic", so, for crying out loud, DO NOT repeat the mistake and name the frigates "tactical".
ALL ships in EVE are tactical. Ships are never strategic. Player behaviors are.
T3 ships are made of replaceable, selectable sections and should have been called "modular" or "polymorph" of "multiform" or something.
Agree.
-- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.07 23:28:00 -
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OP-
While everyone else is simply screaming "OMG overpowered!" I so appreciate your effort in trying to come up with some new and original ideas.
A few suggestions:
While I think it would be neat/cool to have a subsystem that finds cloaked ships, Having it installed on a frig, and a cloaking frig at that, won't work. As things currently stand my buddies and I can uncloak a cloaky ship fairly easily at a gate camp once they jump in. Allowing a module such as you suggest would simply make it impossible for any cloaked ship to run a gatecamp.
Your targeting rejector idea is a bit too powerful as well for a passive effect. Why not have a -95% reduction to ecm burst cap use, or something similar? -15% sig per level is really too much as well. I know it's good to ask for twice and get half of what you want, which is what I do all the time ;) Maybe I should stop doing that lol...
I might suggest a drone oriented subsystem?
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Tornicks
Caldari U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:26:00 -
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The insurance system overhaul will hopefully contribute to T III frigates (as well as other T III ships) being more viable to bring to PVP.
-- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.27 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Originally by: Shikagi Sitami
It may have to be tweaked, granted, as it is just a rough idea. A single ship, of the entire game, capable of eliminating those annoying AFK cloakers and cloaking macro ratters.
It never fails to make me smile when someone uses the "We must defeat the EVIL MACROS!" line to support their random proposal. I'm sure it won't be abused to make gatecamps even worse and lowsec even more impenetrable, no, no, it's all about killing macros.
Of course, since your T3 ships can't actually probe anything with that system (1% of sig radius won't even find a cloaked titan)....
Necro.
Nothing will defeat them, it will merely give people the ability to counter them, which as it stands now is impossible which is a major flaw in the game. Note that the OP said that this module would only work while the ship is cloaked which means it can't do anything to any target unless it decloaks itself and the target ship. At a gatecamp it could, say, identify a cloaked hauler/strat just before it warps away, or attempt to chase down a desperately cloaked Raven or industrial trying to sneak outside of bubble radius or back to the gate. (thus the increased cloaked speed option, it would seem). While cloaked it can see, and report, but cannot act.
As for scanning for cloaked ships at reduced signature... perhaps use the ship's full signature, but the T3 frig can only use specialized probes that have F/E a five minute cycle time or somesuch. Give it the ability, just don't make it easy/fast.
It's 4 individual frig hulls out of 250+ having a completely unique ability and I'm all in favor of that. Similarly, it seems that everybody's screaming about the OP wanting a special ship for his own needs, and that does not seem to be the case. He was just offering ideas; A turret-based bomber, a heavy hitting small frigate (which has since been pretty nulled by pirate frigate bonuses), ect ect.
Slightly overbalanced in some ways, but for some I think he was just looking for random ideas to fill the 4 available subsystem categories. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.05.27 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus ..I might suggest a drone oriented subsystem?
Have you seen what they are doing with the tournament prizes this time around?
As far as I am concerned that is about the level that T3 should have in power/performance when fitted for pure combat .. lots of slots with lots of damage!
@OP: Signature reduction on frigate hulls is a recipe for disaster. It's acceptable for Interceptors as they are generally rather flimsy and it only helps when using MWD's, but imagine a gank fitted AB T3 frigate with a 5-7m signature .. *shudder*. All in all they are nicely out of the box which is what I think is required in one form or another to prevent them from becoming more of the same (frigate class is pretty crowded as is )
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Cfiloruz Xilocient
Amarr Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:49:00 -
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just reply to OP without actually going trough all other proposals trolling and whatnot.
i started reading and looked.. hmm.. nice... and at some point it hit me
as a missioner all i could see is something like rr ninjasalvager gangs with 1500m3 cargo. ships that cant be propperly locked and have sig radius so small that people start fitting painters on rocket boats. Low skills and high standing IS a problem. |
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