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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:37:00 -
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As chest-beating, back-patting and other nonsense will undoubtedly fill up IGS in the next couple of hours, I'll simply say that today saw witness to perhaps the largest fight the four factions have ever seen. At the apex nearly 450 pilots swarmed around Kamela.
At the epicenter was Star Fraction's POS.
From the outset the Minmatar fleet had dedicated itself to what it does best -- hit-and-run guerilla tactics. We generally stayed away from the main battleship-heavy fight, choosing instead to beeswarm the system in dozens of frigates, interceptors, stealth bombers and cruisers.
Over a three hour time period we took part in what I can only describe as The Great Kamela Turkeyshoot. From the outset our fleet -- numbering nearly 100 -- spread out to planets, moons and asteroid belts around Kamela, and almost immediately as the POS came out of reinforced, targets began to rain. Battleships, battlecruisers, heavy interdictors, command ships all began to show up alone into the midsts of our swarms as they fled the fight and were descended upon with fury.
After three hours the full extend of the carnage was exposed. While Amarr and Caldari forces with their mercenary compatriots at their side brought down a POS worth several hundred million ISK, billions more fell to our guns -- no database seems able to accurately determine the extent but estimates guess approximately 100 ships were destroyed at the loss of about a dozen cheap Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Our efficiently easily tops 95%.
This is a point of view. While many will claim victory, I can claim that Minmatar forces were there and had a good time of it -- which is what we do better than anyone.
o7
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Bashiri
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:44:00 -
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Minmatar came with t1 frigates and got smack and then camp tuo gate for people getting into new ships. You pretty much let sf pos die and cap fleet die.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 01/11/2009 00:46:07 Keep dreaming Zvero, at least minmatars make the same mistakes and we win all the time.
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust As chest-beating, back-patting and other nonsense will undoubtedly fill up IGS in the next couple of hours, I'll simply say that today saw witness to perhaps the largest fight the four factions have ever seen. At the apex nearly 450 pilots swarmed around Kamela.
At the epicenter was Star Fraction's POS.
From the outset the Minmatar fleet had dedicated itself to what it does best -- hit-and-run guerilla tactics. We generally stayed away from the main battleship-heavy fight, choosing instead to beeswarm the system in dozens of frigates, interceptors, stealth bombers and cruisers.
Over a three hour time period we took part in what I can only describe as The Great Kamela Turkeyshoot. From the outset our fleet -- numbering nearly 100 -- spread out to planets, moons and asteroid belts around Kamela, and almost immediately as the POS came out of reinforced, targets began to rain. Battleships, battlecruisers, heavy interdictors, command ships all began to show up alone into the midsts of our swarms as they fled the fight and were descended upon with fury.
After three hours the full extend of the carnage was exposed. While Amarr and Caldari forces with their mercenary compatriots at their side brought down a POS worth several hundred million ISK, billions more fell to our guns -- no database seems able to accurately determine the extent but estimates guess approximately 100 ships were destroyed at the loss of about a dozen cheap Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Our efficiently easily tops 95%.
This is a point of view. While many will claim victory, I can claim that Minmatar forces were there and had a good time of it -- which is what we do better than anyone.
o7
Gasp that sure sounds like chest beating and back-patting... the irony. GF all.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.11.01 01:24:00 -
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Ahh the battle was glorious. Now i understand the Minmatar tactic
Our goal was to destory the Star Fraction POS and their capital fleet, secondary goal was to destory any other enemy forces. Our main goal was accomplished, the Star Fraction POS and 7-9 (roughly) of their capitals fell under the combined forces of Caldari/Amarr fleet (which has no captial support at all). As killmails and losses are still being posted i am unable to give an estimate of who died.
Cry Havoc appeared to assist us also which almsot noone knew about, we orginally considered them an enemy on the field there to assist SF but they seemed to shoot both sides, obviously some of their pilots failed there and killed some of our ships but oh well.
R.E.P.O appeared to assist Star Fraction, while Minmatar initially warped in a fleet of mostly cruisers and down at 400ish km, we killed some of their small stuff as it burned towards us before they all warped out.
From what Zvero said the minmatar instead of entering the battle to assist SF spread out all over system, a very immpressive tactic to be honest, they took down many ships retreating or turning around to come back to battle as mine was, something no-one expected.
However, to be completly honest at one point, as we started to attack the first SF carrier, a Nid, i thought we would be unable to break its strong tank. At that point had the minmatar warped in their gang, i am 90% confident SF would not have lost its carriers and the combined forces would have destoryed us completly. Instead the Minmatar were content picking off many stragglers and whatnot, honestly in my opinion this cost Star Fraction their capitals.
All in all, Minmatar won by stratagy in terms of ships killed vs ships lost because they decided to not fight directly. This costed SF billions in ship losses and overall completed our goal for the night. I suppose the minmatar can claim some victory but they did not stop us from achieving our mission, and for that they also failed.
---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone No.Mercy
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.11.01 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bashiri Minmatar came with t1 frigates and got smack and then camp tuo gate for people getting into new ships. You pretty much let sf pos die and cap fleet die.
While you Amarr might be happy to shoot at POSes and play who sank my battle ship, we on the other hand like to hunt and kill things. While no single killboard is ever accurate Minmatar's frig/cruiser fleet tore you guys up I think it's safe to say.
In fact it appears the Amarrian kill board has gone into data disarray, likely due to the massive amount of losses being posted at this very minute.
Due too faulty internet space ship communications, I was not on our fleets voice and choose to harass people at the Kamela station in my trusty nano fit Arbitrator. Regardless, I was constantly seeing fleet members triple x's with reports of a BS tackled here or there and seeing the reports of many Amarrian/Caldri and Merc ships dieing at the hands of our meager t1 frigs and cruisers.
As it stands right now, Minmatar's T1 frigs and cruisers killed 89 Amarr/Caldri ships including pods, while losing only 14 rust buckets to the Amarr.
Caldri's KB shows roughly 10 kills against the Minmatar a few of which were Reaper noob ships. Ironically enough Caldri shows almost as many kills against their fellow Amarr allies as they show aginst Minmatar.
I guess we should thank them for being the opportunists that they are.
Anyway, GF and thanks for giving our guys something to shoot at. Was nice to see a nice battle in my last day(s) in Militia.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:27:00 -
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Mutnin minmatar miltia couldnt possibly killed that many battleships couse thats all bs we had and when we left the battlfield me and another bs pilots were alive. Of course we lost a lot of battleships. But definitely not much. And is different by kills done by minmatar militia solo or if some random minmatar got a lucky shot in them iddle of the battle on someone. Its a huge difference.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:29:00 -
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Hm.
While Star Fraction falls, Matari forces claim victory.
With friends like you, who needs enemies? -------
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Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
After three hours the full extend of the carnage was exposed. While Amarr and Caldari forces with their mercenary compatriots at their side brought down a POS worth several hundred million ISK, billions more fell to our guns -- no database seems able to accurately determine the extent but estimates guess approximately 100 ships were destroyed at the loss of about a dozen cheap Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Our efficiently easily tops 95%.
Currently your own killboards state 47 kills and 7 losses in the main chunk of the battle
---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone No.Mercy
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn While Star Fraction falls
Let's not get carried away.
Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting |
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fffuuu
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn Hm.
While Star Fraction falls, Matari forces claim victory.
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Been back to Kamela V Moon 1 lately?
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Captain Vaguy
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:07:00 -
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First, Fausy post - bang on
Minmi Militia 100 kills to 11 losses - epic
Finally, to see the pos back up within an hour - Priceless
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fatmanpaul
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:08:00 -
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I think the point for us poor FW folk is we had fun today. We did what FW does point and shoot. Star Fraction said go do your own thing. We did it. Thanks for the good times. Lets do it again. The POS is back up lets wash and repeat. But please please someone get CCP to reinforce the nod.
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Eeevelone
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:08:00 -
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If the amarr had any sense ,they`d comit suicide and call it a day
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zverofaust on 01/11/2009 03:11:43
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
Originally by: Zverofaust
After three hours the full extend of the carnage was exposed. While Amarr and Caldari forces with their mercenary compatriots at their side brought down a POS worth several hundred million ISK, billions more fell to our guns -- no database seems able to accurately determine the extent but estimates guess approximately 100 ships were destroyed at the loss of about a dozen cheap Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Our efficiently easily tops 95%.
Currently your own killboards state 47 kills and 7 losses in the main chunk of the battle
Perhaps you should check again.
Those 47 are simply leftover kills we've had since the battle. So I guess you could say we killed over 150 and lost about 20. :)
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 01/11/2009 03:12:22
Originally by: Nur AlHuda Mutnin minmatar miltia couldnt possibly killed that many battleships couse thats all bs we had and when we left the battlfield me and another bs pilots were alive. Of course we lost a lot of battleships. But definitely not much. And is different by kills done by minmatar militia solo or if some random minmatar got a lucky shot in them iddle of the battle on someone. Its a huge difference.
I didn't say we killed that many BS's just that many ships in total during the bulk of the fighting. There is actually more as there has been quite a few kills in the system after the main battle but this was the bulk of it.
http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=83726
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Ablivian
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:12:00 -
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Ammar u guys think u won ur objective but umm, go check the pos please LOL we knew what we were doing and we did come out victorius your objective failed, completely u just lost ships and sf did lose some, i'm not gona say it was complete victory, very true but they told us to do wat we did from wat i understand it was a strategical move to wipe out any reinforcements you guys might have had so sf could have killed more and lived. And in the end the pos is there soo ummmm ammar = total fail.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: fatmanpaul I think the point for us poor FW folk is we had fun today. We did what FW does point and shoot. Star Fraction said go do your own thing. We did it. Thanks for the good times. Lets do it again. The POS is back up lets wash and repeat. But please please someone get CCP to reinforce the nod.
This to be honest. I'll be the first to admit that I hate the big blobs with a passion, but I did have fun chasing things around today playing hit and run with 500 people in local. I was personally in the wrong ship set up though, as I had several kills get away because I set my Arbi up as a make due fleet support ship and had no tackle.
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Captain Vaguy
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:20:00 -
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oh and i forgot to mention...minmi militia held the field o7
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 01/11/2009 03:26:00
Originally by: Zverofaust Edited by: Zverofaust on 01/11/2009 03:11:43
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
Originally by: Zverofaust
After three hours the full extend of the carnage was exposed. While Amarr and Caldari forces with their mercenary compatriots at their side brought down a POS worth several hundred million ISK, billions more fell to our guns -- no database seems able to accurately determine the extent but estimates guess approximately 100 ships were destroyed at the loss of about a dozen cheap Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Our efficiently easily tops 95%.
Currently your own killboards state 47 kills and 7 losses in the main chunk of the battle
Perhaps you should check again.
Those 47 are simply leftover kills we've had since the battle. So I guess you could say we killed over 150 and lost about 20. :)
I count as 4 of that 20 i think. But i was not in the main fleet since it was full i was jumping into the thick of the Blob on the POS going after whatever i could.
Edit: my deaths dont show up on that one I was fighting at the POS itself.
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Vibora BR
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Ahh the battle was glorious. Now i understand the Minmatar tactic
Our goal was to destory the Star Fraction POS and their capital fleet, secondary goal was to destory any other enemy forces. Our main goal was accomplished, the Star Fraction POS and 7-9 (roughly) of their capitals fell under the combined forces of Caldari/Amarr fleet (which has no captial support at all). As killmails and losses are still being posted i am unable to give an estimate of who died.
Cry Havoc appeared to assist us also which almsot noone knew about, we orginally considered them an enemy on the field there to assist SF but they seemed to shoot both sides, obviously some of their pilots failed there and killed some of our ships but oh well.
R.E.P.O appeared to assist Star Fraction, while Minmatar initially warped in a fleet of mostly cruisers and down at 400ish km, we killed some of their small stuff as it burned towards us before they all warped out.
From what Zvero said the minmatar instead of entering the battle to assist SF spread out all over system, a very immpressive tactic to be honest, they took down many ships retreating or turning around to come back to battle as mine was, something no-one expected.
However, to be completly honest at one point, as we started to attack the first SF carrier, a Nid, i thought we would be unable to break its strong tank. At that point had the minmatar warped in their gang, i am 90% confident SF would not have lost its carriers and the combined forces would have destoryed us completly. Instead the Minmatar were content picking off many stragglers and whatnot, honestly in my opinion this cost Star Fraction their capitals.
All in all, Minmatar won by stratagy in terms of ships killed vs ships lost because they decided to not fight directly. This costed SF billions in ship losses and overall completed our goal for the night. I suppose the minmatar can claim some victory but they did not stop us from achieving our mission, and for that they also failed.
Nice post with good points, but I don't think we could have changed the results of the battle.
We did a guerrilla tactics that was very successful and I am pretty sure helped a lot SF, because many BSs that warp out have never come back.
So my word is, great battle for all involved.
And please next time ask CCP to reinforce the node.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:32:00 -
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Hmm minmatar dreaming at its finest. But hey guys we can take you for your word but next time minmatar miltia should drop 8 caps and show Star Fraction how it is done properly :)
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Rick Wensbane
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Mutnin minmatar miltia couldnt possibly killed that many battleships couse thats all bs we had and when we left the battlfield me and another bs pilots were alive...
*checks the internal Tribal Liberation Force records*
I can't speak for the rest of the Minmatar Militia, but my personal records show that I was involved in the destruction of the following Amarr/Caldari ships:
11 Battleships (including 2 of the Abaddon class). 8 Battlecruisers. 5 Cruisers. 4 Heavy Interdictors (including 2 of the Onyx class). 2 Heavy Assault Cruisers. 2 Assault Frigates 2 Frigates. 2 Logistics Support Cruisers. 2 Capsules. 1 Force Recon Cruiser. 1 Interceptor.
Plus a few others that have not yet been registered. A total of approximately 40 kills, within three hours.
On the other hand, my losses were: A lot of Hybrid ammunition and one of my beloved Hammerhead drones. "He" will be missed... *pretends to cry*
But even with that terrible loss I'd say it was worth it. Also, I know for a fact that, since I was is a Vexor class Cruiser, I missed at least half of our engagements. Those of us in more maneuverable ships, with more powerful Scan Resolutions, obviously did a lot better. With that in mind, I'm guessing that the Minmatar reports which indicate the destruction of approximately 100 enemy ships, in and around the Kamela system, are, in fact, a lot more accurate than some would care to admit!
Perhaps the Tribal Liberation Force could have done things differently, but I believe we played to our strengths and followed our initial orders vigorously. By doing so, we were rewarded with one of the highest efficiency rates I have ever seen!
I know that some of our allies have sacrificed a lot today and for that you have my deepest admiration and respect, but I simply cannot see this as a bad day for the Minmatar Militia as a whole. Plus, we got to fight alongside the Gallente Militia. That can only be a good sign.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:39:00 -
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Agreed, I did enjoy spending time in a combined fleet with the Gallente. That hasn't happened in a long time. Our two groups seemed to get along great and there was talk of co-operation in the future.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.01 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn Hm. While Star Fraction falls, Matari forces claim victory. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
I wasn't with the Free Captains in space in Kamela today. If I had been I suspect I'd have lost another Archon class carrier in the Matari cause fallen against our foes. I'm sure I'll lose another in the weeks to come. But that really underlines something that I think many of our enemies are missing.
We didn't declare Operation Castrato eleven months ago for glory and easy victories. We didn't relocate our alliance to Arzad and then Kamela to skirt around the verges of a fight without taking risks and standing in harms way when the moment comes.
We are aware of the impact we've made and the extreme discomfort our presence brings to 24th Crusade commander in this warzone and hence the current siege of Kamela and attempt to remove the Fraction presence from supporting the Matari cause.
Today the Free Captains stood in harms way and paid a heavy price which brought victory to the Matari Fighters and a much needed boost to confidence and morale to our allies. With our courage and our crews we held the line and showed that the blood of heroes is needed in Kamela.
We took the brunt of the damage and returned to the field.
This evening we have replaced the destroyed tower without further incident. Space and Freedom II was raised with hours of the loss with help from our comrades in the TLF and the "breach in the walls" of Fortress Kamela is mended once again.
War continues.
We pledge our camaraderie to the Matari people and look forward to the next battles.
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.11.01 06:21:00 -
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Jesus, what does it take to get a little respect from you fools? We brought the fight to you, going negative sec status to sink your POS and 9 carriers, and still, you claim victory. Unbelievable. Of course the war continues, but the battle was definitely WON.
-------------------------------------------------- Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.01 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas Jesus, what does it take to get a little respect from you fools? We brought the fight to you, going negative sec status to sink your POS and 9 carriers, and still, you claim victory. Unbelievable. Of course the war continues, but the battle was definitely WON.
It is a victory for Amarr.
You do not serve Amarr to gain the 'respect' of the Star Fraction.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.01 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Teinyhr on 01/11/2009 10:54:26 Edited by: Teinyhr on 01/11/2009 10:54:03
Originally by: Theophilas Jesus, what does it take to get a little respect from you fools? We brought the fight to you, going negative sec status to sink your POS and 9 carriers, and still, you claim victory. Unbelievable. Of course the war continues, but the battle was definitely WON.
There are two kinds of battles: Those who are fought on the field, and those who are fought in the hearts of men. I can personally vouch for participating in the destruction of at least four 24th Crusade battleships and so many of smaller hull classes of both of the Crusade and State Protectorate I dare not even count. Should be needless to say, Minmatar Militia delivered a blow to the Amarr counterpart, in terms of money, manpower and effort wasted, likes of which have rarely seen before and I doubt will be seen in the near future. In the hearts of our people, we won.
I offer my respect for the Star Fraction, and hope our decimation of the Amarr fleet lessened your strife at least a little. ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice. |
Cariox
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Posted - 2009.11.01 11:17:00 -
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Nice and interesting propaganda topic. Just for the statistics. We accomplished our goal and killed 5-1 faction tower (yes, i know 2 hours later blablubb), we killed a SF capital fleet, we killed a ****load of BS and BC. On the other hand we lost lots of BS and looots of smaller stuff to Minnies which were camping the gates. Yeah youŠre right, SF & Minnies won that fight....oh wait...
btw, i really donŠt like SF because of different reasons, for example the ****posting of Jade, but i have to thank you for this great fight yesterday :)
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RaveNight
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bashiri Minmatar came with t1 frigates and got smack and then camp tuo gate for people getting into new ships. You pretty much let sf pos die and cap fleet die.
The Minmatar had no obligation to do such. They killed a lot of you, though.
Hey! The Caldari showed up!
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