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Calistah Dari
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:11:00 -
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As we all know, some level 5 agents may give missions in hi-sec systems. Are the rumors true that CCP will be changing this so that every mission is lo-sec? And if so, when?
(PS - I've tried the search function with limited success so no flame please.)
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:18:00 -
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No one has stated when this change will happen - or even that it will for certain.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Contralto
Guts Gears and Glory Inc
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:33:00 -
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This is the Dev post that started the rumor!
Just means its on their radar.
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Actumarius
Caldari Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:24:00 -
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A welcome fix!
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Lady Aja
Caldari Interspatial Logistics Rogue Elements.
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Actumarius A welcome fix!
Very much so... and to the OP.. sounds like Dec 1st maybe? if you was not reading this right now? what would you be doing instead of reading my sig?
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:14:00 -
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Is absolutely necessary to make ALL level 5Ęs in low sec! Sooner better.
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YouEatLard
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: YouEatLard on 02/11/2009 00:04:19
Originally by: Tian Nu Is absolutely necessary to make ALL level 5Ęs in low sec! Sooner better.
I'm hoping you meant highsec.
Mmm, why? If I want to go for highest isk possible per kill, why would I bother with missions if I don't mind lowsec?
If someone wants to make isk in lowsec/0.0, isn't it just as well to go ratting on gates, belts, or worm holes? You know hunting, in a situation where the rats probably wont be jamming, scrambling, and/or webbing (making you the easiest possible target)? Sure, your rats may do some of this, but it's nothing compared to that which you'll come across in a mission.
This is what has made level 5 missions broken for the longest time. Lets think for a second. Why would anyone want to do a mission which can and will make them a sitting duck for the rats + entire universe + dog to gank? "But Eve is a PvP game blah blah blah." Sure, thats why people who live in lowsec/0.0 MOSTLY rat or mine for isk farming rather then do level 5 missions. I know, I'm inviting a flame here, but whatever. Living in 0.0, I never even considered doing a level 5. It's just to risky, and even more so now with everyone and their dog getting scanning skills for anomalies and worm holes.
Level 5 missions in high sec will be a welcome (and long overdue) fix.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:24:00 -
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Um, Level 5s now are only issued in low-sec, and the mission itself will spawn in high sec occasionally under the right circumstances. As quoted above, a dev has said that 5s spawning in high sec isn't going to last forever (no time frame given at all, so not sure where Dec 1 came from??).
So if you honestly think 5s are getting 'fixed' to spawn in high sec and are rooting for the change, you absolutely fail at thread comprehension.
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YouEatLard
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
So if you honestly think 5s are getting 'fixed' to spawn in high sec and are rooting for the change, you absolutely fail at thread comprehension.
To be honest, I don't know about all of that. This has really been an on going thing since the level 5's came out. People cry for highsec level 5's and then get flamed to death. Every now and then I post on one hoping that some day CCP will make it happen.
I'd just like to see highsec agents the spawn regular highsec missions (like we currently see int level 4's). Think it would even out the population heavy level 4 systems as well.
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SCGhozt
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:11:00 -
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well i totally agree with YouEatLard. i mean i'm still a noob in every way really (only 7milsp) and my goal was to do level 5 missions once i could pilot a carrier(in a few years...) but then i hear that carriers CAN be warpscramble too making a carrier just a big target... i just got really disapointed when i hear that....
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.02 05:58:00 -
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I have a carrier and run lvl5's in low sec, so far no one has even tried to probe me out cause let's face it, a carrier is not easy to take down even with npc aggro. Also, it's far away from any high sec space and so there really aren't that many people out there to start with.
There are many things wrong with the design of lvl5's but them being mostly in low sec is not one of them. I support that dev's belief they should be low/null sec only. Content in high sec should have lower rewards than more dangerous areas. If low risk areas also had better rewards, then you might as well delete the more dangerous areas from the server. Some people rat in low sec but the income from that is not very good compared to missioning and it's far more dangerous than running a mission since people don't even have to probe you out to get you.
Lvl5's are a very worthwhile way to make some money in low sec, I make 80-100M isk an hour running them with my carrier. I mostly pirate so that's a part time thing, I run 5-6 missions a week on average and spend the rest of the time pirating. The lvl5 agents I use are in a totally different region from where I typically pirate so no, my corp does not control the area. I simply pay attention and fit my carrier for a fight in the off chance I actually get one. -----------------------------------------------------
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.11.02 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I have a carrier and run lvl5's in low sec, so far no one has even tried to probe me out cause let's face it, a carrier is not easy to take down even with npc aggro. Also, it's far away from any high sec space and so there really aren't that many people out there to start with.
Lvl5's are a very worthwhile way to make some money in low sec, I make 80-100M isk an hour running them with my carrier. I mostly pirate so that's a part time thing, I run 5-6 missions a week on average and spend the rest of the time pirating. The lvl5 agents I use are in a totally different region from where I typically pirate so no, my corp does not control the area. I simply pay attention and fit my carrier for a fight in the off chance I actually get one.
I am a low sec pirate, my alliance does control the local lvl 5 agent and we do probe out looking for carrier kills. We also run lvl 5 missions in carriers but that is not needed.
You can run the lvl 5's in BS + support ship so that the cyno does not tip off that there is a capital in the system.
And a carrier or dread is more of a corp asset and not some solo play thing.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:02:00 -
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A carrier is just another ship, I bought mine with the tears, loot and ransoms of carebears. Ok, the carebear I bought it from didn't accept the tears but the isk from loot and ransoms he liked. Regardless, the ship is a personal asset for me. Some corps do things differently but DoV is a straight capitalist corp. There are no hand outs, you buy a ship for yourself and we don't reimburse jack.
My corp has had little trips to lvl5 mission hubs and taken them over but after a few weeks the kills dry up so we move on. Obviously we did run some missions there while in the area but meh, I like my spot better. You can run lvl5's in low sec reasonably safely in either a fleet of BS's or a carrier. The key is knowing how to not get caught. This includes the most basic precaution like not flying in a system full of hostiles. -----------------------------------------------------
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2009.11.02 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar The key is knowing how to not get caught. .
true, though not every one in eve's gametime can play in low sec and so loads of eve's content/fun passes those who in my opinion have the right ( as paying customers ) for the same amount of that content/fun.
This does not have anything to do with being or now being a carebear but that real life's does interfere on the most horrible moments so it is just plain stupid to fly into low sec.
Missions should be divided in low and high sec, also the lvl5's, with the only difference of payout of bounties and rewards.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:13:00 -
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Oh real life does interfere. I was ransoming a player once and had to go afk for 5 minutes in the middle of it. When I got back my ship was thankfully still alive and I continued the ransom after apologizing for having to go afk. I try to match the risk of my activities with how likely I am to have a real life interference but obviously there are surprises at times. It's just a game and as has been said many times, don't fly what you can't afford to lose or atleast do without. That holds true for privately owned capital ships. -----------------------------------------------------
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar Oh real life does interfere. I was ransoming a player once and had to go afk for 5 minutes in the middle of it. When I got back my ship was thankfully still alive and I continued the ransom after apologizing for having to go afk. I try to match the risk of my activities with how likely I am to have a real life interference but obviously there are surprises at times. It's just a game and as has been said many times, don't fly what you can't afford to lose or atleast do without. That holds true for privately owned capital ships.
It does not have anything to do with dont fly what you cant afford to lose, I played low sec in the years I am in this game and when you spending more time getting ships fitted then playing the game something aint right, like dying 10 time in a day as rl shows it ugly head time and time again. Then you have to change the play style a bit but eve should provide the content of this game also in this.
And by moving all what is interesting to low sec aint that.
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Athamai
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Posted - 2009.11.04 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sinistro
Originally by: King Rothgar The key is knowing how to not get caught. .
true, though not every one in eve's gametime can play in low sec and so loads of eve's content/fun passes those who in my opinion have the right ( as paying customers ) for the same amount of that content/fun.
Actually no, it doesn't. I don't play enough to deserve a titan, and if someone plays 1 hour/week doing missions they shouldn't get a LP welfare titan. Having things inaccessible to casual players is actually kind of fun... It means there's almost always something to accomplish or something neat to see.
This is where wow went horridly wrong. When everyone is in full epics they are no longer epics... They are common.
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.04 22:41:00 -
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Level 5Ęs in high sec is just STUPID and for HOMOSEXUALS!
EvE is not made for you to grind isk for ever and then sell them!
I play on this character from 2008 and own already all command ships + CNR and mach faction fit + phat isk wallet so what now?
The goal in EvE is to spend you phat isk in FW, or some kind of pvp.
Lvl 5Ęs give way to much LP, if you want them in high sec well let do this:
Make all lvl 5Ęs in high sec but give same LP as lvl 4s, now if you need missions for the trill then you can chose to go to lvl 5Ęs.
As stated before is to be spend, so stop looking for easy ways to gather them.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2009.11.04 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: RC Denton on 04/11/2009 22:54:44
Originally by: Calistah Dari As we all know, some level 5 agents may give missions in hi-sec systems. Are the rumors true that CCP will be changing this so that every mission is lo-sec? And if so, when?
(PS - I've tried the search function with limited success so no flame please.)
Go go un-probable t3 lvl 5 mission runner
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: RC Denton Edited by: RC Denton on 04/11/2009 22:54:44
Originally by: Calistah Dari As we all know, some level 5 agents may give missions in hi-sec systems. Are the rumors true that CCP will be changing this so that every mission is lo-sec? And if so, when?
(PS - I've tried the search function with limited success so no flame please.)
Go go un-probable t3 lvl 5 mission runner
just how exactly are you tanking (neutralizing proof) 2-3k dps AND doing enough damage AND being unprobable? I'd very much like to know! -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tian Nu on 04/11/2009 23:09:13
Originally by: adriaans
Originally by: RC Denton Edited by: RC Denton on 04/11/2009 22:54:44
Originally by: Calistah Dari As we all know, some level 5 agents may give missions in hi-sec systems. Are the rumors true that CCP will be changing this so that every mission is lo-sec? And if so, when?
(PS - I've tried the search function with limited success so no flame please.)
Go go un-probable t3 lvl 5 mission runner
just how exactly are you tanking (neutralizing proof) 2-3k dps AND doing enough damage AND being unprobable? I'd very much like to know!
vulture jump in agro sec ship jump in for dps.
or fly ishtar i hear ppl do ok whith them.
PS ; why ppl fly tangu ? I mean vulture whith pith tank beter.
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Pother
The Orange Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tian Nu Level 5Ęs in high sec is just STUPID and for HOMOSEXUALS!
EvE is not made for you to grind isk for ever and then sell them!
I play on this character from 2008 and own already all command ships + CNR and mach faction fit + phat isk wallet so what now?
The goal in EvE is to spend you phat isk in FW, or some kind of pvp.
Lvl 5Ęs give way to much LP, if you want them in high sec well let do this:
Make all lvl 5Ęs in high sec but give same LP as lvl 4s, now if you need missions for the trill then you can chose to go to lvl 5Ęs.
As stated before is to be spend, so stop looking for easy ways to gather them.
Wow, really? Is this supposed to be taken seriously, or did you plan on sounding like an idiot?
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:32:00 -
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100% serious! What you donĘt like about it?
We got:
1, caldari cosmos that make crazy isk 2, over paid lvl 4Ęs 3, epic ark 4, plex scanning 5, macro miners 6, lvl 5Ęs 7, trading 8, making thinks
I play on 3 accounts all paid until may 2010 whit GTC paid with isk made in game. EvE is one of the most content out to day mmo, and even with zillion thinks to do and zillion ways to make isk there is always morons that cry.
Why make lvl 5Ęs in high sec? So you hommos carebears can grind isk for ever and make money selling them?
I really donĘt see any reason why will someone want lvl 5Ęs in high sec if not for that. If you canĘt do low sec donĘt go, there is zillions of ways of making money elseą
I hope they make them in 0.0 that will be the best!
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2009.11.05 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 04/11/2009 23:09:13
Originally by: adriaans
Originally by: RC Denton Edited by: RC Denton on 04/11/2009 22:54:44
Originally by: Calistah Dari As we all know, some level 5 agents may give missions in hi-sec systems. Are the rumors true that CCP will be changing this so that every mission is lo-sec? And if so, when?
(PS - I've tried the search function with limited success so no flame please.)
Go go un-probable t3 lvl 5 mission runner
just how exactly are you tanking (neutralizing proof) 2-3k dps AND doing enough damage AND being unprobable? I'd very much like to know!
vulture jump in agro sec ship jump in for dps.
or fly ishtar i hear ppl do ok whith them.
PS ; why ppl fly tangu ? I mean vulture whith pith tank beter.
''Go go un-probable t3 lvl 5 mission runner'' the bolded part was what i was interested in, as far as i know you cant be unprobable AND have the needed neutralized proof 2-3k tank AND have enough damage.
(Not counting using more than 1 ship ofc, but as i understood the person meant one ship) -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.05 02:14:00 -
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I donĘt know what lvl 5Ęs you do? The low and one give 50000 LP! Now that 10x lvl 4ös (on average). Price goes up because ppl pay for the items. Look at T3 at beginning and now.
If you are not getting 50k LP per run change the agent, do you think it will be fair to give that kind reward in high sec?
If so who will ever run lvl 4Ęs again?
You statement on pvp founding is not something that we are all doing? That the real fun part pvp.
Apart from 10% player base you think ppl enjoy running stupid missions which is just the same think over and overą bring lvl 5 in high sec = more isk sellers and no fun for pirates to chase the lvl 5Ęs runners.
Get the lvl 5Ęs in 0.0 CCP that the right way, so not only you can get scaned but you get extra trill from bubles.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2009.11.05 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: adriaans on 05/11/2009 02:36:49
Originally by: Tian Nu I donĘt know what lvl 5Ęs you do? The low and one give 50000 LP! Now that 10x lvl 4ös (on average). Price goes up because ppl pay for the items. Look at T3 at beginning and now.
If you are not getting 50k LP per run change the agent, do you think it will be fair to give that kind reward in high sec?
If so who will ever run lvl 4Ęs again?
You statement on pvp founding is not something that we are all doing? That the real fun part pvp.
Apart from 10% player base you think ppl enjoy running stupid missions which is just the same think over and overą bring lvl 5 in high sec = more isk sellers and no fun for pirates to chase the lvl 5Ęs runners.
Get the lvl 5Ęs in 0.0 CCP that the right way, so not only you can get scaned but you get extra trill from bubles.
i get 70k LP on average per lvl 5, never said one got crap LP. And yes i think the rewards are fair, the isk comes pretty much from LP alone while in lvl 4's LP is only a small margin.
Lvl 5's ARE already in high sec so to speak, i dont see ANY huwefhowf named guys running them as you see lots of with lvl 4's... isk sellers yeah right... they'd die, end of story.
and no, i dont know anyone who runs missions enjoys it, but it's the most reliable way to get isk to FUND pvp which = FUN. point is, lvl 5's ARE the most fun -missions-, much more so than lvl 4's.
Me thinks you're just someone that doesn't want to fight REAL pvp'ers that may actually pose a threat to you and just gank more carebears.
If lvl 5's are changed to not give lvl 5 missions anymore, then honestly pretty much no-one (with a few tiny exceptions) will do them (because seriously, as a pvp'er who only uses pve as a means to support my rather reckless pvp habits i know how easy it is to scan down missions, afterall ransoms = easy isk for more pvp)(takes my alt 15 seconds or so to scan down a missioning battleship), which IMO would be a loss as they were at least somewhat interesting compared to booring lvl 4's... (I would not mind them adding pirate lvl 5 agents in 0.0 though (note: add, not move)).
/me is now sleeping, no more from me until i wake up -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Tian Nu
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Posted - 2009.11.05 07:03:00 -
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Maybe I explained it wrong.
Ok another attempt.
About isk resellers:
They are there and will always be there I guess is part of the EvE, whatever we can do to fck them up there is always something they will do to come back. But there is huge diff between giving them lvl 4Ęs and just handing them lvl 5Ęs on silver plate.
But let pretend they donĘt exist.
What changes did you see in EvE from 2005 ?
This is what I seen: 1, more friendly learning path for new player 2, grow in the player db 3, CCP try to bring more players in to pvp
Lvl 5Ęs are part of the CCP plot to get us all go BOOM.
I believe that the future of EvE is in pvp, many cry about FW but I mean common almost every day there is 100 vs 100 man fights, jump in ship and you can find target almost every jump.
Lvl 5Ęs are much harder that the lvl 4Ęs are, CCP intended to give mission runners little something extra and I believe it fits in the low sec and not in high sec, as part of the story.
If I was to say anything it will be more of FW, for example I started doing them but realized hay not that big of reward for missions that I can be shoot by everyone (yeah they are not in high sec) + I pop up beacon every time I open one for every blind one to see. Every time is at least 8 jumps away.
So yeah if something need to be done is get the FW missions boosted risk vs. reward (I know LP items require less LP (is not really the case ex is the implants same money and same LP as normal lvl 4Ęs) that not balanced.
But pls donĘt give ppl way to grind isk to death we already got that in lvl 4Ęs.
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Marxam
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Posted - 2009.11.05 09:35:00 -
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You know maybe they could put lvl 5s in both low null and high, and to make it so the whinny low sec and null sec babies dont cry because idk, maybe they are afraid that high sec peeps will get same ships as them, lower the lp acquired to maybe half. I would think that lvl 5s would be in high sec cause mission running is usually done in high sec BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO GET PROBED!!!!! lol if u r in low sec null sec you can go pvp mine whatever thats what low null sec is for but missions ideally would be for high sec so you dont get boned and go crap when u see a fleet of marauders, assaults and heavy assaults pop in to say hi.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Marxam You know maybe they could put lvl 5s in both low null and high, and to make it so the whinny low sec and null sec babies dont cry because idk, maybe they are afraid that high sec peeps will get same ships as them, lower the lp acquired to maybe half. I would think that lvl 5s would be in high sec cause mission running is usually done in high sec BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO GET PROBED!!!!! lol if u r in low sec null sec you can go pvp mine whatever thats what low null sec is for but missions ideally would be for high sec so you dont get boned and go crap when u see a fleet of marauders, assaults and heavy assaults pop in to say hi.
if lvl 5 missiosn were made hi sec only and vs opposing factions and no npc pirates. ( only way they should be in 0.5 or higher) I would be stealing tags like mad. while a mate salvaged lol if you was not reading this right now? what would you be doing instead of reading my sig?
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clixor
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:11:00 -
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the whole problem with L5's being situated in lo-sec is that you are fit for PvE and not PVP. When you're doing L5's you might as well change your ship's name to 'doing l5 gank me' .
Why not make 'islands' of hi-sec in 0.0 where l5 agents are located? If you want to do L5's you would be forced to travel some distance, but at least you can fit your ship properly for PvP.
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