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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:56:00 -
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I am running two characters against level 4 missions. I am wondering what the most effective mission combo is these days.
I was thinking maybe running a DPS Golem and a tanked Dominix to act as main tank, but I was wondering if maybe a Damnation or some command ship with an uber perma running tank might be better to main tank with than a Domi and maybe something like a CNR rather than a Golem. Thoughts?
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.11.02 02:06:00 -
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If your willing to throw isk at it, a golem can perma tank over 2000 dps, ie a lot more than a domi. A command ship can run good tank, but its not going to give as much tank and dps as a golem with crystal set and deadspace fit.
If run in amarr space, then a golem with torps probably better as gives more dps. For second ship the domi gives a good amount of flexibility being able to bring good drone support, plus more dps than a cruise missile boat (if you fit its highs) and the faction domi will run a 6th 350mm rail (for good long range and anything large closer). Can always run 2nd golem with torps for more overkill.
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Rugose
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Posted - 2009.11.02 03:24:00 -
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RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that man who has money to spend on Golem but can't solo all L4 mission bought too much character to handle.
RUUUUGOSE! I AM BOTH SQUAMOUS AND RUGOSE |
Liadan Khanum
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:34:00 -
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Torp Golem and sentry Ishtar work very well for any pocket you can get some distance for the Ishtar. it can then draw agro while the golem intercepts anything that gets too close.
The Ishtar has both a shield transfer and remote armor repper for the drones, plus a tractor and salvager to help after the rats are gone too.
The Ishtar is somewhat to very afk, while the golem does require some care due to active shield tank.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rugose RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that man who has money to spend on Golem but can't solo all L4 mission bought too much character to handle.
RUUUUGOSE!
While I agree, with the bit about buying overly skilled characters = bad, it may not be the case here.
Running 2 characters in a mission doesn't necessarily mean you CAN'T solo it, it might just be that you want to get through your missions quicker - I run 2 characters in missions......sure I COULD solo them, but with limited game time, I want my ISK fast so I can get back to the real game.
OP - I generally run a Raven and a Domi, mostly because I'm too cheap to invest in a Golem/CNR - this pair does quite a good job of getting through missions quickly.
The Raven has damage flexibility through missile choice and a remote repper can top up the Domi's tank if it needs it (rare - usually because I've sone something stupid like forgotten to turn on the hardeners early enough).
The Domi provides a great tank and drones for extra DPS. When the Faction Domi comes out, I might take a look, but again, I'm probably too cheap to fork out and would rather spend my ISK elsewhere. A remote shield repper is fitted for emergencies, like the Domi getting aggro from a spawn.
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Geezelbub
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Posted - 2009.11.02 05:33:00 -
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I run two characters also, but as I am too busy training my supporting skills up to max instead of BS, I use two smaller ships. I usually fly my command character in a shield tanked Myrmidon with a Gyro Stabbed Hurricane for some more DPS. T2 Projectiles on both the Myrm and the Hurri, Sentry's on the Myrm and an assortment of Small and Med drones on the Hurri.
Works quite well, and each ship has one salvager fitted also so I can salvage the high isk wrecks as I go.
Ninja this
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Rogan Sarl
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.02 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Adeline Grey I am running two characters against level 4 missions. I am wondering what the most effective mission combo is these days.
I was thinking maybe running a DPS Golem and a tanked Dominix to act as main tank, but I was wondering if maybe a Damnation or some command ship with an uber perma running tank might be better to main tank with than a Domi and maybe something like a CNR rather than a Golem. Thoughts?
With 2 chars go for DPS - you dont need a tank.
I used cnr+maelstrom (both fine tanking skills but no one was "the" tank)
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Arestan
Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.02 08:48:00 -
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I use a torp Golem (what else is there?!) and a Vargur. Works like a charm.
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:39:00 -
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I use any of the combinations:
Setup 1: Main runs a gankfitted 1400mm arty Maelstrom second runs a supporting Myr (lasorz/T2 drones/support drones/remote sensor and tracking boosting to make the gank a supergank)
Setup 2: Main runs a cruise CNR plus Domi (Sentry/repper/TP's)
Setup 1 is more fun. Setup 2 is more relaxed.
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Vikura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:46:00 -
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Marauder + RR Domi.
Marauder brings the damage and 1-2 tractors. With little tank. Little tank so you wont die if the Domi gets jammed for a reason or another. Domi brings the "main" tank and drone support. Both should bring at least 1 heavy energy trasfer to spider transfer cap to each other (thus generating cap from thin air).
So you would have 8x guns from the marauder, set of lights/mediums from the marauder and set of drones from the Domi (sentrys, mediums or heavys).
Or something like that is what i would do, if i would run missions with 2 characters.
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Taedrin
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:49:00 -
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The thing about the domi is that if you can permatank the room, you can just aggro the entire room, release drones and then switch to your DPS boat. If you use a CNR/Golem to tank the room, you will have to switch between both clients to get maximum effectiveness. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Prof Pain
SmokingGuns Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:52:00 -
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1. char selection with 2 chars tank isnÆt really a problem. as said above, stuff really dies too fast. for me what counts more is one hassle free char and one high dps to concentrate my attention on. so i choose domi for the first and paladin for the second. drones auto shoot stuff and the pali is actively managed; it works great.
2. command ships i wouldnÆt recommend command ships. tried it a while ago for the fun and style, but its really slow. only one viable is the nighthawk.
3. golem question for all the golem lovers, i have a question, for i still get large numbers of long range missions. does it really pay time-wise to wait for the rats to come to you when they start between 50-80k from you? When using t2 ammo, did anyone calculate the profit margin comparing time-saving to ammo cost?
Thanks and cheers!
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N Ano
Caldari Zerg Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:56:00 -
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Tengu and golem
Originally by: Blane Xero SoonÖ. Shortly AfterÖ Iceland Conquers the WorldÖ
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Caldrinara Yez
Efficiency Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.02 13:55:00 -
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I use this (and yes, i can neither use a Golem, nor a Paladin yet :P). Since i always Salvage and Loot everything i let the rats come to <40km all the time, but that's just convenience.
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Intangible Mirage
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:09:00 -
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You only need one ship tbh.
Tengu.
Use the other ship as a dedicated salvager/looter. IE, Hurricane with salvager rigs and expanded cargo holds.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.02 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin The thing about the domi is that if you can permatank the room, you can just aggro the entire room, release drones and then switch to your DPS boat. If you use a CNR/Golem to tank the room, you will have to switch between both clients to get maximum effectiveness.
This guy has it down.
With a fully tanked domi that is pulling full pocket aggro, you don't need to tank your golem. Just fill it up with BCUs and target painters and **** **** up.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2009.11.02 17:46:00 -
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Right now I do lvl4 in a Drake + Maelstrom. But it's far from optimal and I know it :)
I plan on getting a Tengu for the main : -it's fast -tanks really well (active deadspace + speed) -shoots at 110km -full damage (740 dps in kinetic) to Cruisers and above, still very good damage on anything smaller. -fun to fly (I guess :) )
And a random battleship on the alt, to kill big things even faster. Which one ? I don't know, but something with good range, as the aggro will be on the fast Tengu which will orbit the room at whaterver range allows it not to receive damage. Maybe a Dominix with good drone skills and salvage, a Raven with cruise, or Typhoon with cruise and drones and salvage ?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.02 17:50:00 -
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torp golem + nightmare
put a shield transfer on both for just in case moments, and/or ae bonus, and go all out gank + a 4/5 slot local tank on both.
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Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Shield Tek Lodizal Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.11.02 18:24:00 -
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Golem + Domi Golem cruise or torp, as you like it. Domi with salvagers in high and sentries assisting off the Golem.
Golem warps in first, takes whole-room aggro, orbits the stationary Domi. Domi salvages wrecks as Golem tractors them into range.
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Hatt0ri Hanz0
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:43:00 -
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I prefer 2 ishtars. One fully tanked gets all aggro, lets loose drones, and the other one sets his to guard main. Walk away and come back later.
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rugose RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that man who has money to spend on Golem but can't solo all L4 mission bought too much character to handle.
RUUUUGOSE!
Umm, nice assumptions, but I am a 2006 player who has never really carebeared much, and lately have been trying to farm ISK for a mothership. I have my main which has 60m sp and my alt which only has 20m or so. My main would fly the Golem and my alt the Dominix, or that was what I was thinking. Just wanted to check and see if there is better combos I should be looking into.
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2009.11.03 00:02:00 -
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Paladin Kronos Vargur, whatever Marauder kinda, + Sentry Domi with support if needed(3-4 omni's) set the Domi to assist the Main, and it will only shoot whatever you shoot with your main, or put it to guard (the drones obviously) and it will shoot whatever shoots the main char
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GeneralMartok
Legion of Alts
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Posted - 2009.11.03 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: GeneralMartok on 03/11/2009 00:21:52 Ship #1 - Tank/DPS - whatever floats your boat Ship #2 - DOMI - remote reps/salvaging gear in the highs (whatever floats your boat) launch drones > assist/defend #1
this way you get the most extra DPS possible from the 2nd account without having to babysit it
I personally do it with a CNR/Domi or a CNR/Kronos or a Nightmare/Domi with a third account as a dedicated salvager (think typhoon with 4x tract/salv with 4k m3 cargohold)
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Georgi Kuriacin
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Adeline Grey I am running two characters against level 4 missions. I am wondering what the most effective mission combo is these days.
Against Sansha/Blood/Drones I like to use a Dual LAR Domi and a Paladin. The Domi warps in, aggros the whole room, releases the drones and goes AFK. The Paladin then comes in, launches drones set to guard the Domi character and proceeds to fry everything as fast as it can be targetted.
After everything is dead, the Paladin tractors the wrecks and the Domi salvages with 3 salvager II's mounted in the hi slots.
For Kin/Therm NPC's I use a Golem or CNR instead of the Paladin.
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Needle Juice
Caldari Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.11.03 04:49:00 -
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i use a golem dps fit and a RR domi with sentries/heavies. normally my golem warps in pulls full aggro, then the domi comes in and throws 2 shield xfers one and i never have to worry about tank.
i am thinking about running a Tgolem and Craven combo for the hell of it though. it would make worlds collide a lot easier.
i also use a 3rd account behind to salvage
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.11.03 04:56:00 -
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Ship #1: Tank. Fit a fully-passive Nighthawk, these babies tank through Level 5's so it'll have no problems with a Level 4. Then instead of heavy t2's in the highs, fit salvagers and tractors to clean up your mess.
Ship #2: Gank. Torp Golem: Nighthawk's your tank so fit it up with 7 t2 target painters, 4 CN BCS's, and 1-shot everything on the field. Fit drone link aug's in the remaining highs.
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Claudin
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Posted - 2009.11.03 05:04:00 -
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i want to try out two paladins for missions in amarr space. This should work quite fast.
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Jiggleh Puff
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Posted - 2009.11.03 05:34:00 -
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depending on my mood i run either of these two setups:
"omg i want this now, but i have no cash:" kronos, domi, orca. run two missions back to back, or three but i need want to keep 1 character with even faction standings. blitz with kronos/domi, clean and refit at orca.
"theirs no pvp today, might as well make some money:" kronos, orca. 'slowboat' through a mission, meaning start hitting crap at 70km (not waiting til 40k like everyone else). clean up with orca. Kronos has as 4 slot tank with three stabs.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.03 06:09:00 -
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why does everyone keep saying 1 tank + 1 gank ship, are people really that incompetent at managing 2 characters
I really like the raven line for ability to switch damage types, and then the turret ship to deal with small things at range.
domi is really just such a lazy choice, sure it will speed you up a bit, but just doesn't compete with 2 all out gank ships. although that dual afk ishtar sounds kinda nice. slow, but afk
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Carniflex
Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:12:00 -
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Best combination for me is Nightmare + Golem for blood/sansha/drones and 2x Golem for everything else. There is also few missions where I used 2x CNR's. This has been for level 4 missions.
'Best' for me means fastest mission completion times. I rarely loot or salvage.
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