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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:36:00 -
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So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:37:00 -
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Can i has........
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:37:00 -
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Damn.
I just suicide ganked a guy, but you're not him. :(
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:37:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Oh it exploded, never mind.
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Wang LeeMei
United Kings DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:37:00 -
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can i haz ... oh wait....
if u got 150m in ur cargo and just know a small lil tiny bit bout eve you wouldnt be hanging afk on gates near jita lol
fly safe
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Hot Fudge
Minmatar Sweet -N- Sticky
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:40:00 -
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My troll-o-meter is going off. Other than that, do something about it. It is what your kill rights are for. =========================
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:40:00 -
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You've quit how many times now?
Go away!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:41:15 Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:41:02
Originally by: Wang LeeMei can i haz ... oh wait....
if u got 150m in ur cargo and just know a small lil tiny bit bout eve you wouldnt be hanging afk on gates near jita lol
fly safe
Thats the point, I didnt know that 150 million was suicide ganking profitable in high security space. I didnt know crime was this easy in this game. I was wrong but now I know and its unacceptable.
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Glopan Sowdah
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:41:00 -
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Try not to AFK with your wallet at the electronics counter while you're shopping for a new game.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:44:00 -
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I find it much safer to afk while docked...
course nobody ever thinks of that
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Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:48:00 -
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First golden rule of Eve : "Do not fly in a ship you can't afford to loose" Second (new) golden rule of Eve : "Don't cry there or people will laught at you" ~ Beer > Eve ? Eve > Beer ? |
Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
Michwich, you still haven't given me your stuff from the last 5 quits you did. You can make that up now if you want:)
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:49:00 -
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What was he in and what did you drop?
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:52:00 -
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I can't believe you all fell for it he just gained 5 points, anyways still
-5/10 Poor trolling attempt So wait this is the end of my post allready?
I'm not in multiple alliances to spy! I'm in them so I'll always be on the winning team |
Krem daBrut
Marquie-X Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:54:00 -
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What about the most important question in this case, what happend to the slavage of his Bestower wreck ? Was it stolen ?
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:56:00 -
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Well if anyone wants my stuff you can just send me your isk and ill send you double back. That would be the fastest way to do it.
I just thought this game was supposed to be challenging. Its dissappoiting to see that certain play styles have it easier to profit than others. In short the games not balanced in this regard. 150 million in cargo should not be a profitable venture to play suicide attack ganker. Suicide attack should cost more. Surley no one could rationaly justify it being this easy? Is 150 million that rich? Well I guess Ive reached the end game it seems.
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Krem daBrut What about the most important question in this case, what happend to the slavage of his Bestower wreck ? Was it stolen ?
I haz ninja zalvaged his wreck! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
blulululu
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:57:07 Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:56:27 Well if anyone wants my stuff you can just send me your isk and ill send you double back. That would be the fastest way to do it.
I just thought this game was supposed to be challenging. Its dissappoiting to see that certain play styles have it easier to profit than others. In short the games not balanced in this regard. 150 million in cargo should not be a profitable venture to play suicide attack ganker in high security? what? Suicide attack should cost a lot more. Surley no one could rationaly justify it being this easy? Is 150 million that rich? Well I guess Ive reached the end game if that the case.
If you fly that around in an untanked ship someone can kill with a t1 cruiser before concord is around, yes you make it profitable and it is your own fault. I think EVE is not the game for you go play an MMO where you can not lose stuff.
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Draeklore
Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: blulululu
Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:57:07 Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 19:56:27 Well if anyone wants my stuff you can just send me your isk and ill send you double back. That would be the fastest way to do it.
I just thought this game was supposed to be challenging. Its dissappoiting to see that certain play styles have it easier to profit than others. In short the games not balanced in this regard. 150 million in cargo should not be a profitable venture to play suicide attack ganker in high security? what? Suicide attack should cost a lot more. Surley no one could rationaly justify it being this easy? Is 150 million that rich? Well I guess Ive reached the end game if that the case.
If you fly that around in an untanked ship someone can kill with a t1 cruiser before concord is around, yes you make it profitable and it is your own fault. I think EVE is not the game for you go play an MMO where you can not lose stuff.
Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk. Remember a suicide gank is calculated profit. Theres no risk involved once the numbers meet the right criteria. The point of this thread is that CCP has the numbers wrong. And until they get it right, I cant justify playing a game this flawed.
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Wendi Watson
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:04:00 -
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Another Michwich whine/troll thread? Haven't you quit already?
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Nooto
Caldari Dragon Clan Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:04:00 -
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bye bye. cya. can i have your stuff? BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk
That's just it: CCP didn't do that — you did. You allowed for that reward. You reduced their risk.
Start looking there before you assign blame elsewhere. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Dragonwell
Tactical Trading Partnership
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:11:00 -
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I'm completely at a loss for words on this one. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the OP and assuming he's not a troll.
How many times have we seen threads like this? How many people have cried that their **** got asploded on some high-sec gate that's supposed to represent an area where you're totally untouchable? How many times have people said "Don't AP in highsec" or "don't AFK undocked" or things to this effect?
Concerning the idea that "crime is too easy"... crime is crime, there are consequences, but the rewards of that crime outweighed those consequences. Big deal. People commit crimes in RL knowing full well what the consequences are and they're (nine times out of ten) willing to live with that for whatever reason. It's no different in EVE.
I'm now going to split the atoms of the dead horse which has been beat into its said component atoms at this point and ask "Why were you APing in high-sec?" "Why were you AFK at a gate?" "Why weren't you flying something that might have been able to withstand the attack or otherwise present to tough a target to be worth shooting?" "Why do you assume that because you were in high-sec no one should have been able to touch you?" etc.
As an aside, 150m is not much at all. A "measly" 150m shouldn't be enough to make you quit. Or wasn't it so measly and it was all you had, thus making your mistake carry that much more force? *** Awake in a Space-Dye Vest Struggling with Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Falling Into Infinity toward a New Millennium While trapped inside this Octavarium. |
Kariva
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:12:00 -
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What is f.. now : 1. Insurance 2. High sec not high...
1. Will the insurance company pay you for the destroyed car if you robe the bank and crash that car on police blockade ??? WHERE is th LOGIC CCP ? The insurance should be payed out only if you got destroyed by non player ship. or be a victime of a (concord crime). Why the insurance is payed out if you on war. What company would not bankrupt in time of war where the destruction of ship is very very likely .... Again CCP change the logic of insurance, and crime.... Who will go to low null sec if they are eaven not safe at high sec... 2. Read 1....
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Janus Duo
Gallente Down In Flames
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:14:00 -
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150mil is is a lot of money and not something you wouldn't carry around in something much more heavily protected than a T1 indy. You may try to disagree with me but you're the one ragequitting over a matter of 150mil ISK, you obviously valued it highly.
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Bud Johnson
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:15:00 -
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I knew i had seen that name before. If you cant learn from your mistakes (or at least not react to them like a child) then eve probably isn't the game for you.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Michwich Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk
That's just it: CCP didn't do that ù you did. You allowed for that reward. You reduced their risk.
Start looking there before you assign blame elsewhere.
So tell us, wheres the risk sitting at a gate scanning for a profitable suicide gank? Why isnt this done in null sec? Thats right. The weakest link. Concord. The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and as such we have protitable suicide attacks. Suicide attacks should never be profitable. The notion that loosing makes you win is called broken and therefore an exploit in my PVP eyes. No one can argue otherwise. No one. Not even CCP.
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Neliel Soifon
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
You fail, and it's 100% your fault. Have fun in the next lame mmo you'll play.
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Lucjan
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:17:00 -
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An Armageddon blew me up for my 8m in cargo...figure that one out : in Jita as well. I was in a Badger.
You should be able to take CONCORD to court though for being useless.
Can I have your assets?
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 20:21:59
Originally by: Lucjan An Armageddon blew me up for my 8m in cargo...figure that one out : in Jita as well. I was in a Badger.
You should be able to take CONCORD to court though for being useless.
Can I have your assets?
Thats a good Idea. You should be able to at the very leaste demand to know what your tax money is being spent on. Because it definately isnt going into security.
Why yes, you can have my assets. Bend over.
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Vysnaite
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:23:00 -
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Successful troll is successful.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
Wait wat? You said you were going to quit in rancer local when your dumb arse aggroed a smack talking n00b ship at the gate and my bomber alt uncloaked and pwnd you. You went all emo when I poasted the killmail in local and everyone laughed at you.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So tell us, wheres the risk sitting at a gate scanning for a profitable suicide gank?
You might be there all day, but only come across people who actually take precautions.
Quote: Why isnt this done in null sec?
Because people there take the necessary precautions — in highsec, people don't and thus beg to be killed.
Quote: Thats right. The weakest link. Concord.
Wrong. The weakest link is you.
Quote: The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and as such we have protitable suicide attacks.
Wrong. CONCORD is the second thing — the first is you, who should be smarter than a brain dead AI bot.
Quote: Suicide attacks should never be profitable.
Why not?
Quote: The notion that loosing makes you win is called broken
But you didn't win, did you? You were the loser here. The gankers simply paid the the price for high-sec aggression, and when they won, that investment paid off. And that's all it is: highsec is defined by the fact that aggression comes at a cost, either through a wardec or through the loss of ships and standings. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ticod
Minmatar Dychotomy
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ticod on 02/11/2009 20:29:47
Originally by: Michwich
The weakest link. Concord. The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and ...
Concord does not exist to 'protect' - only to punish criminals for their deeds. Once you have undocked you yourself are the only means of true protection. If you are AFK and out in space, then obviously you have no protection. btw your battleclinic made me giggle :D
Michwich's combat record: Lifetime kills 0 Lifetime losses 45
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
Did you go afk in a Tech1 Industrial in Jita with 150million isk worth of stuff?
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 20:33:58
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Michwich So tell us, wheres the risk sitting at a gate scanning for a profitable suicide gank?
You might be there all day, but only come across people who actually take precautions.
Quote: Why isnt this done in null sec?
Because people there take the necessary precautions ù in highsec, people don't and thus beg to be killed.
Quote: Thats right. The weakest link. Concord.
Wrong. The weakest link is you.
Quote: The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and as such we have protitable suicide attacks.
Wrong. CONCORD is the second thing ù the first is you, who should be smarter than a brain dead AI bot.
Quote: Suicide attacks should never be profitable.
Why not?
Quote: The notion that loosing makes you win is called broken
But you didn't win, did you? You were the loser here. The gankers simply paid the the price for high-sec aggression, and when they won, that investment paid off. And that's all it is: highsec is defined by the fact that aggression comes at a cost, either through a wardec or through the loss of ships and standings.
Theres not just me, theres 2 sides to this equation. And on the other side there was no risk, its been calculated that there would be none before I was attacked. Risk would be greater variability in whats destroyed and whats not. Risk would be the possibility of someone alerting the authorities that there were known criminals around. Risk would be having a module that defeated cargo scans making the otherside have to guess or gather intelligence. Risk is not hitting the cargo scan button and then firing your high slots. Thats not risk.
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Volir
Dot.
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 20:16:54
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Michwich Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk
That's just it: CCP didn't do that ù you did. You allowed for that reward. You reduced their risk.
Start looking there before you assign blame elsewhere.
So tell us, wheres the risk sitting at a gate scanning for a profitable suicide gank? Why isnt this done in null sec? Thats right. The weakest link. Concord. The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and as such we have protitable suicide attacks. Suicide attacks should never be profitable. The notion that loosing makes you win is called broken and therefore an exploit in PVP games. No one can argue otherwise. No one. Not even CCP.
It is done in nullsec, all the time.
But you're right. I believe Eve IS broken. Eve is broken because Concord exists and because the npc corps exist. The problem is that people expect highsec to be completely safe and when they get ganked their whole world comes crashing down. The NPC corps should be the faction warfare corporations. New players should be introduced to the risk of eve immediately and learn to handle it. If you accept risk everywhere either in faction warfare or war decs on player corporations, you won't do stupid things like sit afk on a gate in a paper thin industrial with a couple mil in the trunk. And what would be some of the benefits? Less macro mining, less macro missioning, more regional economies, increased player interactions...
But all this can never happen because Eve is too old and has too many michwich's in it.
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Dynast
Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Theres not just me, theres 2 sides to this equation. And on the other side there was no risk, its been calculated that there would be none before I was attacked. Risk would be greater variability in whats destroyed and whats not. Risk would be the possibility of someone alerting the authorities that there were known criminals around. Risk would be having a module that defeated cargo scans making the otherside have to guess or gather intelligence. Risk is not hitting the cargo scan button and then firing your high slots. Thats not risk.
You made it profitable, not CCP. CCP didn't sit your fat, lazy butt in a paper-thin industrial with loot worth more than a hundred times what the ship is worth. All your blather and pathetic trolling pretty much boils down to one incontrovertable fact: you owned yourself.
Cry me a river.
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Bud Johnson
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Theres not just me, theres 2 sides to this equation. And on the other side there was no risk, its been calculated that there would be none before I was attacked. Risk would be greater variability in whats destroyed and whats not. Risk would be the possibility of someone alerting the authorities that there were known criminals around. Risk would be having a module that defeated cargo scans making the otherside have to guess or gather intelligence. Risk is not hitting the cargo scan button and then firing your high slots. Thats not risk.
Losing your ship to concord = risk Drop not covering your loss = risk Someone ninja-ing your loot = risk
AFK on a gate in a T1 hauler with 150+ mil in cargo = ????
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Theres not just me, theres 2 sides to this equation. And on the other side there was no risk,
Yes there was: you might not have come along, making them waste all their time.
Quote: Risk would be the possibility of someone alerting the authorities that there were known criminals around.
You mean, you not being AFK, and noticing these individuals and perhaps taken a different route? Yes, that would have worked… if you weren't AFK.
Quote: Risk would be having a module that defeated cargo scans making the otherside have to guess or gather intelligence.
Uhm… that's what the scanners are for: gather intelligence. And there is a way to defeat them: don't fly AFK. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dynast
Originally by: Michwich Theres not just me, theres 2 sides to this equation. And on the other side there was no risk, its been calculated that there would be none before I was attacked. Risk would be greater variability in whats destroyed and whats not. Risk would be the possibility of someone alerting the authorities that there were known criminals around. Risk would be having a module that defeated cargo scans making the otherside have to guess or gather intelligence. Risk is not hitting the cargo scan button and then firing your high slots. Thats not risk.
You made it profitable, not CCP. CCP didn't sit your fat, lazy butt in a paper-thin industrial with loot worth more than a hundred times what the ship is worth. All your blather and pathetic trolling pretty much boils down to one incontrovertable fact: you owned yourself.
Cry me a river.
Yep, thats the point. I own myself and I lose isk. Suicide ganker owns themself and they profit.
WAAAAAAAAA
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Plim
Gallente Kobayashi Maru Experience
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:44:00 -
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But they also own you.
---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bud Johnson Someone ninja-ing your loot = risk
Confirming this can harvest loads of suicide gank tears in local, evemail, private convos or sometimes a humerous combination of all three. Nothing worse for a suicide ganker than scanning out a juicy mark and popping him only to have the lootz taken away and ending up with a total loss. So use something cloaky with a mwd and wait for them to pop a clueless hauler then uncloak and mwd over to ninja the wreck and salvage it with extra points for getting to the bs wreck before the gankers hauler and doing the same.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 20:49:03 But come on... admit it... its too easy. Should be harder and more dangerouse. Sitting afk with that little amount of isk and being targeted. The bar needs to be raised a bit. Its like putting a cap on whats considered too much money and worthy of the ultimate act of desperation - suicide and 150m is just too little
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:49:00 -
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CONCORD needs a blacklist. As soon as someone embarasses them by commiting a serious crime in their space that's it, no hisec for you, 2 years. And no amount of sec status grinding can change their mind.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Haulerboi
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
just 150m?
Try 1.2 BILLION
A single BS has enough DPS to suicide a tanked T1 hauler, so you can't (safely) use a T1 hauler to carry more than:
cost of raven + insurance + fit - raven insurance payout
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich But come on... admit it... its too easy.
No. If anything, it's too hard these days. You can sit outsite Jita 4-4 for hours now without ever being able to steal stuff others have ganked for… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Haulerboi
Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
just 150m?
Try 1.2 BILLION
A single BS has enough DPS to suicide a tanked T1 hauler, so you can't (safely) use a T1 hauler to carry more than:
cost of raven + insurance + fit - raven insurance payout
A few random named medium and small shield extenders do not a tanked t1 hauler make. We already showed you the fits that would haul all you need and survive any single bs ganking you in a .5 system.
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Kir'ian
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:05:00 -
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Sometimes its not about ISK profit... *FUN* has its own currency. And blowing your ship to bits was probably paid pretty good *FUN* for whoever did it.
Or... Maybe Concord just hates you. =D
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Luaren Avidius
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:13:00 -
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So this is whine thread number how many about how you wish you could autopilot your damned Dodixie loot to the highest buy orders in the Caldari state in perfect safety in a paper thin T1 hauler?
I wish those Uedama suicide gankers the best of luck. You deserve it.
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:22:00 -
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really just STFU troll. i'll give 2 to 1 that you will still be paying for your sub in 3 months
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 21:33:55
Originally by: Eskalin really just STFU troll. i'll give 2 to 1 that you will still be paying for your sub in 3 months
Youre right. This games not for carebears. Its for carebear eaters only. If you cant take getting ganked then just dont play. You guys win. Ill leave.
/unsub
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kyrieee
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar Damn.
I just suicide ganked a guy, but you're not him. :(
Same :(
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Comodore John
Gallente Stairway To Heaven
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:38:00 -
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0/10 on troll thread.
Originally by: Michwich So I come back to my Bestower to see my pod instead floating nearby a stargate in Jita.
Thats enough CCP. If I cant AFK in high sec with a measly 150million worth in cargo youre not getting my money anymore. Sorry. Bye.
Also, bolded the part where you failed miserably.
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: wickedpheonix on 02/11/2009 21:41:10 So let's get this clear:
1) 150m in cargo 2) tiny little T1 bestower 3) AFK autopiloting 4) To Jita, where all the gankers are going to be waiting for your autopilot to finish and for your ship to just sit in space for a half hour while you get back to your keyboard.
In the meantime, your ganker has a BS fitted out with guns/missiles that can easily do probably around 3,000 damage in one volley (thinking missiles here), which means your little bestower is cooked. Especially if the guns can be tanked for any decent amount of time.
Oh yeah and he has insurance to get back most of what he lost. And you say this isn't profitable for him?! And it doesn't even HAVE to be profitable - this is EVE. It's enough to grab a Scorpion + full fit of t2 smartbombs + field full of Hulks and let yourself loose.
QQ some more n00b and contract me your stuff before you quit, ok? I'm not saying CCP doesn't need to cater to carebears but there's a billion different ways to avoid gankers in high sec if you really wanted. You didn't need to use a crappy T1 indy, you didn't need to cart your 150m all the way to Jita, and you didn't need to AFK pilot it. Asking CCP to nerf ganking because you can't carebear properly is asking CCP to pussify the game.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix So let's get this clear:
1) 150m in cargo 2) tiny little T1 bestower 3) AFK autopiloting 4) To Jita, where all the gankers are going to be waiting for your autopilot to finish and for your ship to just sit in space for a half hour while you get back to your keyboard.
In the meantime, your ganker has a BS fitted out with guns/missiles that can easily do probably around 3,000 damage in one volley (thinking missiles here), which means your little bestower is cooked. Especially if the guns can be tanked for any decent amount of time.
Oh yeah and he has insurance to get back most of what he lost. And you say this isn't profitable for him?! And it doesn't even HAVE to be profitable - this is EVE. It's enough to grab a Scorpion + full fit of t2 smartbombs + field full of Hulks and let yourself loose.
QQ some more n00b and contract me your stuff before you quit, ok?
Ok, bend over and I will contanct you with my stuff. Wait... I still got 29 days left on this cancelled sub. Youre going to have to wait.
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Kurlieu
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:47:00 -
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It's just the cost of doing business. The suicide ganker is out only the cost of fittings. They will probably get reimbursed (or even make a bit) from the insurance to cover the BS. If your cargo is worth more than the fittings they use to alpha you, it's a reasonable business decision. I doubt they even fit a tank. Hell, I know pilots who will self destruct when the insurance is up if the ship has made money for them, although this is not, imo, a sensible decision. Some folks just like to see pretty explosions, or make grown men cry, - and it's worth the price of admission for them, to each his own. All your tears and rage just provide sustenance for future gankers.
It's not a decision I would make, but can I see where it makes a certain amount of sense. Surely you've noticed yourself being followed from time to time to see if you're on autopilot. Most Indies are shadowed. These forums are rife with good suggestions to protect yourself and your cargo while hauling. Flying AFK on autopilot is not one of those good suggestions.
Just as with Police in real life, Concord is a deterrent, not a protection. The Police and Concord serve the state, not the people. If you want a rules change, and I'm not saying things should be changed, look at eliminating insurance payments for self destructing and being Concorded.
By the way, I'm told that all the stations have bathrooms. Pee at the stations, otherwise you're just peein' and crappin' in your pod, and that can't be very sanitary.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.02 22:04:00 -
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- make character
- go to e-o forums
- post about quitting
- biomass char
- create new char for complaints
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Taedrin
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2009.11.02 22:52:00 -
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The rule of thumb is to NEVER use an untanked T1 hauler to haul more than 20 million ISK worth of goods - ESPECIALLY AFK. Actually, thanks to insurance, it can be profitable for a suicide ganker to kill you with only about 8 million ISK in your untanked hauler.
Anyways, the lesson learned is this: TANK YOUR T1 HAULER, AND DON'T FLY AFK NEAR TRADE HUBS. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:02:00 -
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All these people responding to the terrible troll Michwich makes me a sad panda.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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SgtMjrJeroen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:05:00 -
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obvious lol is, well, lol
linkage
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:09:00 -
[63]
I will feed the troll
I fly around with double that in my T1 industrials from time to time
I hope you see what I did there
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:17:00 -
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You're in State War Academy?
Apparently you're not learning anything there. Maybe you should quit going afk while you're supposed to be in class.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 03/11/2009 02:20:43
Originally by: SgtMjrJeroen obvious lol is, well, lol
linkage
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:34:00 -
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Posting in another Michwich Im quitting thread.
I think this is thread #8 for him.
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Domoso
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:00:00 -
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I've heard people mention that if you carry stuff around in containers then scanners can't determine what's in them? *shrugs* I dunno. But everything I carry are in GSC's in my cargo hold. Mayhaps that helps?
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Satynic
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:23:00 -
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Dont let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out.
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Doctor Cal'torien
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:29:00 -
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lol, my personal rule is to actually fly something if it's worth more than 20m, AFK'n next to a stargate (in JITA no less ) is about equal to playing russian roulette with a revolver loaded with 5 --- YOUR BABIES ARE TASTY
Quote: TROLL
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 06:32:00 -
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Highsec ganking has grown to fair extremes pretty recently. Instead of yelling at this obvious troll for trolling and whining that so many people are whining about it... the t1 insurance system does need to be looked at.
It sucks, i dont want it. But when there are 7 BS sitting outside jita gates ganking anything worth more then 100m then ya... theres a problem. I personally have been sitting around with a hauler and scooping the loots b4 the ganker can :)
Tis fun and much less risk. And oh they do get angsty!
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Varesk
Gallente Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2009.11.03 06:53:00 -
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OP.
You have been playing this game for over a year. Your k/d ratio is all deaths. You have been in a npc corp for your whole game life. So, either you really suck at this game, or you really suck at this game. You would think that after playing this game for a year you would have figured out some of the game by now.
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 21:33:55
Originally by: Eskalin really just STFU troll. i'll give 2 to 1 that you will still be paying for your sub in 3 months
Youre right. This games not for carebears. Its for carebear eaters only. If you cant take getting ganked then just dont play. You guys win. Ill leave.
/unsub
no you're wrong. again. this game is played on the backs of the ingenious people who have the thankless job of logistics and it don't get more carebear than that. what they know that you don't seem to is that eve has consequences i'll make it easy and define it for you. consequence n. Something that logically or naturally follows from an action or condition. it's the reason lots of us play. a game with out consequence is not a game worth playing but your sub is canceled right?
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.11.03 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Domoso I've heard people mention that if you carry stuff around in containers then scanners can't determine what's in them? *shrugs* I dunno. But everything I carry are in GSC's in my cargo hold. Mayhaps that helps?
Nope, putting your stuff in GSC's will not prevent from scanning. What it will help to do, is to enlarge the chance everything gets destroyed when your ship goes 'boom'.
And why the frell does this myth keeps surfacing? How difficult is it to ask a corp mate/ use an alt to equip a cargo scanner and have your ship scanned with GSC's in it?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage Highsec ganking has grown to fair extremes pretty recently. Instead of yelling at this obvious troll for trolling and whining that so many people are whining about it... the t1 insurance system does need to be looked at.
It sucks, i dont want it. But when there are 7 BS sitting outside jita gates ganking anything worth more then 100m then ya... theres a problem. I personally have been sitting around with a hauler and scooping the loots b4 the ganker can :)
Tis fun and much less risk. And oh they do get angsty!
Or maybe - just maybe - CCP should change the market system to allow people to buy and sell in places other than Jita 4-4. I realise that sounds like a radical solution, and the idea will seem strange, even ludicrous at first. But consider the possible advantages.
In nature, as elsewhere, predators are found where the prey density is highest. Pilots who only use the direct routes to the busiest trade hub can expect to see unusually high concentrations of people looking for for lots of hauling.
In nature, as elsewhere, predators will attack the weakest target and seek the biggest reward while sharing it with as few as possible. Pilots who inattentively fly slow, untanked ships with valuable cargoes will be attacked disproportionately often.
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.11.03 09:07:00 -
[75]
You know that Yulai used to be the big trade hub. CCP decided to kill it and a new one emerged. It's not CCP's fault that Jita exists, it's the fault of all the people who go there
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:34:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Michwich Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk. Remember a suicide gank is calculated profit. Theres no risk involved once the numbers meet the right criteria. The point of this thread is that CCP has the numbers wrong. And until they get it right, I cant justify playing a game this flawed.
The game isn't flawed, your way of playing it is flawed. It's like you went into a large city carrying a plastic bag with 20kg of gold around with you and then left it in-front of a public toilet while using it. Then when you come back out your gold is gone and you start screaming about the state of the police and them not doing their job correctly when actually you're the ****** that left his gold laying around for anyone to steal.
It's the same when you fly around with a ship that has 1k EHP - it's not the game that's flawed if you get ganked, it's you for being stupid.
Have fun playing Warcraft.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich
Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk. Remember a suicide gank is calculated profit. Theres no risk involved once the numbers meet the right criteria.
Actually quite a few suicide gank end in failure, either because the mark was better tanked than expected or because the coveted item didn't drop. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Dr Karsun
Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:52:00 -
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Well, it's obvious that carrying anything above 100m is worth ganking in a poor ship, if you were in a better tanked ship that would require more support to take down, then I'd start to think if it's worth taking it down.
In this case - you got to learn, thatyou'r never safe in eve, even when your in an npc corp and got nothing in your cargo, some people will just blow you up because they don't like your ship name.
Making custom signatures and banners - check my in-game bio for details!
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:08:00 -
[79]
succesfull troll
8/10
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:18:00 -
[80]
Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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steveid
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:26:00 -
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thanks op that really brightened my day. Not an original troll but well executed.
For everyone else who's not understanding, if your in a t1 indy you can be popped for around 4 mil. If your cargo is worth 20 + then its going to be profitable for them. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist |
Midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 12:41:00 -
[82]
Moar like this one plx
http://antrs.rogue-force.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=59389 -----------------------------------------------
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Neyro7830
Gallente The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 13:34:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 02/11/2009 20:16:54
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Michwich Im not blaming the gankers. Im blaming CCP design decision to allow such reward for no risk
That's just it: CCP didn't do that ù you did. You allowed for that reward. You reduced their risk.
Start looking there before you assign blame elsewhere.
So tell us, wheres the risk sitting at a gate scanning for a profitable suicide gank? Why isnt this done in null sec? Thats right. The weakest link. Concord. The only thing thats there to protect high security is a brain dead AI bot easily predicatable and as such we have protitable suicide attacks. Suicide attacks should never be profitable. The notion that loosing makes you win is called broken and therefore an exploit in PVP games. No one can argue otherwise. No one. Not even CCP.
CCP can't even argue about the game they designed? Harsh. How many MMOs have you developed and balanced? Oh wait, none? K.
I'd ask for your stuff, but you've already given it away 5 times. Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer |
Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:19:00 -
[84]
I didn't want his stuff anyway...
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Slipknot Korn
Minmatar Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:55:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Vysnaite Successful troll is successful.
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Ace Trader
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:17:00 -
[86]
i made a post on forum and was told a troll and lying.
i think he got alittle upset cos people like me who have lived in wh probing daily, can walk away from a class 5 in a destroyer without firing a shot with loot and he i thinks wanted to know how done so put me down rotten
so bye from me
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Fenderson
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 19:06:00 -
[87]
i never got anyone to ragequit when i used to do a lot of suicide ganking. i guess i was doing it wrong. ----
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Elora Danzik
Caldari Idiots In Spaceships Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis} Or maybe - just maybe - CCP should change the market system to allow people to buy and sell in places other than Jita 4-4. I realise that sounds like a radical solution, and the idea will seem strange, even ludicrous at first. But consider the possible advantages.[/quote
Actually, Jita resulted because of Unban Economics. I think there use to be Ice belts, ore belts and I know agents in Jita when first starting out way back when in 03. (I am not an 03 Character, so this is hearsay) Also Jita has 6 jumpgates out so getting into it is easy. This resulted in an agglomeration of people, this led to the clustering of sellers.
It is similar to why cities like Chicago, New York, London, Paris, Hamburg, all came about. There was something there that attracted people. This then had a self-re-enforcing effect. A new player comes in and askes where to get something and the auto response is Jita. Now its just stuck that way and is unlikly to change.
As a side note you could also sell in Motsu, Sobeiski, and Ammar. Though prices will usually be higher to buy and sell orders will be lower.
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Nadija
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.07 11:21:00 -
[89]
boo hoo, emo rage! a few pointers for you...
1 its onlt game 2 i've lost ships worth more than 150 mil (people have lost TITANS!) 3 its only game 4 you should only go afk if ur docked in a station or at a safe spot or cloaked 5 its only game
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