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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:36:00 -
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No. just No.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.13 15:15:00 -
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this is wrong. supercarriers should be t2 carriers. make a crap texture for the current ones. give them these stats and leave ms alone. leave the vat bay in and the 20 fb's.
so we have carrier - 700mill t2 super carrier. - basicaly the nerfed ms stats. 6bill maybe with a gimic lick covert jump portal. motherships - 16-20bill increase the jump range to.
then there's a ship for every one from the vets to the newbs.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 13/11/2009 18:23:44
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
NOZH
Seriously. just put it back the way it was and leave it like that for a year and see how it goes. EVERY 1 paying 16-18 bill for a sc is happy. every 1 who has one was happy. every 1 who was going to get was happy.
IF you put this in at 6-8 bill + docking. you will have like probably 5x more ships in a year than would be. you then will have undocking spam. and issues with their size and bumping. You will have people fielding like 17 fb's owning carriers/dreads/jump freighter. then redocking.
YOU WILL THEN BE FORCED TO LOOK AT THESE SHIPS AGAIN AND AGAIN ANNOY PEOPLE WITH A NERF.
the previous change made them better and made them useable again. but at the same time if they people field hundreads + new sov they will eventually lose more than can replace.
the previous change made a good ship + allowed for the game to find its own balance of the ships getting used or not. It may have resulted in a few high isk battles seeing 10-20 supercarriers or 12 titans dieing but eventually this would of evened out to adjust for new numbers of them. build cost. risk ect.
now u just making a future broken game mechanic to address a possible issue that probably wnt happen any way.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.13 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Impolite Andevil First, why did you guys feel the need to change the supercap modifications introduced by Abathur and extensively tested to near universal approval? I have yet to see any kind of reason given for why these well thought-out, balanced, and well-recieved changes were axed in the first place. Please at least give us your logic on that before continuing to try to change the ships. It's possible that there was some underlying issue that everyone involved with testing Abathur's proposal missed, but I rather doubt it. If there is one, tell us.
Second, I applaud the fact that you are willing to look at the feedback and try to work out a compromise. I especially applaud the commitment to reimburse owners for the incredible loss they are taking - although you really need to include BPO owners too. However, the changes you propose do little to solve the real problems. For a dedicated anti-cap ship, we still have the fact that their primary weapons system doesn't hit caps for anywhere near full damage due to the ridiculous explosion radius. That's especially horrible given that sieged dreads, arguably the most important target for the supercarrier, are immune to target painters, the one remedy for targets with low signature radii. Futhermore, introducing docking while at the same time lowering the build costs so dramatically means that these will proliferate like mad, and at the same time makes the station-game issue you just nerfed the Moros to solve far, far worse with this ship!
The solution is fairly straightforward. Return the MS and Titans to the state proposed by Abathur and approved by the testers on Sisi. Don't try to fix what isn't broken. Add a new model for a true supercap that is a size that makes sense (1/2 the size of a titan or so). Next, add a new carrier class that is exactly what you propose above (2 fighters per level, dockable, 5-6 bil build cost, can use fighter-bombers) but take the EHP way down from what the supercarrier has and remove EW immunity. Use the current MS models for these ships.
If the changes you propose are left in place, I will be buying at least one supercarrier, and probably 2. That price point is such that I can afford a couple of them by selling some of my faction ships and items, selling my carriers (no need for them anymore), possibly selling my dreads, and combining that with what I have now. My corp could probably have 5-6 members in a supercarrier by the end of 2010 without too much trouble - and we are a SMALL corp. That will mean that we can run around with our very own little RR supercap blob that will be damn near impossible to kill without the dread resources of a major alliance. And if we can do it, so can LOTS of other little corps and all big corps. I fully expect to see these become nearly as common as dreads with the proposed changes.
this is all fine and good but there is no way a new ship will be modeled and implimented within 3 weeks. wnt happen.
it would have to be reverting back to abathur's stats then a scale up of current model or swap for new model later on motherships.
then for the 6bill carriers either a new model or a reskin t2 carrier.
So to sum up.. NO to either of the current nerfs on super carriers. back to Abather's version. at later date introduce 6bill t2/strik carrier with the suggested stats but less ehp. Possible change in scale of the super carrier and or new model for either.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.13 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Power Ok this can be solved if ccp is willing to listen.
1. Super Carriers only allowed to dock in 0.0 space with station upgrade inplace. 2. Super Carriers cannot dock in anything other than 0.0 3. Super Carriers be allowed to fit Jump Portal Generators like the titan, for bridging. That would make something about the name go along with "SUPER" 4. For reimbursement. Make those ships Pre dominion Insurable in stations, for say X-amount 15bil or something, that way when they die, money rembursed minus mods. 5. 5 minute agression timer in 0.0 to avoide station dock/undock games just like the titan cool down timer...
That said alot of supercarrier problems solved.
Wrong. this will still lead to the problem of 20-30 just undocking defending a station and then redocking. no one will take station in 0.0 it will be a disaster. besides we dnt want to dock. we want our expensive but semi usefull dread killer.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.13 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Power Ok this can be solved if ccp is willing to listen.
1. Super Carriers only allowed to dock in 0.0 space with station upgrade inplace. 2. Super Carriers cannot dock in anything other than 0.0 3. Super Carriers be allowed to fit Jump Portal Generators like the titan, for bridging. That would make something about the name go along with "SUPER" 4. For reimbursement. Make those ships Pre dominion Insurable in stations, for say X-amount 15bil or something, that way when they die, money rembursed minus mods. 5. 5 minute agression timer in 0.0 to avoide station dock/undock games just like the titan cool down timer...
That said alot of supercarrier problems solved.
Wrong. this will still lead to the problem of 20-30 just undocking defending a station and then redocking. no one will take station in 0.0 it will be a disaster. besides we dnt want to dock. we want our expensive but semi usefull dread killer.
The reason half say it wnt be used and the other half say they will be every where is cus this is one of those changes that is so imbalanced and wrong that it litteraly is going to go 1 of those 2 ways. the first nerf before we got the docking and increase to 15 fb. That nerf would of lead to NO one using them. The nerf of docking i lead to a abuse of their hp.
Now if he removes the hp they will once again be useless as no one will use a ship that can still get ganked on station by 20 dreads and costs 6-10 bill. And they wnt be used on the field cus they will be as bad as they are now. - some firepower.
the only real soloution is the original one. expensive ship. can't dock. can kill dreads but wnt survive without fleet backup.
THE reason i think he has done this is because they assume there is a chance that 2030 of these could show up and start raping fields of ships. IF it was lag from drones it was a simple matter of lowering the number and making up the dps with less.
The fix to the problem of 20+ attacking is: A. probably not a issue cus once 1-10 fights happen where 30 turn up then 40 counter them. It just will balance out with less of them cus they get killed by each other. or they wnt be fielded without backup. This will mean super caps will be fighting each other probably. support will be ducking it out around them.
B. The real issue is having more than say 10 super dps ships shooting 1 target any way.. Its boring when 40 dreads shoot 1 dread. It's boring when 40 supercarriers shoot 1 dread. Its still boring when 40 super carriers shoot 1 super carrier.
The problem is people primarying 1 target. its across the board. If you want more sandbox tactics and a eliment of planning a fight ranges ect. YOU MUST LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN SHOOT THE SAME THING
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.14 02:13:00 -
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Some people have claimed my criticism of this is due to owning a supercarrier.
I would just like to state that i do not own a supercapital of ANY kind at this time.
SO STFU
here's a fun link for any 1 who feels they need this summing up. thx to chribba for it
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.15 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 15/11/2009 12:33:04 ATM its 8BILL. DOCKABLE. 15 DRONES.
to balance this it will be:
Half hp. Or 20min dock timer. OR vulnerable to ecm. Or not remote reppable. This will make them useless to field away from stations. 20min redock timer will probably mean you miss a getting in gangs ect. so takes away from the point.
Ecm vulnerable will make them totaly un-fieldable ever. will just get jammed and webbed on field and jammed on stations.
Then there is the entire player owned station free repair. so they can sit out till 10% armor-dock-repair-undock.
so then comes the docking at player owned station nerf cus 20min timer probably wnt mean they even hit 10% armor 80% of the time. OR a EHP nerf onto of docking time.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 16/11/2009 16:54:59 this entire chapter of eve stinks.
THE CHANGES.
THE AMOUNT OF DEV RESPONCE.
THE LACK OF ANY REASON.
THE TOTAL INSULT TO EVERY 1 WHO HAS EVER PUT THE TIME REQUIRED FOR 1 OF THE SHIPS IN.
BUT MOSTLY
CCP STEALTH REMOVING POSTS FROM THIS THREAD + LOCKING A PERFECTLY VALID PETITION ON A PERFECTLY APROPRIATE FORUM FOR IT AND TELLING US TO USE CSM, AT A TIME WHEN CSM CAN'T EVEN DO JACK BECAUSE THE ARE BEING ELECTED NOW AND THE OLD ONES WILL NOT HAVE TIME IN THEIR TERM TO PROBABLY EVEN TALK TO CCP ONCE.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:10:00 -
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Still no reason, responce or update................... Or apology and admitance of mistake then.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2009.11.18 15:30:00 -
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50 pages even with ccp stealth editing and another day with no update. feeling disheartened now much
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