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The Internets
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
A decent number. The vast majority of people posting here are pretty ******ed considering that despite the 'nerf', they're still getting boosted significantly, and furthermore that the devblog that they said they were working on in regards to this change has not been posted yet, likely explaining what their plans are.
Keep in mind this is the change from current live to Dominion:
Pros: 10x EHP Build cost slashed to 5-6b New weapon system (and significantly more DPS in an anti-capital role)
Cons: Reduced defense/offense against smaller ships Removal of modules nobody used on a mothership
It's a pretty MASSIVE buff compared to live. CCP clearly doesn't want Moms/Titans (who got a weapon nerf as well) flying around blowing up capitals solo, which they would have been able to do quite easily.
Frankly they'll probably reduce Titan production costs as well with the removal of an AoE DDD.
I'd like to again recommend waiting for the official devblog on the changes, but feel free to cancel your accounts.
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Umbrellaface
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:37:00 -
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It amazes me time and time again that so many CCP employees are clueless about their own game!
Once upon a time I petitioned about remote repair mechanics. Everyone who has flown a logistics ship or remote repair battleship knows that repairing someone does not prevent you from jumping through a gate. CCP told me time and time again that repairing does, in fact, prevent you from jumping. I tested myself. I asked others. Everyone except CCP agreed: you can jump as long as you don't use some sort of aggressive module (gun, launcher, nos, neut, smartbomb, target painter, etc). I petitioned more. I was referred to outdated guides which had no info about remote repair mechanics. I petitioned more. CCP claimed they did their own testing and were unable to jump but wouldn't provide any sort of proof whatsoever of their claims. Yeah, right.
Then they release information about Dominion. EVERYONE rejoices that sov warfare is going to become less painful. Perhaps people are split on some of the issues like removing doomsdays. Most people like that 0.0 would become more accessible for the fledgling sov-holder under the new mechanics. So then CCP decides that they aren't going to use some sort of non-linear system for sov/upgrades. The costs become prohibitive for small aliances and the costs become enormous for large alliances. But you benefit a lot with all of the promised cool upgrades, right? No. The upgrades blow. Rage ensues on forum. CCP realizes they had no clue (do they even do any math before they release these figures?) and adjusts the initial figures.
People were so excited about supercarriers when they were first envisioned: Finally that mothership that has been parked in a POS on an alt could be used. Fighter bombers, wow those are cool and they do huge damage versus other capital ships. They're still expensive and still tie up a character but at least they are worth flying! You see some reward for that risk! Then we get this wonderful supercarrier information--people that already own them are getting screwed by the reduced base cost. People that want to fly them are disenchanted by seeing that they are now, once again, a slightly glorified carrier.
I understand that things won't always be perfect upon release but how can CCP time and time again be so out of touch with their own game? Whether it's a mechanic that the GMs are clueless about or whether it's a potential feature that's totally off base--leave it to CCP to botch it.
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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:37:00 -
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april fools was 7 months ago CCP. keep up guys!
**[.-H-.] Hostile.**
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:39:00 -
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The changes did occur on the 11.11.
This time marks the begin of the carnival season.
So it might be indeed a joke.
Sad thing is - and the high ranks of CCP should really worry about that - that most of the playerbase could absolutely believe CCP doing such crap for real (me inculding).
A lot of people lost faith in CCP and they don't trust the devs any more that they can make good game design decisions.
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The Internets
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie The changes did occur on the 11.11.
This time marks the begin of the carnival season.
So it might be indeed a joke.
Sad thing is - and the high ranks of CCP should really worry about that - that most of the playerbase could absolutely believe CCP doing such crap for real (me inculding).
A lot of people lost faith in CCP and they don't trust the devs any more that they can make good game design decisions.
By most of the playerbase you mean the 0.002% of people who fly these ships, right?
But no, obviously CCP loves to pull fast ones on people for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, right? Clearly they did this for fun, and don't have any long term plans that will result in rebalancings such as this prior in order to pave the way! They have no clue what they're doing, despite being pretty successful for the past 6+ years of this game. The random stupid idiots know better! Post more, because we are the armchair developers!
Bunch of morons the lot of you. Calm down instead of FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RAGE RARARA.
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Ridjeck Thome
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ridjeck Thome on 12/11/2009 21:46:23 WTG CCP - fire and forget.......
Give the bombshell and leave us paying customers wondering WTH is going on. Dont play the 'but we've gone home lark' on us - any sane company would be ab le to give the ENTIRE STORY - including Nozh's fabled 'dev blog soon' (tm, CCP 2004-2009), when yuo drop something as crappy as this on us. If you want, you can go to the next level and try texting us all these things and taking the phone off the hook...
Mind you, good luck explaining why Ive lost 10+bn isk and invested all that time in training a mothership pilot alt. Star Wars: The Old Republic is on its way from the shop (ordered tonight). Do you REALLY think that people will invest a character to sit trapped permanently in these planned 'crappycarriers?'
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:47:00 -
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C/D: Ninja nerfing a ship that just received what was considered a good and fair boost then fabricating some 'shooting moving capitals. lol.' role to try to bull**** your way through player outrage is pro PR.
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets
Pros: Build cost slashed to 5-6b
WRONG it is game breaking. Affordeble EWAR immune rampaging herds of RR AEON's is what we will see in 6 months and the nerf bat will be swong agian.. I cant think of any likely scenarios thay would be able to break a lets say 50man AEON fleet
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets .....
Either a bad troll, or you're exceedingly ******ed. Or maybe you haven't been playing for long, it's ok. -----------
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 12/11/2009 21:54:51
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
A decent number. The vast majority of people posting here are pretty ******ed considering that despite the 'nerf', they're still getting boosted significantly, and furthermore that the devblog that they said they were working on in regards to this change has not been posted yet, likely explaining what their plans are.
Don't you think 2 weeks before patch is a bit late to be making massive changes to something that had previously been a settled issue, that most people were excited about?
Quote: Keep in mind this is the change from current live to Dominion:
Pros: 10x EHP Build cost slashed to 5-6b New weapon system (and significantly more DPS in an anti-capital role)
keep in minds that according to ccp stats there are on average 400 of these logged in at once, so there are probably several thousand in existence (unless i saw the stats wrong), the value of these existant ships is being changed radically and without warning or explanation.
The new weapon system is of limted value, since capital on capital engagements are a once a month type event (if not less frequent), the rest of the time these ships are no better than carriers. Furthermore, the stats being tossed around by the dev in question involves the fitting of several modules (DCU's lol) that noone has fitted in years, and in doing so is a nerf to the survivability of these ships.
Quote: Cons: Reduced defense/offense against smaller ships Removal of modules nobody used on a mothership
It's a pretty MASSIVE buff compared to live. CCP clearly doesn't want Moms/Titans (who got a weapon nerf as well) flying around blowing up capitals solo, which they would have been able to do quite easily.
In most cases, i think that live motherships are superior to test, with the rare exception of cap fights. And in that case, what are you going to fly, the fully insurable, instant damage dread, or the giant easily neutralized brick?
Quote: Frankly they'll probably reduce Titan production costs as well with the removal of an AoE DDD.
and this would be an equally stupid idea. The answer to overnerfing a ship is not to kill the price of all the ones already in existence, its to boost them so that they are worth the investment people *already* made.
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Gnulpie The changes did occur on the 11.11.
This time marks the begin of the carnival season.
So it might be indeed a joke.
Sad thing is - and the high ranks of CCP should really worry about that - that most of the playerbase could absolutely believe CCP doing such crap for real (me inculding).
A lot of people lost faith in CCP and they don't trust the devs any more that they can make good game design decisions.
By most of the playerbase you mean the 0.002% of people who fly these ships, right?
But no, obviously CCP loves to pull fast ones on people for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, right? Clearly they did this for fun, and don't have any long term plans that will result in rebalancings such as this prior in order to pave the way! They have no clue what they're doing, despite being pretty successful for the past 6+ years of this game. The random stupid idiots know better! Post more, because we are the armchair developers!
Bunch of morons the lot of you. Calm down instead of FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RAGE RARARA.
lol you must not have been playing this game for long, most or all the current problems with this game are because of decisions ccp made despite player rage. They have very little credibility to work with at this point.
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Gnulpie The changes did occur on the 11.11.
This time marks the begin of the carnival season.
So it might be indeed a joke.
Sad thing is - and the high ranks of CCP should really worry about that - that most of the playerbase could absolutely believe CCP doing such crap for real (me inculding).
A lot of people lost faith in CCP and they don't trust the devs any more that they can make good game design decisions.
By most of the playerbase you mean the 0.002% of people who fly these ships, right?
But no, obviously CCP loves to pull fast ones on people for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, right? Clearly they did this for fun, and don't have any long term plans that will result in rebalancings such as this prior in order to pave the way! They have no clue what they're doing, despite being pretty successful for the past 6+ years of this game. The random stupid idiots know better! Post more, because we are the armchair developers!
Bunch of morons the lot of you. Calm down instead of FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RAGE RARARA.
Hi, Mr.Troll. Nice to see you. Let me ask you a question. Do your mommy and daddy know that your using their computer? No. Well maybe you should get off and leave the discussion to the grown ups. Thank you.
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Mashashige
Minmatar Eternal Perseverance Hellstrome Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:57:00 -
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How can CCP prevent ****-storms like this from happening again?
After searching deep within my heart, I have found the one answer to answer them all!
FREE MITNAL!
Yes, bring back consumer relations - bring back GMs/dev/etc that had people skills and had the community liking them. Get decent GMs + procedures so that petitioning will actually be something players do and not ***** about. Spend less time on the bling and more time on real content - as much as we like all the CCP songs/movies/etc, id rather see actual real changes to gameplay over a 5 minute laugh. Same for game design - Id rather see the game mechanics changes take precedence over making star or planets or whatever look better. Eve was fine even when it looked like pixelated ****s floating in space.
TL;DR for you CCP guys - People skills + warm attitude + making the players feel they are actually worth something more than 15$ a month >>>>>>>> anything else. And you guys seem to have forgotten that. "Family business" my ass - more like big ass conglomerate who doesn't give a ****.
Oh well, atleast we always have bioware. =======================================
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:57:00 -
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what if.... carrier level added +1 and DCU added +2 or +3? - putting the gist back into logistics |
The Internets
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat
Originally by: The Internets .....
Either a bad troll, or you're exceedingly ******ed. Or maybe you haven't been playing for long, it's ok.
I'm not a part of the group of children screaming that their toys have been taken away before any concrete explanation (re. the devblog) has been offered.
Newsflash, supercarriers are receiving large buffs compared to their current live incarnations. The fact that they're not as amazing as you thought they were previously does not invalidate this fact.
And a 5-6b production cost doesn't mean that everyone and their dog will be flying one. They're still incapable of docking and require solid logistics to produce. Plus should fleets of these appear, they're bound to run into eachother and cause very expensive fleet fights. The same thing was said about battleships years ago when EVE was new.
And I'm not trolling, you people are overreacting. CCP has not yet provided their reasoning or justification for these changes but have said they will do so. Knee-jerk reactions and threats of account cancellation are idiotic when you're in the dark still and have absolutely no idea about the bigger picture.
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Grekken
Caldari Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grekken on 12/11/2009 22:03:35 Edited by: Grekken on 12/11/2009 22:02:36 Locked. Spam.
Test Server Feedback is not the place for this. Jita Park Speaker's Corner would be more appropriate if you wish to bring this up with the CSM.
WTF IS THIS BULL S***. He locked the thred for the Petition.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1213351&page=11 ----------------------------------------------- Vader Wills It!
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Kel Arkir
Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:01:00 -
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The Petition thread has been locked as Spam... .. .........
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 12/11/2009 22:06:00 Linkage
this is the test server feedback forum. You are getting feedback from players, it is not spam.
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Jordan Musgrat
Originally by: The Internets .....
Either a bad troll, or you're exceedingly ******ed. Or maybe you haven't been playing for long, it's ok.
I'm not a part of the group of children screaming that their toys have been taken away before any concrete explanation (re. the devblog) has been offered.
most of the peopel responding in this thread do not have motherships.
Quote: Newsflash, supercarriers are receiving large buffs compared to their current live incarnations. The fact that they're not as amazing as you thought they were previously does not invalidate this fact.
there are also receiving very strong nerfs as well.
Quote: And a 5-6b production cost doesn't mean that everyone and their dog will be flying one. They're still incapable of docking and require solid logistics to produce. Plus should fleets of these appear, they're bound to run into eachother and cause very expensive fleet fights. The same thing was said about battleships years ago when EVE was new.
Noone will want these because they can't dock and they have no role that isn't already being done better by another ship.
Quote: And I'm not trolling, you people are overreacting. CCP has not yet provided their reasoning or justification for these changes but have said they will do so. Knee-jerk reactions and threats of account cancellation are idiotic when you're in the dark still and have absolutely no idea about the bigger picture.
If ccp had brains they would make an announcement about the changes when they make the changes, not wait for player rage.
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:03:00 -
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LOL.
I guess that CCP dude dont have a degree in PR
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BANDIT BACKDOOR
Minmatar Minmatar Gay Slave Right League
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grekken Edited by: Grekken on 12/11/2009 22:02:36 Locked. Spam.
Test Server Feedback is not the place for this. Jita Park Speaker's Corner would be more appropriate if you wish to bring this up with the CSM.
WTF IS THIS BULL S***. He locked the thred for the Petition.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1213351&page=11
He could have just moved to jita park - but ofc he locks it. HES THE Z-MAN!!!!! Most hated of all :P
Looks like CCP is trying to silence any dissent - they did the same when we *****ed about the moderation in C&P ruining the forum, and they'll do it again any time they dont like what we have to say. Pretty sleek move CCP, its sure to quiet down the **** storm!!!
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:06:00 -
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theres also the little problem that fighterbombers wont do full damage to a sieged dread
Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
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Seneram
Caldari B'haxed Productions The Dominium
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:06:00 -
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Oh come on they locked the damn thread?!?!?! I was about to sign it for the damn cause and that i have been skilling to become a Mom eventually a titan pilot.. That is all down the drain now i am actually thinking about quitting eve, Just about five days ago i said "Ill quit eve the day hell freezes over" And i gotta say... I feel quite cold ATM... Did hell freeze over? ------------------------------------------------- PewPew |
The Internets
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: The Internets on 12/11/2009 22:08:31
Originally by: Sarah Norbulk
Hi, Mr.Troll. Nice to see you. Let me ask you a question. Do your mommy and daddy know that your using their computer? No. Well maybe you should get off and leave the discussion to the grown ups. Thank you.
Since you must be illiterate, I am advocating that the doomsayers in this thread wait for CCP's official devblog explaining their reasoning comes out before declaring the end of the world, since the nerdrage in this thread at this moment in time is based off of incredibly little information.
What if CCP just wants to set some specific roles to capitals because they're planning on introducing T2 caps in the next expansion? Making supercarriers a mobile anti-capital platform while a mothership replacement is being designed? Etc? The thing is you don't know, so calm down and wait for a real answer. You people are the ones kicking and screaming; who are the children here?
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matrix666
Gallente X.S. Industries Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: matrix666 on 12/11/2009 22:11:45 Surely a petion is customer feedback? FOR STUFF ON THE TEST SERVER THIS MUST BE THE BEST PLACE! And yes i did recently buy a Nyx on another accounts for the patch! Re-fund on the 8 billion isk my ship will loose, do i petion for it?
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Caylle
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:11:00 -
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I love the new changes! Halving the production costs and doubling the HP is brilliant. I do think that they should have the same traits as carriers though, being able to delegate fighters and bombers and being able to use triage being the most important.
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Tinator
Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets Edited by: The Internets on 12/11/2009 22:08:31
Originally by: Sarah Norbulk
Hi, Mr.Troll. Nice to see you. Let me ask you a question. Do your mommy and daddy know that your using their computer? No. Well maybe you should get off and leave the discussion to the grown ups. Thank you.
Since you must be illiterate, I am advocating that the doomsayers in this thread wait for CCP's official devblog explaining their reasoning comes out before declaring the end of the world, since the nerdrage in this thread at this moment in time is based off of incredibly little information.
What if CCP just wants to set some specific roles to capitals because they're planning on introducing T2 caps in the next expansion? Making supercarriers a mobile anti-capital platform while a mothership replacement is being designed? Etc? The thing is you don't know, so calm down and wait for a real answer. You people are the ones kicking and screaming; who are the children here?
I believe you are dismissing the fact that most people writing here are ones who own a mothership currently/have on being built, and who are about to lose a fairly significant amount of ISK because of it... ?
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
A decent number. The vast majority of people posting here are pretty ******ed considering that despite the 'nerf', they're still getting boosted significantly, and furthermore that the devblog that they said they were working on in regards to this change has not been posted yet, likely explaining what their plans are.
Keep in mind this is the change from current live to Dominion:
Pros: 10x EHP Build cost slashed to 5-6b New weapon system (and significantly more DPS in an anti-capital role)
Cons: Reduced defense/offense against smaller ships Removal of modules nobody used on a mothership
It's a pretty MASSIVE buff compared to live. CCP clearly doesn't want Moms/Titans (who got a weapon nerf as well) flying around blowing up capitals solo, which they would have been able to do quite easily.
This is actually a pretty good point if true. I've done well on patch speculation, took losses on patch speculation, and when it comes down to it, if this is true all the people buying/building new ones on the announced changes were basically doing patch speculation on a huge scale and made the wrong bet; which is just an inevitable risk to speculating on patches.
Still hurts for people who had them before that and will feel less special flying them now that they will be more common, though, even if their ship is improving relative to TQ (assuming you are right in saying that, I honestly don't know). And since people's expectations were up they'll still be annoyed, ofc.
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Neily
The Circle
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:12:00 -
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2 YEARS OF WORK, YES I HARD WORK TO HAVE THAT SHIP
Not only the cost of the SHIP+WASTE OF SKILLS+COST OF SKILLS+PAYING A ACCOUNT ALL MONTHS TO BE DOCK IN SPACE
I WANT MY MONEY BACK
I¦M STARTING TO BE TIRED OF THIS
WAKE UP CCP !!! AND I HOPE THIS IS ONLY A BUG AND NOT TRUE
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Lith Erivi
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:14:00 -
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As a wyvern pilot I actually like these changes, however, I do not like the fact that billions of isk I spent is magically going poof because CCP said so. As things stand I can self destruct my current wyvern and buy a new one in dominion with BASE INSURANCE COST.
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The Internets
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tinator
Originally by: The Internets Edited by: The Internets on 12/11/2009 22:08:31
Originally by: Sarah Norbulk
Hi, Mr.Troll. Nice to see you. Let me ask you a question. Do your mommy and daddy know that your using their computer? No. Well maybe you should get off and leave the discussion to the grown ups. Thank you.
Since you must be illiterate, I am advocating that the doomsayers in this thread wait for CCP's official devblog explaining their reasoning comes out before declaring the end of the world, since the nerdrage in this thread at this moment in time is based off of incredibly little information.
What if CCP just wants to set some specific roles to capitals because they're planning on introducing T2 caps in the next expansion? Making supercarriers a mobile anti-capital platform while a mothership replacement is being designed? Etc? The thing is you don't know, so calm down and wait for a real answer. You people are the ones kicking and screaming; who are the children here?
I believe you are dismissing the fact that most people writing here are ones who own a mothership currently/have on being built, and who are about to lose a fairly significant amount of ISK because of it... ?
While the fact is unfortunate, and likely a large cause of a lot of the anguish in this thread, CCP has to make changes time to time. The speed and snake nerfs caused myself to lose ~30b worth of investments that I couldn't unload in time, and at the time I was pretty angry myself. But in the long run it was for the good of the game and addressed the largest 'issue' EVE had at the time.
Sometimes you have to cut down a few trees to clear the land for new buildings, right?
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider what if.... carrier level added +1 and DCU added +2 or +3?
Smartbomb, Neut, Remote Rep, Remote ECM Burst, Cloak
What are, 'things far more useful in a supercarrier highslot' for 1000.
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