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Grekken
Caldari Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 23:53:00 -
[571]
Yeah they jsut deleted ANOTHER post of mine just because I called em out.... F it im off to play COD ----------------------------------------------- Vader Wills It!
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SXYGeeK
Gallente do you Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.12 23:54:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 12/11/2009 23:23:09
Originally by: Yosser Hughes
Originally by: CCP Nozh Explosion Radius: 3500 Explosion Velocity: 45 Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number) Damage: 3600
What the hell, have you no idea how missiles work at all? With a 3500 explosion radius, supercarriers will be doing %50 damage to dreads.
Just for the record, based on those numbers you get:
Damage vs. Thanatos at no speed = ~3050 (so 6099 max DPS w/ Nozh's mystery fit, 7600 from Nyx) Damage vs. Thanatos at full speed = ~1350 (so 2700 / 3375 DPS).
Damage vs. Moros at no speed = ~1800 (3600 / 4500 DPS). Damage vs. Moros at full speed = ~800 (1600 / 2000 DPS).
do your calculations factor in the "damage reduction factor" ? it is the magic number after all. -We So SeXy |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:01:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Sinc hmm i really hope ccp think about some reinbushment for everyone who owns these ships or have them in build allready. There is a lot building them right up to dominion hits .. who now have to sell them for less then buildcost, because you suddenly changes everything.
Changes on SISI are labled every 10 seconds as NOT FINAL
CHANGES ARE NOT FINAL SO DONT BUILD EXPECTING THEM TO BE
You were speculating despite the warnings and now you have lost out. Bad luck. Prices can go down as well us up.
SKUNK (o)
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Protheroe
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat They're not ignoring it, they're still deleting posts they don't like. Like alot of posts.
Credit where credit is due though, they aren't above censoring their own statements as well. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:05:00 -
[575]
Edited by: Blane Xero on 13/11/2009 00:06:19
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Sinc hmm i really hope ccp think about some reinbushment for everyone who owns these ships or have them in build allready. There is a lot building them right up to dominion hits .. who now have to sell them for less then buildcost, because you suddenly changes everything.
Changes on SISI are labled every 10 seconds as NOT FINAL
CHANGES ARE NOT FINAL SO DONT BUILD EXPECTING THEM TO BE
You were speculating despite the warnings and now you have lost out. Bad luck. Prices can go down as well us up.
SKUNK
Your logic does not equate for people that would have been building them anyway had the boost announcement never gone ahead. What about those people who weren't "Speculating" but were just doing what they had been doing all this time since they started building supercaps?
What happens for all the people with build jobs now that end after dominion? Do they get refunded the unneeded materials post dominion or do the minerals simply go off into the abyss? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Xolax Castle
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:07:00 -
[576]
WOW, been away since COD came out and now MOMS are being nerfed... Personally I don't think this change is going to be going into action. I thought that just the Titan was broken and the MOMS were fine??? I know that CCP will do the right thing here and change it back. Or it will be a little awkward next time they have a fanfest... Because I am pretty sure most of the people that go to fanfest are your big time players and big time players own supercaps...
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:19:45 Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:18:49
Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 13/11/2009 00:06:19
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Sinc hmm i really hope ccp think about some reinbushment for everyone who owns these ships or have them in build allready. There is a lot building them right up to dominion hits .. who now have to sell them for less then buildcost, because you suddenly changes everything.
Changes on SISI are labled every 10 seconds as NOT FINAL
CHANGES ARE NOT FINAL SO DONT BUILD EXPECTING THEM TO BE
You were speculating despite the warnings and now you have lost out. Bad luck. Prices can go down as well us up.
SKUNK
Your logic does not equate for people that would have been building them anyway had the boost announcement never gone ahead. What about those people who weren't "Speculating" but were just doing what they had been doing all this time since they started building supercaps?
What happens for all the people with build jobs now that end after dominion? Do they get refunded the unneeded materials post dominion or do the minerals simply go off into the abyss?
Why should they?
-->DONT FLY WHAT YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE
Rule 1 of eve. All you capital pilots should know this.
There is a long line of ships, modules, skills, and implants losing value (or indeed gaining value) due to changes in the game. This is known to pretty much every player, and especially players old enough to fly capital ships.
When invention came out - T2 BPO holders lost a fortune. Were you threatening to leave then? Or have you been hapily and greedily snapping up cheap tech 2 items.
I didn't get any isk back when medium and small rigs came out for example. I have cruiser sat in my bay with large tech 2 rigs fitted. If these MOM whiners are getting money back - I want my money back to!
SKUNK (o)
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Royaldo
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:18:00 -
[578]
I feel really sorry for the people who have invested in these ships.
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Loki Farseer
F9X Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:19:00 -
[579]
I'm going on record that if this stands... it's going to get worse cause they will Nerf-Bat the Dreads and Carriers to make this look good. ><
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cBOLTSON
Caldari Point of No Return Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:19:00 -
[580]
If anyone from CCP - Or the player community is reading this , please hear me out [So to speak...]
I AM NOT a supercap pilot, I DO NOT own anything to do with supercap production. I have only been playing 8 months or so.
To me 'PERSONALLY' these changes dont really mean a great deal. Now before you flame me please let me finish.....
CCP - What I see here is that you are screwing your hardcore long term playerbase / customer base. This same customer base pays your wages and you wouldn't be here today if it was not for them.
THAT TO ME MAKES YOU UNTRUSTWORTH AS A BUISNESS PARTNER.
Please reconsider what you are doing. Just going on the ammout of attention this has attracted should make you see the error of your ways.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Royaldo I feel really sorry for the people who have invested in these ships.
They're just ships lol, you sound as if you're talking to a bereaved relative ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |
Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:22:00 -
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Quote: What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role
Isn't that exactly what it was on SISI, up until a few days ago?
Originally by: CCP Nozh which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets
"Explosion Velocity: 45"
???
Quote: nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage
My nyx can move 80 m/s while it kills things, YES!
Quote: The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts
You're right, your supercap player base is dumb and overlooking this fact. Oh, and taking multiple billions worth of mostly uninsurable super cap onto the field isn't a commitment, nor is having a dedicated account/character + pos to keep it.
Originally by: CCP Nozh There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.
Innapropriate language removed. Zymurgist ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:22:00 -
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so is CCP gonna reimburse me the 6 billion isk difference? I finally built one specifically for the new role and loved the looks of it....now you completely nerf it to be worthless again and on top of that are reducing build cost by 50% and expect us to praise you? anybody got a link to the new Star Trek Online game? I think it's time to leave EVE and find a new game. |
IronGoldenEagle
The New Era Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:22:00 -
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Guys, Obey! OBEY! These changes are good for us...these changes are good for us... Don't voice your concerns or annoyance or you get the gas!
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:22:00 -
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yes ive seen that a lot of my posts have vanished, the changes do need to be adjusted quite a bit Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:24:00 -
[586]
Meh, meant to say it's no biggie - FOTMs come, FOTMs go, at least way it'll force players to become more creative. Should make for some interesting choices on the battlefield!
Adapt or die, right? ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |
Ikoma Sunblazer
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:26:00 -
[587]
HOLY **** THEY GOT MODS ON STANDBY MY POSTD GOT DELETED QUICKFAST
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Zhentor
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Battle Tested so is CCP gonna reimburse me the 6 billion isk difference? I finally built one specifically for the new role and loved the looks of it....now you completely nerf it to be worthless again and on top of that are reducing build cost by 50% and expect us to praise you? anybody got a link to the new Star Trek Online game? I think it's time to leave EVE and find a new game.
This. I had one coming out a week ago. Now the price drops by half? And no mention of any sort of coverage for those who started jobs with half of the information that was going to be supplied? This is ridiculous.
Maybe ~6 years is just too long for a single MMO to last.
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Terracian SHcorp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Terracian SHcorp on 13/11/2009 00:29:38 Its a good thing they cant delete my posts everywhere else showing my opinion about this thread not allowing negative opinions of CCP's Iron hand, trying to stop people from voicing there opinions...
These new changes are going to cost them in the long run and I hope they realize it before its too late and EVE is a thing of the past, put in the minds of many as a game they used to play, especially after 7 years of hard work and real money for myself anyways...
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:30:00 -
[590]
On the bright side carrier futures are looking very rosy, buy now ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Terracian SHcorp Edited by: Terracian SHcorp on 13/11/2009 00:29:38 Its a good thing they cant delete my posts everywhere else showing my opinion about this thread not allowing negative opinions of CCP's Iron hand, trying to stop people from voicing there opinions...
These new changes are going to cost them in the long run and I hope they realize it before its too late and EVE is a thing of the past, put in the minds of many as a game they used to play, especially after 7 years of hard work and real money for myself anyways...
exactly.....EVE "was" a great game....on to a new one I suppose |
HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:32:00 -
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the thing i love long term is that nerfs usually become buffs again at some point if changes go to far once it goes live, ccp has quickly changed things before the best protest everyone can do is disucss it before hand but if the changes to thro as is just park youre motherships if they suddenly stop being used all over ccp will very quickly make additional chnages Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal the thing i love long term is that nerfs usually become buffs again at some point if changes go to far once it goes live, ccp has quickly changed things before the best protest everyone can do is disucss it before hand but if the changes to thro as is just park youre motherships if they suddenly stop being used all over ccp will very quickly make additional chnages
Exactly, take the rough with the smooth. I for one, however, don't want to stop my roaring trade in tissues being sold to people raging on here so they can wipe their spittle-flecked chops. ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:36:13
Originally by: Battle Tested so is CCP gonna reimburse me the 6 billion isk difference? I finally built one specifically for the new role and loved the looks of it....now you completely nerf it to be worthless again and on top of that are reducing build cost by 50% and expect us to praise you? anybody got a link to the new Star Trek Online game? I think it's time to leave EVE and find a new game.
Hang on
You got a ship built because of what it was like ON THE TEST SERVER
The very same test server which is well known to be for the testing of POSSIBLE new game features
You looked at the thread outlining the changes which was PLASTERED WITH DISCLAIMERS SAYING PROPOSED CHANGES WERE NOT FINAL
So you speculated, and lost out. Bad luck. Markets go down as well as up.
Now you are going to play star trek online (tee hee) because some more non final changes have been announced.
This is what you are telling us? And we should be upset to see you leave because?
SKUNK (o)
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Terracian SHcorp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:35:00 -
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and if we all self distruct them the day before Dominion goes live for a better payout, Will CCP then deney our insurance too??
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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente Daralux
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:36:00 -
[596]
Hey if any of you are quitting over this i'd happily give your assets a home.
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Tebis
BlackTalon Mining Corp G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:36:00 -
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eh most of the rage is over how this was presented to the community rather than the actual nerf.. it was pretty terrible PR
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Ele Snow
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:37:00 -
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This is crazy, after all the testing and positive feedback someone randomly steps in and hits people who have worked for years to be able to afford a mothership in the teeth.
Not committed to a fight? have you ever been in a large 0.0 battle? both sides caps are normally bubbled for the entire fight. have you heard of hics? you bring a mothership to a fight and you are committed for the duration, win or die.
And as for cutting the build cost of something so expensive by so much, its insane. If you wanted to completely change the ship why not introduce a new class, hell use the old carrier models. But for the love of god don't **** over every mom pilot like this. I sold everything it took me years to accumulate to afford one and now you've made it a ****ty ship and screwed me out of 10b
Thanks CCP, guess its time for a new game.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ele Snow This is crazy, after all the testing and positive feedback someone randomly steps in and hits people who have worked for years to be able to afford a mothership in the teeth.
Not committed to a fight? have you ever been in a large 0.0 battle? both sides caps are normally bubbled for the entire fight. have you heard of hics? you bring a mothership to a fight and you are committed for the duration, win or die.
And as for cutting the build cost of something so expensive by so much, its insane. If you wanted to completely change the ship why not introduce a new class, hell use the old carrier models. But for the love of god don't **** over every mom pilot like this. I sold everything it took me years to accumulate to afford one and now you've made it a ****ty ship and screwed me out of 10b
Thanks CCP, guess its time for a new game.
A tissue for you, madam ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |
FlashSpawn
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:39:00 -
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CCP:
2 weeks ago I put a Nyx into build, it cost me 12.5B in minerals to build the comps.
Through no fault of mine at all or market movement or speculation, I can now only sell the ship for 6B tops? So I have lost 6B+ though no fault of mine, is that fair? Can you comment on this?
Flash
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