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CONCORDOKKENED
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Posted - 2009.11.14 15:44:00 -
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If supercarriers will actually be able to dock, there should be no compensation at all considered; each of these players no longer have to run an additional account/character garage which they'd be able to sell to someone wanting to hop into a supercarrier very easily.
It's also setting a precedent that would most certainly come back later in future changes. Don't cater to the whiners, they'll keep playing no matter what happens.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.14 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: thebarry It seems quite obvious to me that ccp is just interfering with all the supercarrier speculation that's been going on. When the '5-6bn build cost' didn't shake things up, they went with the fake nerfbat. They're probably giggling at this threadnought...
considering they've actually made the changes on sisi, in description of the items and tables. Well I really don't think it's a sham, unless the bosses prefer to see their dev's hours spent on enraging the customer base. Which I really doubt.
at least they didnt have zulupark announce it that poor boy is still recovering from the last time the nerf bat was aimed at carriers/moms...
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kaplowwwwwwwwwwwww
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Posted - 2009.11.14 15:54:00 -
[1233]
Originally by: CONCORDOKKENED Edited by: CONCORDOKKENED on 14/11/2009 15:46:23 If supercarriers will actually be able to dock, there should be no compensation at all considered; each of these players no longer have to run an additional account/character garage which they'd be able to sell to someone wanting to hop into a supercarrier very easily.
It's also setting a precedent that would most certainly come back later in future changes. Don't cater to the whiners, they'll keep playing no matter what happens.
Also remove their ability to use remote-rep capital modules to prevent giant ewar immune spidertanks.
stfu
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Ordais
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:31:00 -
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They wanted to introduce a new ship? They should have done so. They wanted to remove MoMs? They should have done so. (just replace old ones with isk/components/whatever)
But what you are doing here is one of the dumbest things you have done lately, and you have done your share in the past. Is this the downside on scram-teams you so prise these days? Get your game-change every 2 weeks, as another team is working on them? Screw it up 2 weeks later with another team?
CCP has focused alot the past years to get more professional, or so they claim, hiring more ppl, but in the process they are getting slower on reaction-times (how long did you need to change sov again? to see how bad the DD was? the list is long...) and there is a concerning influx of other "publisher behaviours" going on now (the latest forum-topic-locks? trying to sneak in such drastic changes and keep it as quite as possible? pretending to listen to your playerbase by putting things on a long long list and then saying you needed years working issues out, who are you kidding?).
They say "we need time to make well thought out changes". Yea right, we see how well thought out you are doing "changes"...we have the best example right in front of us.
You wonder why we are all ****ed off? Well, isn't your motto something like "hardn the *uck up" in your rep-song? Well, back at you.
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: ByFstugan
- Let more ppl enjoy more ships and not only the filthy rich.
The non "filthy rich" have fairly good access to every ship in game except 2 (excluding uniques) and that isn't enough?
Quote: Someone else above (MS owner) said that the changes for SC's might be a good change for the future (even if it hurt him abit), to give room for new supercapitals in the future.
So...new supercapitals like the one we were going to have before Nozh came out of his cage? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Phoenix vajaa
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:37:00 -
[1236]
Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:48:00 -
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Well, if they wanted to make lowsec anymore **** they've achived it. I'm not looking forward to 3mil EHP supercapitals playing station games. ---
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:50:00 -
[1238]
Edited by: SolarKnight on 14/11/2009 16:53:06
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
This.
Rollback the changes, and if you must make a ship that can field 10 - 15 bomber drones, make a new ship, or at very least, leave the 20 fighters alone and increase bandwidth of the bombers.
Don't change what isn't broken. The Light in the Darkness
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Fleur D'oranger
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:00:00 -
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I was going to get one before the changes. I'm still going to get one. I'm glad they're going to be able to dock. I'm glad they're cheaper and will be more likely to get used for something besides camping low sec gates by Rens (yeah, I'm looking at you Tri).
So they aren't solo-pwnmobile / status symbol anymore. Docking, a price that makes losing them not the end of the world, a specific role to play other than griefing = win. Hold where you are, CCP.
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Ryan Powers
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:00:00 -
[1240]
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
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Aurorae Andromedae
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:09:00 -
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Chill out, they are just testing you guys out and lol'n right now
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Alski
Ministers Of Destruction.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:10:00 -
[1242]
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
Speaking as someone who one of these days might actually bother to sell his mothership char (superwut? pffft.) and who would profit greatly from these changes - but recognises that docking solopwnmobils is ******ed, f'in /signed. -
(combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
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The Nastrond
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:15:00 -
[1243]
Originally by: Ryan Powers
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.[/b]
Or perhaps they figured out that ewar immune, 30m+ EHP, 12,000+ DPS ships were monstrously unbalanced (since their usage would skyrocket, 15-20b is easily affordable nowadays) and they decided to make them more reasonable.
Can you honestly say that the old sisi supercarrier changes wouldn't cause problems down the line? Unlike the titan AoE DDD, they stopped this one before it became problematic.
If the costs are being reduced, to stop the proliferation of large masses of supercarriers, insurance payouts should be removed completely on ships of this size class as well. Otherwise you'll see them being thrown about like today's carriers/dreads.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:17:00 -
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Docking a supercarrier? Anywhere?
Perhaps I might consider one someday. But seriously, I thought the whole "docking supercarriers" was this big controversial thing. Why is CCP so quick to just come out and say, "Fine fine fine, 15 drones and you can dock. Happy?"
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:18:00 -
[1245]
Originally by: The Nastrond
Originally by: Ryan Powers
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.[/b]
Or perhaps they figured out that ewar immune, 30m+ EHP, 12,000+ DPS ships were monstrously unbalanced (since their usage would skyrocket, 15-20b is easily affordable nowadays) and they decided to make them more reasonable.
Can you honestly say that the old sisi supercarrier changes wouldn't cause problems down the line? Unlike the titan AoE DDD, they stopped this one before it became problematic.
If the costs are being reduced, to stop the proliferation of large masses of supercarriers, insurance payouts should be removed completely on ships of this size class as well. Otherwise you'll see them being thrown about like today's carriers/dreads.
They will not stop proliferation by removing insurance on these things. you generally build supercapitals knowing you cannot insure them.
Also, the solution to making them more common is to drop the price? are you crazy? so to stop them becoming common you make them CHEAPER?
If they are able to dock, then everyone and their mother is going to buy them, they will obsolete carriers and we will see every low sec station/gate/WH entrance camped by these things.
If they had issues with the dps of the bombers, then adjust the dps of the bombers, don't gimp every other balanced aspect of the ship. The Light in the Darkness
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evilempire0
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:26:00 -
[1246]
I dont mind motherships be able to dock aslong as you change the aggresion timer to scale with the size of ships like I suggested at fanfest this year IE motherships have a 5-10m aggro timer on station it will solve the problem with undocking games and still allow motherships to dock [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=evilempire0][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,evilempire0/tpl,userbar_Minmatar/signature.png |
Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:29:00 -
[1247]
Yo, just dropping by this thread on day 3 of "CCP went full ******"-comedy.
Stopped raging and began laughing at the mess about a day ago.
Have fun with the ****up and look at the bright side guys.
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:29:00 -
[1248]
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 14/11/2009 17:35:09
Originally by: The Nastrond 30m+ EHP
Exactly which supercarrier had 30m+ EHP and 12K dps? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
LAZMAN
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:32:00 -
[1249]
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
this
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sue denim
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:33:00 -
[1250]
all the people clamoring about a 30min redock timer you suck it's a terrible idea :|
Just make so that if you are hic pointed you can not dock, end o story.
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Natasha Coutah
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:42:00 -
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I thank you For considering the POST with the reinbursement for current supercarriers. A few issues i wish to address are the following. 1.Due to the new Supercannon on titans you removed there ability to attack POSes. New 5-6bn MoMs will flood the market and there EWAR immunity which they should have will make them the primary fleet to attack POSes and MODs because unless there is a interdictor the pos or defenses pretty much can do zero even if manned. 2.Seeing i understand the point to make these ships like the Supercarriers of the world today these things must be taken into thought. A: Recucing fighters/bombers in sense removes the versitility and ability to defend the Supercarriers making it nothing more then a Carrier with More HP. To classify as somthing a supercarrier in RL it had to have Survivability,Versitility,and Longevity which is what it seems like your trying. Docking is not an issue as to you already have that covered in upgrades. B: Survivability you have with EWAR immunity and Enhancement of its EHP. C: Versitility you helped with the implimentation of bombers howeever limiting there numbers as much as done removes it from being a commanding pressence. D: Longevity you enhanced alittle by makingit able to jump alittle farther but if this is big its not enough.
Supercarriers IRL are a rarity and only the richest nations can afford them you need to consider this in your modifications in game because obviously there are alot of pilots already and the numbers will flood in smaller costs.
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Susy Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:44:00 -
[1252]
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
This, and the people saying you can't insure super caps blah blah blah. You can insure super caps the devs will put you in the station afaik.
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Severion Atarkos
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:02:00 -
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So you took something that actually looked good for a change and made it bad, then took that situation and made it even worse?...
I really don't know what to think of CCP anymore, nozh has obviously never played the game a day in his life and I cannot believe that the senior devs would allow some halfwit to ruin sel and companies work.
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Max Teranous
tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:13:00 -
[1254]
Free Abathur !
Max
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:14:00 -
[1255]
Originally by: Max Teranous Free Abathur !
Max
This The Light in the Darkness
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:15:00 -
[1256]
my take on this is that Abathur and all his team went to christmas vacations and left Nozh on the wheel. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:21:00 -
[1257]
Originally by: Grimpak my take on this is that Abathur and all his team went to christmas vacations and left Nozh drunk at the wheel.
fixin' this here post
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:22:00 -
[1258]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Grimpak my take on this is that Abathur and all his team went to christmas vacations and left Nozh drunk and high at the wheel.
fixin' this here post
Fixin' your fix The Light in the Darkness
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Odda
Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:23:00 -
[1259]
Originally by: Ryan Powers
Originally by: Phoenix vajaa Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 14/11/2009 16:37:49
41 pages. 35 of them agaisnt any change besides abathur stats. 5 against Docking/6bill cost. And still not happy with 15 drones really.
1 page of people happy they can afford a ship they have not earned and dnt care if the stats are broken and will cause massive game imbalances./ People happy to **** off vetterans.
NO PAGES OF EXPLINATION FROM CCP. NO POST WITH EXPLINATION FROM CCP.
2 POSTS FROM CCP THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Stealthfield Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Dalin Well, Hopefully someone within CCP reads this and realizes what they are about to do with the game. Im one of them luckey few that have bought 2 ms's within the last 4 weeks, so ill lose like what? 30b? on this insane crap. Really wish someone within CCP would grow a pair of balls and acctually comment on this..
I bought a flat screen TV. The price is now 1/3 of what I paid. Did I go back to the shop & ask for a refund- no. The timing of your purchase is somewhat unfortunate but alas prices can & do change. Perhaps what sticks in your throat more is the fact that CCP sold you the sizzle & all your getting now is a raw sausage with little meat.
I suspect that there are reasons behind the changes to the motherships which are political & as such we never might not get to know CCP's real intent or why we were mislead in the way we were & that for me is the sad part.
So, CCP continue to take our monthly subs- feed us bullcrap then shaft us where is hurts most & leave us with the only option to put up with it or biomass.
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