Originally by: Dri Kulsane

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Edited by: Dri Kulsane on 12/11/2009 15:48:05

Originally by: xttz

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I never thought I'd say this but... bring back Seleene.

Nozh can return to making coffee, cleaning the desks or whatever he did before.

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Too true if it's so!!!

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Originally by: Odda

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Every one QUICK selfdestruct your motership!

This wil give you more insurance isk, then the cost of them after dominon!

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Originally by: kapten sortebil

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Why change a perfectly good concept?

The first dominon changes where damn nice!

Not a single person complained about it!

Why whuld you change somthing that was not BROKEN?

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Hey,

The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.

New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):

Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600


Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.

What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.

By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.

There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.


-Nozh

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Hey,

The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.

New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):

Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600


Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.

What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.

By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.

There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.


-Nozh

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Abathur and Hammerhead had this all sewn up nicely at Fanfest. The capital ships panel was broadly hailed as a success and the players were excited about the upcoming changes.

Now you've created chaos where previously there was a surprisingly high degree of order and unanimity, for EVE at least. With your clumsy PR move there, you also just wiped out the wealth of everyone planning and investing in MS builds, or who was planning on selling one pre-patch.

Don't like the changes? Sell your MS! Oh wait, Nozh told everyone they'll be cut in value by 40%, even though that's not been finalized. Good luck selling one now!

I don't know who you are or why you're messing with what was one of the few uncontroversially good aspects of Dominion. But you should back off these changes ASAP. You should also gain a basic understanding of economics/public relations, given how much chaos your lil post there just created.

I don't even fly a supercap, and GS isn't exactly a supercap heavy alliance, but your pro-move stealth nerf and followup nightmare post is infuriating in and of itself. In fact, I'm so annoyed, I'm dropping my posting gimmick to point out how monumentally poorly judged this is.

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Originally by: Agmar

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I think the most interesting thing that Nozh said that every post I've read is glossing over is the fact that DCU's are broken and are being rebalanced.... and he's right.

The last time I fit a DCU was in 2006. If this mod becomes useful, this might not be a horrible thing.

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Originally by: Dratic

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This is ridiculous. Super caps survive by having neuts and smartbombs in their high slots.
There are tons of hics around so the electronic warfare immunity means nothing for serious
engagements. Drone control units even if they were massively buffed wouldn't place them
over something which could realistically save the ship except for now i'm guessing that'll
be Ctrl + Q .

Less than 3 weeks from release this is the wrong time to mess with something like this.

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Originally by: Agmar

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You are correct, and I agree completely with you. DCU's as they are now, are absolutely worthless. If Nozh says that they're being changed, and boosted, say to allow a per level bonus... they may not be horrible. Allowing 1-2 extra drones per level of whatever skill that is could allow for this change to be not worthless.

However, the rationality behind this change seems to be flawed. It is as if someone arbitrarily picked a mod that no one used and decided it needed to be balanced. I'd have preferred that they spend their time on nos/neuts, but w/e.

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• Reduce available bandwidth on SC to 5000


• Change the Drone Control unit bonus to +1 drone and +500mBit/s bandwidth


• Change the SC drone bonus back to +3 per level

Originally by: The Mittani

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Abathur and Hammerhead had this all sewn up nicely at Fanfest. The capital ships panel was broadly hailed as a success and the players were excited about the upcoming changes.

Now you've created chaos where previously there was a surprisingly high degree of order and unanimity, for EVE at least. With your clumsy PR move there, you also just wiped out the wealth of everyone planning and investing in MS builds, or who was planning on selling one pre-patch.

Don't like the changes? Sell your MS! Oh wait, Nozh told everyone they'll be cut in value by 40%, even though that's not been finalized. Good luck selling one now!

I don't know who you are or why you're messing with what was one of the few uncontroversially good aspects of Dominion. But you should back off these changes ASAP. You should also gain a basic understanding of economics/public relations, given how much chaos your lil post there just created.

I don't even fly a supercap, and GS isn't exactly a supercap heavy alliance, but your pro-move stealth nerf and followup nightmare post is infuriating in and of itself. In fact, I'm so annoyed, I'm dropping my posting gimmick to point out how monumentally poorly judged this is.

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Hey,

The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.

New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):

Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600


Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.

What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.

By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.

There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.


-Nozh

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46
Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?

The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.

Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?

Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.

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Originally by: NightHawk VenGarden

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Hey,

The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.

New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):

Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600


Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.

What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.

By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.

There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.


-Nozh

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Abathur and Hammerhead had this all sewn up nicely at Fanfest. The capital ships panel was broadly hailed as a success and the players were excited about the upcoming changes.

Now you've created chaos where previously there was a surprisingly high degree of order and unanimity, for EVE at least. With your clumsy PR move there, you also just wiped out the wealth of everyone planning and investing in MS builds, or who was planning on selling one pre-patch.

Don't like the changes? Sell your MS! Oh wait, Nozh told everyone they'll be cut in value by 40%, even though that's not been finalized. Good luck selling one now!

I don't know who you are or why you're messing with what was one of the few uncontroversially good aspects of Dominion. But you should back off these changes ASAP. You should also gain a basic understanding of economics/public relations, given how much chaos your lil post there just created.

I don't even fly a supercap, and GS isn't exactly a supercap heavy alliance, but your pro-move stealth nerf and followup nightmare post is infuriating in and of itself. In fact, I'm so annoyed, I'm dropping my posting gimmick to point out how monumentally poorly judged this is.

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I would make another post...but this post sums up my thoughts better then I can at the moment as I'm so furious I cannot see straight.

Therefore, I will simply quote this post and use the opportunity to yet again say CCP, WTF ARE YOU THINKING?

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46
Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?

The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.

Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?

Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46
Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?

The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.

Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?

Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.

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Originally by: mineswallower

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46
Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?

The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.

Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?

Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.

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there is something deeply wrong with CCP when they drive me to the point of agreeing with the mittani who is also prasing the virtues of seleene! This is so f***ed up!

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Originally by: Umberto Tann

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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if even HALF the people here complaining about the change, and subsequently threatening to cancel their accounts, actually followed through on their threats...CCP would have something to be worried about.

the problem is, this happens before EVERYmajor patch. Some huge change hits and people cry. Remember the ship HP buff? how about Nano-nerf? Now Moms are being changed in a way adverse to what you all might want, and here we are, a thread full of whiney babies.

You dont like it, dont play....but as far as I can see, 9k DPS out of a mothership is pretty beefy. Quit your raging and either take it like a man/woman...or quit like you say you will.

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Losing 2/3rds of a multi billion costing ship, and i should take it like a man? This is not like a nano nerf.

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Originally by: SteelHelix

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Personally I am a big fan of launching 20 drones but I can kind of understand why you want to limit the amount of Fighter Bombers on the field so instead of limiting the number of drones a SC can launch why not instead limit it by the bandwidth it has available. I mean a FB uses 500mBit/s while everything else is 25mBit/s and lower so setting the Super Carriers available bandwidth to 5000mBit/s will still allow 20 of everything but FB's which will be limited to 10 due to bandwidth. This will also require modifying the Drone Control Unit to not only +1 drone number but also add 500mBit/s Bandwidth.

So in summary:

• Reduce available bandwidth on SC to 5000


• Change the Drone Control unit bonus to +1 drone and +500mBit/s bandwidth


• Change the SC drone bonus back to +3 per level

This will have the main effect of allowing a lvl 5 carrier character to still fly 20 fighters or drones but only 10 Fighter Bombers because of the bandwidth limitation.

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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Originally by: Umberto Tann

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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if even HALF the people here complaining about the change, and subsequently threatening to cancel their accounts, actually followed through on their threats...CCP would have something to be worried about.

the problem is, this happens before EVERYmajor patch. Some huge change hits and people cry. Remember the ship HP buff? how about Nano-nerf? Now Moms are being changed in a way adverse to what you all might want, and here we are, a thread full of whiney babies.

You dont like it, dont play....but as far as I can see, 9k DPS out of a mothership is pretty beefy. Quit your raging and either take it like a man/woman...or quit like you say you will.

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Losing 2/3rds of a multi billion costing ship, and i should take it like a man? This is not like a nano nerf.

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do you want a refund on your battleships when the trit prices plummet too? things change. CCP isng going to "refund" people who spent the old price on the ship. At the time you bought your ship, you pid what it was worth in that market. Now you're upset because someone is going to be able to buy the same ship for less. Boy I hope you dont go to your supermarket and cry that you were 2 weeks late to the sales week...

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