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starliight
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:34:00 -
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Gj ccp way to totaly trash sc's so now unless we have fighter bombers out we do EXACTLY the same dps as a carrier...it just costs 10x the price for it. and thats assuming you can even get fb's on field or an assault frig isnt just insta poping them every time you you try to launch them or assuming that the target dosent have a smart bomb......wich it will, so remind me again why sc's will ever see the field becase i really dont think they ever will in a fleet engagement.
If the feed back from this thread isnt enought for you ccp to see your horrible mistake here than i think you need to realvualte how many accounts will close over this
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:34:00 -
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Hello everyone. While we appreciate that this thread is generating quite a bit of feedback we would ask that your responses be polite and respectful. Please note that any posts which break the forum rules may result in a warning or ban. Thank you. |
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Enosh Kerrim
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:36:00 -
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cant find the right words..... oh wait **** Off CCP
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:36:00 -
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nice of you to repond to this thread with subtle threats about banning
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:37:00 -
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It would be nice to have someone say, the devs that actually hosted the FF panel, respond as to why these changes are going in. That panel was pretty much the highlight of FF. It was incredibly constructive, and very exciting. What happened.
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New ones
Caldari Koln united
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:42:00 -
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Hope some one getts fired for this.
13 bil is a ****load of isk, now you are just gona nerf it?
To zero?
The changes you had 1 week ago where perfect! not a single player complained about it!
You just upsett a ****load of players.
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Mashashige
Minmatar Eternal Perseverance Hellstrome Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mashashige on 12/11/2009 16:43:38
Originally by: CCP StevieSG Hello everyone. While we appreciate that this thread is generating quite a bit of feedback we would ask that your responses be polite and respectful. Please note that any posts which break the forum rules may result in a warning or ban. Thank you.
Two questions love:
1. Since Moms are shiit now, can you be my special "mom"? (think about it in a stalker type sexual deviant voice)
2. Since you guys obviously knew this was going to come, wouldn't have been easier to announce it first before trying to stealth nerf? Or maybe not trying to quiet the fires by s silly 10 lines p. bad PR/whatever post? Or maybe thinking about the changes you make instead of doing **** on a limb and then rolling them back after all hell breaks lose and you have a 50 page whine threadnought? (we all know you'll roll them back btw ).
Regardless, atleast its never around dull around here eh?
Edit: You removed my troll?!?!?!? bastards. =======================================
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Clearly Compensating Da Orkz
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP StevieSG Hello everyone. While we appreciate that this thread is generating quite a bit of feedback we would ask that your responses be polite and respectful. Please note that any posts which break the forum rules may result in a warning or ban. Thank you.
lol at CCP throwing Stevie at the thread for damage control. __________________________________________________ All Glory to the Goat Gods! |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
do you want a refund on your battleships when the trit prices plummet too? things change. CCP isng going to "refund" people who spent the old price on the ship. At the time you bought your ship, you pid what it was worth in that market. Now you're upset because someone is going to be able to buy the same ship for less. Boy I hope you dont go to your supermarket and cry that you were 2 weeks late to the sales week...
Nice troll, but a little applied logic makes you look very silly indeed.
You see, trit prices fluctuate due to supply and demand, it is sold for what the player believes is a fair price for his mining efforts, and ties in with the player driven sandbox environment. This change however has nothing to do with the sandbox, nothing to do with the players... It is simply CCP doing something, for some reason which no-one can quite figure out.
I seem to remember CCP unplugging snake implants from peoples heads in the nano nerf, because the nature of the changes directly affected their usefullness. It's not entirely unreasonable to expect the same this time around. I'd wager that there are far fewer supercap pilots to reimburse now, than there were snake pilots back then.
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karttoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:45:00 -
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Oh god. I was called a troll when I previously suggested that CCP had no clue what they were attempting to change with Dominion, and still didn't have things figured out beyond conceptual ideas before fan fest. If you want to make a gimped version of the MS, then release a new capital hull at the costs you posted.
With all of these last minute off the top of your head design changes, how the hell do you expect to release completely new game mechanics in 2 weeks and not expect everything to break horribly? Have you even figured out how to do this yet?
CCP Management: If by this time your team hasn't figured out essentials like the new supercapital mechanics, or painfully analyzed and tested the new sovereignty mechanics, you need to accept your failure to plan properly and delay the implementation date of this patch. Your staff has evidently dropped the ball here, and letting them proceed with significant changes like this half-assed will probably be the second most embarrassing thing your company has done. Stop putting people in charge of making critical decisions on mechanics changes that do not have a clue how your our is played.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:46:00 -
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Hello everyone,
Before you all start getting on Stevie's back over her post let me just clarify that you are well within your rights to use this thread to post constructive feedback. Posting flaming or trolling comments is not in keeping with the forum rules and any such posts may result in a warning or ban.
No one is saying not to express your opinion or provide feedback, but please do it within the rules of this forum. Please also note that Community do not make game design decisions and nor will we comment on them.
Thank you.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: kapten sortebil
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46 Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?
The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.
Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?
Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.
Actaly agreeing with Mittani
Also actually agreeing with Mittani, what has this world come to??
CCP, please stop letting developers who don't even play the game make major balance changes. The fact that you think DCUs on a carrier/mothership are in any way a good idea would be hilarious if not for the fact that you seem to be determined to balance motherships around such a stupid fitting choice. -----------
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: karttoon Oh god. I was called a troll when I previously suggested that CCP had no clue what they were attempting to change with Dominion, and still didn't have things figured out beyond conceptual ideas before fan fest. If you want to make a gimped version of the MS, then release a new capital hull at the costs you posted.
With all of these last minute off the top of your head design changes, how the hell do you expect to release completely new game mechanics in 2 weeks and not expect everything to break horribly? Have you even figured out how to do this yet?
CCP Management: If by this time your team hasn't figured out essentials like the new supercapital mechanics, or painfully analyzed and tested the new sovereignty mechanics, you need to accept your failure to plan properly and delay the implementation date of this patch. Your staff has evidently dropped the ball here, and letting them proceed with significant changes like this half-assed will probably be the second most embarrassing thing your company has done. Stop putting people in charge of making critical decisions on mechanics changes that do not have a clue how your our is played.
Agreeing with Mittani was bad enough.. But well, Nice post Karttoon.
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Julia Logalus
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:47:00 -
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If this won't be changed back to the way abathur was heading with the proper change to isk worth spending on the ship and not docking witha ship that can only do same DPS as a carrier why even bother at all? I just wasted 14 bil isk in buying a mom which is currently in production. This means if the changes go on like this I will have bought a ship which could have been 40% of the current cost, is totally useless in terms of combat and last but not least I will be stuck in it.
So thinking about this I am shafted in multiple ways for being prepared for the next patch.
So in short: If this doesn't change back at least 75% towards the way Abathur announced this it will be -5 accounts for me. I qill quit this game over this in a blink. What the F are you thinking disregarding all the work that Abathur did so far where players were so excited about and actually brought players back to play the game again... Go think!
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:49:00 -
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You know what really gets me CCP. I really do love EvE. I've been playing for a bit over 3 years and I'm probably one of the youngest pilots(not alt) that this effects. No matter what else is out I always have eve that is my primary game. FFS CoD: MW2 came out on Teusday. I went to the midnight release but I still spent more time on eve than on MW2 this week. If changes like this keep rolling out, I'm not sure how much more I can take before I say **** it. I'd like to think I'd stick around but all this crap is getting a bit tiresome.
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Ridjeck Thome
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:55:00 -
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Can I ask CCP to let us know when the changes are final please?.
This will allow me (hopefully) to self-destruct my mothership and get the basic 40% insurance back (more than the new mini-mom cost I bet).
I'll then be able to cancel my mom account and move the character onto another account and run level 4s in empire!
win all round eh?
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:55:00 -
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I was going to leave this thread alone, but with Stevie's post, napalm just got tossed on it. This thread is going to get completely out of hand now, an entirely predictable outcome.
If you are CCP employee reading this, do not dismiss the thread due to the rage involved. Why?
NozH's post made every MS pilot immediately lose approximately 4-5 billion isk in net worth on the current market. If you believe that the pilots impacted by this will be capable of replying to this thread with graphs, charts, hard numbers or 'rational discussion', well... perhaps you should investigate basic human psychology some.
An average MS costs ~14b in mineral cost on the market, if a pilot is lucky enough to have one build at cost by an alliance rather than paying a premium on the open market. Let's ballpark MS cost and say 15b to account for a mix of 'at cost' and 'premium' buyers.
So their 15b ship is now predicted by the market to be worth 9b (15b cut by 40%) in about two weeks. 6 billion isk vanished with one poorly-thought out CCP NozH post.
Therefore, when you ask yourselves, 'Why are these players so angry, posting with such rage, and uniting with their sworn enemies over this issue', consider that for 6 billion lost isk, you could buy about 20 PLEX cards.
You'd be ****ed, too, if someone just robbed you of 300 bucks.
Ciao, thread!
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 12/11/2009 16:52:50 Oh god. I was called a troll when I previously suggested that CCP had no clue what they were attempting to change with Dominion, and still didn't have things figured out beyond conceptual ideas before fan fest. If you want to make a gimped version of the MS, then release a new capital hull at the costs you posted.
With all of these last minute off the top of your head design changes, how the hell do you expect to release completely new game mechanics in 2 weeks and not expect everything to break horribly? Have you even figured out how to do this yet?
CCP Management: If by this time your team hasn't figured out essentials like the new supercapital mechanics, or painfully analyzed and tested the new sovereignty mechanics, you need to accept your failure to plan properly and delay the implementation date of this patch. Your staff has evidently dropped the ball here, and letting them proceed with significant changes like this half-assed will probably be the second most embarrassing thing your company has done. Stop putting people in charge of making critical decisions on mechanics changes that do not have a clue how our game is played.
Tbh, I thought you were trolling before, but it appears that you couldn't be more right.
P.S. who could blame me for thinking a Goon was trolling.
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Shaak Ti
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:58:00 -
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Fix broken stuff and leave motherships as they are. If you want to create a 5 billion isk supercarrier then design new ships and release them, we never have enough ships in EVE. But stop touching stuff that works and is fun, nobody complained about current motherships.
CCP, you are making people who are building/buying the current motherships VERY disapointed. You are simply wiping out 10b isk(actual motherships = 15b) off the people pokets. Remember that 1b worth ~30Ç with current prices if we talk in PLEXs and some people just bought you ~300Ç in PLEXs to own a mothership.
Please, NO.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: sg3s Hmmmmm, OK, lets try this. How would you guys like it if supercarriers go back to what they are now, except the HP boost that can stay or titans are gonna have a fun time.
So no fighter bombers, high costs, but +3 fighters per lvl etc.
Would that be better?
Nerfs that offset buffs aren't especially bad.
I'd prefer the xMoms in it's present shape over the combined changes (+hp, introduction of fighter bombers, cheaper build, 10 drones etc).
Motherships were supposed to get a 'buff' since they were considered weak in their current state. The new state is gonna make them weaker. Now you go figure where that puts them? I bought mine primarily for logistic purposes, but let's break it down in different regards;
Logistic? It's no buffs, clone vat is gone, 10 drones, everything makes it worse. Combat? Introduction of more damage, that actually deals less damage then regular drones/fighters vs all non-caps. High slots that already are too few are supposed to try squeeze in DCU's? The ship is worse off. Jumpwise? Dockwise? Same as before. Vulnerability to tackle? ALOT worse off, and this was one of the major weaknesses that needed a buff in the first place..
The only thing that is better now is that the HP buff and cheap price means that certain big spaceholding alliances can spam these and have a huge RR ewar immune RR setup camping systems. Blob boost!
So yeah, I'd rather keep them as they are over these changes. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
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Fleur D'oranger
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:59:00 -
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You know, I've been playing MMOs about 10 years now and if I had an isk for every emorage "ima quit with my 20 accounts" post I've ever seen, I could own a fleet of these.
This isn't going to ruin the game. It effects, what? 1% of the player base, if that?
This doesn't ruin the ship. It does make it less of a solo pwnmobile, but then there aren't supposed to be any of those.
As I see it, these changes are right in line with the overall direction of Dominion, which is to reduce the gap between the haves and the have nots which has become so polarized that the end-game is getting stagnant.
If Dominion does what the devs envision, which is to reduce the amount of mega-power-block blob fests and instigate more frequent, smaller scale conflicts between powers who only hold a constellation or two, these are still going to be very powerful in that kind of theater. A half-dozen of them RRing each other while camping a Sov marker is going to be pretty damn tough for a local power to counter.
If you speculated on buying one before the changes were final, you gambled on being the first in your block, and lost. Boo-Hoo. If you don't like the way the class is being repositioned, Leeroy yours against the enemy of your choice, collect your insurance, and get on with life.
CCP has always been a fire..aim..aim..aim..aim..aim. kind of organization. Yeah, there are blunders that have to get fixed, but year after year, the game keeps getting better, and the player base keeps getting bigger. Outside of WoW, no other MMO in existance can make either of those claims.
Take your meds, get some fresh air or God forbid a little exercise, and you'll feel better. The sky is not falling.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:00:00 -
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So we should just all petition now to get our moms/scs docked to reprocess them? Thats the least they can do
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Mashashige
Minmatar Eternal Perseverance Hellstrome Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:01:00 -
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Wait what? How is using a joke CCP Claw used in the freaking alliance tourneys vs thousands, in a sarcastic manner, consider a bad post that needs to be deleted?
Dude, you guys are fascists!!!!!
p.s dont taze me bro? =======================================
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." |
ViRUS Pottage
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:01:00 -
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Very stupid change.
To people complaining that they bought a SC/Training for SC/Bought a new account for SC, then it's your own fault.
Things change, just because it's on the test server, doesn't mean it will get to TQ, so it's your fault for trying to buy 1 early.
But still, very stupid change CCP. ___________
Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
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Sea Gate
Caldari Sea Gate Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Julia Logalus it will be -5 accounts for me. I qill quit this game over this in a blink.
3 accounts for me, 4 on a friend, 2 on my brothers
Not a threat, just eve is heading in a direction that is no longer fun. And a year of training +16b down the drain is not fun.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:04:00 -
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What an utter load of crap. *******s to these ****ing changes, ccp you awfull ****s.
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Jula fo'machid
Atlas Holdings Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:04:00 -
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This is totally out of control Now!
Serious!!
Create a new Ship class instead if you want a middle role super Caps.. you canÆt just change a ship to more than half its value and think everyone will be fine with it!
Then why donÆt you just change all Dreadnoughts to a Battleship while youÆre on it?
You apparently donÆt want to manage EVE anymore it seems, as if you continue like this, many Players will quit this badly handled Game regarding recent changes.
This must END Now!
Jula FoÆmachid
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Pradege D'Hallur
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:05:00 -
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Just when you thought the patch could not get an worse...........
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Shaak Ti
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:05:00 -
[269]
Star Wars Galaxies syndrome in my EVE
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pradege D'Hallur Just when you thought the patch could not get an worse...........
indeed
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