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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
237
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:55:00 -
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wizardd wrote: Tablets are the future of gaming, and desktop PC's are dying species. Even laptops will suffer alot.
Right now tablets can do basically everything. You can do office work with them, you could basically do programming with them, you can use web applications via browser. You can talk with your friends with phone, or skype etc. You can use 3g, WIFI. We are closing at the point where the scifi PDA thingy is real.
Its like I'm on the "Buzzwords: The Conference". You sound like our marketing team when it comes to CLOUD EVERYTHING. Desktops aren't going anywhere and pads are nowhere near as useful as you describing. If i got told I had to program on the bloody thing I would change career. |
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:02:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No.
My 23" touchscreen agrees with you.
If there was less right clicking, sure, EvE would be a great candidate for touchscreens. But IMO the best touchscreen functionality currently in the game is activating mods, and that's about it. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:25:00 -
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You can play Eve on a tablet because I play Eve Online on my smart phone (G2 from T-mobile). The game is actually running on my PC at home, and then I can remote control my PC via my cell phone. I havent done any PvP via the phone, but basically everything else in Eve I have. |
Equus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:33:00 -
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I don't know if it has been said, I am too lazy to read every post, Windows 8 on tablets will be here by the end of the year-ish. So the solution will be install Eve on new Windows 8 tablet, viola, Eve on a tablet.
Doing a specific version for android or ios I cannot see as being profitable and just because there are some pretty games on a device does not mean they have a great GPU, and with 90% of the android tablets on the market be made on the cheap, not to mention the horrid fragmentation in OS, resolution and specs, coding a game like eve for it would be a nightmare, at least in my limited opinion.
Put it on iOS? Are you kidding me? You know that if CCP made an iOS client that Apple would demand 30% of every subscription right? That is the apple way when you get into their ecosystem.
Again, have a little patience and just wait, while I personally don't believe the average windows tablet will be able to handle eve all that well, I am sure if you shell out some extra dollars you can find one that at least half-ass works. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
462
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:52:00 -
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CCP is trying to get rid of as many things that need supporting as possible. Simple client, gone. Widescreen mode, gone. The only reason that the unified inventory is being updated is because it is such a mess. From the sounds of things the next part of the game to take a 'too hard to support' hit will be the right-click menus. I am trying to think of a single 'improvement' to this game in the last couple years that allowed players an option to use it. Incarna and WiS only gave the option of 'door' and the hangar came back only because the player base rioted.
Anyhow, until a tablet can have the power of a PC I wouldn't count on the EVE PC client being able to run on it. I would highly doubt that CCP is going to put any energy in to special client or optional interfaces for non keyboard and mouse users(too much support required). Your best bet will be to use an app like TeamViewer and remote your computer Check out the new Orca model, brought to you by the Unified Inventory System
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
17
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:00:00 -
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wizardd wrote:
Tablets are the future of gaming.
As long as IT professionals know what they're doing, it'll never happen. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Tablets are the future of gaming...... Oh wait, YOU are! Shame on you. |
Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:25:00 -
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So I'm hearing that even if tablets equal or surpass desktops, we still have the controller precision issues to deal with. Makes sense to me. But I do have to point out that even if we al were to agree that tablet will ever remain inferior to desktops, that is no guarantee that they will not become the future of gaming. It's what sells that determines where we go from here. In reception, clarity and reliability, landline phones are still far superior to cell phones. But that is not why people use them and why landlines are disappearing fast.
tl:dr = Just because it doesnt make sense doesnt mean it wont happen. |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:32:00 -
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wizardd wrote:You know that the need of 22" monitor is the problem.
EVE-¦s GUI must get rid of windows that we don-¦t really need.
One large issue is the local chat as intel tool wich much be removed. It-¦s plain stupid and uses massive amount of your screen.
I don-¦t see a reason why we should have everything visible and then from tiny hole between those windows we actually see bit of the space ship we are flying.
More space, more planets, more ship, less GUI-clutter.
CCP need to figure out more innovate, miniatyre GUI.
In large fights we already have to scroll overview list, so that wouldn-¦t be problem with smaller screen. We just need more options for sorting out the overview.
Btw, do you guys realise that you can connect kb or drawing board into tablets? Modern bluetooth keyboards don-¦t need large AA or AAA batteries. Printers are WIFI nowadays, headsets are bluetooth.
Anyhoo, the change is coming, no matter how bitter the bitter vets are. Sounds like you want to play a different game, which should be easy to do. But EvE is a little too complex to start eliminating sources of information from the screen. Sorry, EvE without the information provided by chats, scanners, the overview and even the inventory screens is a completely different game.
And yes, you can connect a keyboard, drawing board, and a few more useful peripherals to a tablet. At which point in order to use it you then have to mount the tablet on some sort of flat surface to operate it. I don't know, maybe the top of a desk or something... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
821
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:35:00 -
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EVE + touch screen is a terrible idea.
I know, I've played some with it.
Have a touch monitor at home, and it is not that easy to play EVE with it. Less precise, and much more energy required. Also, there is a noticeable delay in response between finger touch screen and stuff happening. Not good for anything other than market trading and ship spinning. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
821
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:38:00 -
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Mokokan wrote:So I'm hearing that even if tablets equal or surpass desktops, we still have the controller precision issues to deal with. Makes sense to me. But I do have to point out that even if we al were to agree that tablet will ever remain inferior to desktops, that is no guarantee that they will not become the future of gaming. It's what sells that determines where we go from here. In reception, clarity and reliability, landline phones are still far superior to cell phones. But that is not why people use them and why landlines are disappearing fast.
tl:dr = Just because it doesnt make sense doesnt mean it wont happen. A problem with your comparison. Landlilne phones had stopped being upgraded since the days of the Dinosaurs. Ancient tech for the most part.
Whereas PC parts are being innovated every day.
High end consoles were not the death of PC gaming, neither will lol tablets. |
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Rudgier Thorrin
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:11:00 -
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EDIT because apparently I suck at posting. > Implying I need a signature |
Haulie Berry
207
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:12:00 -
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I kind of wonder if the OP has ever used a tablet... or actually played Eve, for that matter. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
743
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:14:00 -
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Desktop PCs are certainly not dying and until I can have a 26" screen table you can forget it. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
wizardd
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:22:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:EVE + touch screen is a terrible idea.
I know, I've played some with it.
Have a touch monitor at home, and it is not that easy to play EVE with it. Less precise, and much more energy required. Also, there is a noticeable delay in response between finger touch screen and stuff happening. Not good for anything other than market trading and ship spinning. That-¦s why I asked that is CCP working on one.
I did not mean with the current client, but with modified client that is designed for touch screen. |
Mechil Traiee
Legion Du Lys
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:27:00 -
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I play EVE on my sofa using a wacom touch screen since quite a while. My notebook (sometimes also used to play EVE) is the second generation of convertible notebooks. I mostly use this in tablet mode. Whenever people speculate what can be done on a tablet or touch screen, I am mildly amused...
Imagine, you can physically hammer down on a target while screaming "die, die, die"! It is strangely satisfying |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
821
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:29:00 -
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wizardd wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:EVE + touch screen is a terrible idea.
I know, I've played some with it.
Have a touch monitor at home, and it is not that easy to play EVE with it. Less precise, and much more energy required. Also, there is a noticeable delay in response between finger touch screen and stuff happening. Not good for anything other than market trading and ship spinning. That-¦s why I asked that is CCP working on one. I did not mean with the current client, but with modified client that is designed for touch screen. So your asking if CCP would spend millions of dollars and man hours working on something that only about 1% of 1% of the playerbase has been asking for? |
wizardd
The Last Bastion Yulai Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:27:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: So your asking if CCP would spend millions of dollars and man hours working on something that only about 1% of 1% of the playerbase has been asking for?
Huh, chill out... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
821
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:33:00 -
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wizardd wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: So your asking if CCP would spend millions of dollars and man hours working on something that only about 1% of 1% of the playerbase has been asking for?
Huh, chill out... Plenty chill here, AC works great.
I was just trying to put things in perspective with mild hyperbole. |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:38:00 -
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ITT: Sweeping, radical predictions based on little evidence and even less common sense.
Next! |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:40:00 -
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While I think it would be cool to do things in EVE with my iPad, I really have to disagree that touch screen is better then a mouse.
I don't have fat fingers, or even abnormally large hands, but gaming on a tablet sucks. I can stare at my hands all day, I don't want to do it while playing a game. Gaming wasn't even a consideration when I got my iPad.
Can't even paint on the damn thing cause it won't let me use a stylus. I have to use my finger and then I can't really see a damn thing I'm doing, or even accurately do what I'm trying to do. Even paid for a very good painting app, but it still sucks cause I have to use my finger. I actually had hopes that I could turn it into a fancy art tablet to replace the one I own already, but nope.
The whole touchscreen thing is nice, but way overated; especially for gaming. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1355
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:26:00 -
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When Eve is a dual stick shooter,we'll talk. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:43:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:While I think it would be cool to do things in EVE with my iPad, I really have to disagree that touch screen is better then a mouse.
I don't have fat fingers, or even abnormally large hands, but gaming on a tablet sucks. I can stare at my hands all day, I don't want to do it while playing a game. Gaming wasn't even a consideration when I got my iPad. .
Well, i do have large hands, but i don't agree gaming on tablet sucks. Action orientated games are just fine on Tablets. I can see EVE pvp working on a tablet as PVP in eve has nothing to do with precision mouse-clicks compared to F.i. WOT (except for GTFO and looting).
Also looking at markets, changing skills and other basic stuff could work just as well on a tablet as with a mouse.
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Lord X3n0s Aeon
EVE Syndicate Navy Surely You're Joking
3
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:19:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Gonada wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:wizardd wrote:touch screen is better than using mouse. My working man's hands+my iPhone says No. I play eve sometimes at work remote desktoping my comp at home. Tablet, not iPhone, you see the differance? You can do everything on a tablet that you can do on a computer specially if its not an apple product. E-prime transformer 32gig tablet with 32 gig SD card works well I can barely write text messages on this damn thing (my boss is probably laughing at me and my co-workers) and you expect me to be able to pick out targets from the overview with my finger? Or click them in space? Ridiculous! Touch screens, no mater the product size, aren't precise enough.
Isn't the world record for fastest text ever on an iPhone? The keyboard is plenty precise enough. Perhaps it's *you* who's not precise. Which is fine, it wouldn't work for *you*, but that's not the technology's fault. Keyboard-based clients won't simply go away for a looong time. Heck, you can even pair a full-sized keyboard with a tablet if you really wanted. (defeats the portability purpose though).
Really though, I think eve could be easily optimized for a tablet interface. For all you people saying it's "not precise" enough.... yeah.... i'd like some of what you're smoking please. That argument holds water for an FPS, not a click-and-the-ship-flies pew-pew game. Modules? already "buttons", inventory? square tiles. Overview? yeah that could be a scrolling grid, it would need to be reworked. Chat? voice.
"But it's too small!" Is that what your girl tells you? Seriously though, modern tablets (3rd gen iPad for example) have a res higher than many desktops. With some user-interface modification I'd say we're maybe 2-3 years from tablets being able to run Eve at what most would consider medium settings now. All in all, not bad. |
Lord X3n0s Aeon
EVE Syndicate Navy Surely You're Joking
3
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:29:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:wizardd wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:EVE + touch screen is a terrible idea.
I know, I've played some with it.
Have a touch monitor at home, and it is not that easy to play EVE with it. Less precise, and much more energy required. Also, there is a noticeable delay in response between finger touch screen and stuff happening. Not good for anything other than market trading and ship spinning. That-¦s why I asked that is CCP working on one. I did not mean with the current client, but with modified client that is designed for touch screen. So your asking if CCP would spend millions of dollars and man hours working on something that only about 1% of 1% of the playerbase has been asking for?
Yes. Why? Because it's awesome. It'd also let me log in to eve from school/get my space blaster fix in Diff Eq when my professor forgets he's speaking german again. |
ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
722
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:14:00 -
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I can't wait until this guy tries to load his CQ on a tablet and it catches fire in his hands. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
wizardd
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:19:00 -
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Inaccuracy of the touch screen is not really a problem.
It-¦s just GUI design question. PC and console game GUI-¦s are different. Console GUI-¦s are much more simplified.
Actually the accuracy of the mouse is like a trap for GUI designers. EVE for example has tons of tiny little windows and thingys. Instead of having everything available in one screen you can have one screen that can show everything. Bit like unified invetory is doing.
Overview row width can be increased, of course then you see less, but there isn-¦t big enough screen where you wouldn-¦t need to scroll in fleet fight. Also, it lifts the targets that FC selects at the top anyway.
Graphic quality doesn-¦t have to be as good as it-¦s with PC-¦s. Same game, different GUI and engine. It-¦s not impossible. |
Lord Zim
800
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:22:00 -
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The unified UI is like using the windows file manager, you can do it, but it's much more effective if you can have two of them.
Much like console UIs. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
85
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Posted - 2012.06.17 18:21:00 -
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1) remote desktop apps allow to play EVE "on a tablet";
2) there are Win7 tablets (barely) capable to run present client and there will be much more Win8 tablets soon - I hope to see Win8 client sooner or later (working with my bluetooth mouse and keyboard - touchscreen isn't enough for sure). |
wizardd
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:51:00 -
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Microsoft introduced new tablet with W8 last night. Interesting tablet, with screencover that acts as very flat keyboard.
Tablet sales are growing over 200% this year, and at the same time desktop sales are slowing down. I predict that in less than five years desktop sales are starting to decrease.
If microsoft doesn-¦t fail, there will be very heavy competetion in tablet market and that will give massive boost on developing new and more powerfull tablets. |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
120
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:55:00 -
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http://tinyurl.com/crxmx4d Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person |
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