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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:11:00 -
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What is the mean fee for hauling stuff per m3?
Thank you.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:30:00 -
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hauling fee's are generally done per jump, and I think it's something like 250k / jump.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota hauling fee's are generally done per jump, and I think it's something like 250k / jump.
Depends on how much you're hauling. Signore may be assuming freighters here. I think Red Frog charges 350k / jump.
But are you just asking hauling of large amounts? Or general contracting?
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Dzil
Caldari United Kings Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:37:00 -
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There's 3 factors - time, risk, and collateral/ship requirement.
I could for example request a skillbook for empire control delivered to some 0.0 station in the middle of a warzone. m3 wise it's 0.01m3. Timewise it's a long trip from empire, collateral wise you'll have to lay down hundreds of millions, and risk wise you'll probably lose your ship/collateral along the way, possibly winning a free ride on the pod express.
It's therefore really better to classify whether you're talking about cargo that could be hauled in an interceptor, a transport, or a freighter, than discuss by m3. Then you figure your time/risk/collateral with that shiptype in mind.
The golden rule I use is "Could I make more money afk mining veldspar?"
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:46:00 -
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There's pretty standard pricing for hi-sec based on m3 and distance (f'd if i know them though, try searching MD and industry forums).
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:46:00 -
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What about jump freightering stuff to NPC 0.0? Do people do that on contract?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:48:00 -
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Assume freighter.
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RothimusPrime
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:59:00 -
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High sec hauling I generally pay 100isk per m3. So if it's 100m3 I pay 10,000isk. I've rarely had a contract not completed. I'll also take into account how far, if it's a few jumps, I'll pay less.
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Dracnys
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:03:00 -
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It also depends on the route. Jita -> Amarr for example is a popular route with more than one courier contract. If the hauler can take multiple contracts I generally pay a lot less. Once I got 20.000 m3 hauled from Jita to Amarr (9 jumps) for a lousy 300.000 Isk, which is only 1,67 Isk/M3/Jump.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:26:00 -
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Red Frog Freight's rates are: 500k + (350k x jumps) + (350k x extra stations [other than the pickup and dropoff stations])
Trips up to 1 billion collateral. All contiguous hisec space. No losec or nosec.
RF refers clients to Raging Taurus for JF service to 0.0 and losec.
Calculating rates can be annoying using many of the mentioned methods. The simplest is to just charge by jumps. Almost every delivery service I've ever looked into has eventually switched over to per jump prices. |
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2009.11.11 20:43:00 -
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I'd guess that other than major routes between hubs there aren't enough contracts for there to be a point in charging by volume. Volume isn't the limiting factor.
RF's prices are too high for most cargo. If you don't need a gaurantee that it will arrive and be shipped within a reasonable period of time, I would gamble on public courier contracts at 200K/jump or less (depending on how long you want to wait) with collateral equal to the cost plus the margin you were planning to make.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dracnys It also depends on the route. Jita -> Amarr for example is a popular route with more than one courier contract. If the hauler can take multiple contracts I generally pay a lot less. Once I got 20.000 m3 hauled from Jita to Amarr (9 jumps) for a lousy 300.000 Isk, which is only 1,67 Isk/M3/Jump.
You might be able to pay significantly less than that between hubs, e.g., 120 000 m¦ hauled twice as far for roughly 0.15 ISK/m¡¦/jump, even with collaterals like 600 MISK. My such loads are normally picked and delivered within 24 h. á á
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Ivy Brookdale
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ivy Brookdale on 12/11/2009 13:07:07 I personally don't really care a lot about jumps or volume between hubs and <20km¦. The decision to haul using a indy in less time (jumps) or ship multiple contracts in a freighter (volume) is not mine to make. Therefor I just take the amount of collateral into account and usually pay 1-2% of collateral as reward. Thats a direct cut into my profits, but I'm happy to pay it to minimize the involved risk and time.
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Buddy Revelle
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:09:00 -
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No matter the collateral, or size of package (up to 120K M3) i only pay 1M reward. They allways get done within 24 hours on open market without any spamming. so far its never failed. why people play these silly high fee's is beyond me, Red Frog is ripping ppl off left and right but eh, Isk is free why not :)
1M Reward. Tops. No matter from where to where. Allways gets done. Why pay more?
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Locin WeEda
Gallente Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.15 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Locin WeEda on 15/11/2009 11:13:46
Originally by: Buddy Revelle No matter the collateral, or size of package (up to 120K M3) i only pay 1M reward. They allways get done within 24 hours on open market without any spamming. so far its never failed. why people play these silly high fee's is beyond me, Red Frog is ripping ppl off left and right but eh, Isk is free why not :)
1M Reward. Tops. No matter from where to where. Allways gets done. Why pay more?
Hmm, most of the time we would have done it cheaper, as you can have up to 860K m3 shipped with us pr trip at our price.
Lets say you need 7 x 120,000 m3 moved from Jita to Amarr.
You will pay out rewards of 7 million for that trip. Red Frog Investments will take 500k + 350k x 7 = 2.95M for that rip? Are we still a rip off? Most people that think our fees are expensive, think we charge pr contract. We don't charge for volume, just pr trip.
But yeah, your reward structure will start to cost less than RF's fee structure once the number of jumps get above 18 jumps (provided you utilize our cargospace of 860,000 m3 pr trip)
Locin WeEda Red Frog Investments Red Frog Freight Service
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.11.15 18:35:00 -
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I usually pay .1% (.001) of the collateral or 20-30k per jump. Whichever seems the most "fair" to me based on the total m3.
I'm actually wondering how cheap I could go on these. Because it seems like everything gets hauled within a day no matter what.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2009.11.15 18:45:00 -
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The changes to the contract size limits in Dominion could have an affect on the rates. There will be more people putting up full freighter load contracts when all you have to input is the info for 1 contract rather than 7.
I myself wound up with 2 freighters simply because filling out 7 contracts at a pop over and over made me wanna die.
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Don Caetano
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:09:00 -
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I have put this same question couple weeks ago (nullhere) and some smart people came with insightful answers. Since then I found that hauling on regular lines (i.e. Jita to racial trade hubs) in Indy sized packages can be had pretty cheap. 250 to 500K if I am not in hurry, 750K and I am sure the contract will be delivered overnight.
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Dennmoth Ferdier
Space Perverts
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 15/11/2009 23:33:11
Originally by: Tagami Wasp What is the mean fee for hauling stuff per m3?
Thank you.
I rarely use courier contracts, but there isn't a distance in highsec that my cargo of even freighter size hasn't been moved for 5 million reward.
It's a good round number, and while most ppl would steer clear of freighter size batch of tritanium 25 jumps for 5 million reward, there are always them kind of folks who have heard you can make good money with a freighter without actually knowing how to make it. These people run these within 48 hours. ------ Dare to challenge me? |
Ebanni
Ebanni Mercantile
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Posted - 2009.11.16 12:12:00 -
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I usually offer a fee based on 2% of Collateral value. If it's a hauler who's shown consistent reliability, then my contracts will go private and I'll pay more than 2% to those few that have proven themselves. Hell, a few have even woken up to find bonuses in their Wallets because they go above and beyond.
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Yu Haul
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Buddy Revelle Red Frog is ripping ppl off left and right
red frog is the best because i can trust them even without collateral in most cases, this is not about the price because there no difference if you pay 250k per highsec jump or 350k per highsec jump when you need to deliver 5 freighters of fuel within a day or two
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.11.16 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Buddy Revelle why people play these silly high fee's is beyond me, Red Frog is ripping ppl off left and right... Why pay more?
The same reason you pay more for anything; we're the best. We offer: quality service, reliability, convenience, 24-7 delivery, discretion, and even special contract arrangements like identity concealment (you deal only with the Boss, not even the pilots know your name), massive multi-trip jobs (we've moved billions of units of minerals in just hours), freighter pickup/delivery, and other special requests.
Red Frog Freight has been running for 2 years, and we've handled thousands and thousands of contracts. There's a reason some of the largest trading and industrial corps pay for our services--we're good at what we do. |
cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.18 01:27:00 -
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Used Red Frog today for the first time (via an ALT), and they moved 1.84B units of minerals for me for 37M ISK in 2.5hrs.
22 full Freighter loads.
Awesome service.
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Locin WeEda
Gallente Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.18 06:08:00 -
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Glad you liked it, cosmoray Red Frog Freight Service
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.18 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Used Red Frog today for the first time (via an ALT), and they moved 1.84B units of minerals for me for 37M ISK in 2.5hrs.
22 full Freighter loads.
Awesome service.
Was this a special VIP service or just under normal contracts? I've used RF quite a lot and perhaps 10-20% of contracts have been filled in this kind of time frame (all from major hubs to major hubs, none of them more than 1/8 of a freighter load). When I enquired about more definite times I was told the best that could be done was a 24-48 hour guarantee, if memory serves, although, in fact, 85% or so have been done within 16 hours (I tend to take them down and do it myself if I've waited that long).
Not knocking RF, I'd just like to know what I would need to do to get the same type of service.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.18 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: cosmoray Used Red Frog today for the first time (via an ALT), and they moved 1.84B units of minerals for me for 37M ISK in 2.5hrs.
22 full Freighter loads.
Awesome service.
Was this a special VIP service or just under normal contracts? I've used RF quite a lot and perhaps 10-20% of contracts have been filled in this kind of time frame (all from major hubs to major hubs, none of them more than 1/8 of a freighter load). When I enquired about more definite times I was told the best that could be done was a 24-48 hour guarantee, if memory serves, although, in fact, 85% or so have been done within 16 hours (I tend to take them down and do it myself if I've waited that long).
Not knocking RF, I'd just like to know what I would need to do to get the same type of service.
I went into the RF channel and discussed with those guys because I had a lot of minerals. Worked out the best logistical solution and the guys moved it. Also I used an ALT and none of the guys new Cosmoray.
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Ere Colliseru
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Posted - 2009.11.18 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Not knocking RF, I'd just like to know what I would need to do to get the same type of service.
500k per jump instead of 350k?
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Dzil
Caldari Waffle Investment Fund
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Posted - 2009.11.18 15:54:00 -
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You know in hindsight, I paid 1.6 mil for a single frieghter intra-Jita jump.
But, the minerals arrived 10 minutes later.
I suppose that's the fourth factor: how fast do you want your contract completed? A generous reward tends to get picked up quickly.
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Locin WeEda
Gallente Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ere Colliseru
Originally by: RAW23
Not knocking RF, I'd just like to know what I would need to do to get the same type of service.
500k per jump instead of 350k?
A couple of things is necessary for such a speedy delivery of such a large contract: - I must be online to negotiate the deal (ordinary pilots do not have the ISK to cover collaterals for 22 trips of minerals in one go) - I must not already be in process with a similar deal - I must have a couple of freighter pilots online (we had 4 pilots on this task), and they must be close to pickup system - Short trips help a lot in making the delivery go fast
Red Frog Freight Service
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:02:00 -
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Our regular courier contracts have a 3 day expiration and 1 day completion. However, we complete approximately 80% to 90% of our contracts in under 24 hours. We stick to the script when asked, because we don't want anyone to be disappointed if RL intervenes and no one is immediately available to make the run.
I would like to apologize to the OP. I'm sorry that somehow Red Frog has hijacked your thread. If anyone else would like to continue discussing Red Frog's rates, policies, or related issues, please start a new thread or join us in our channel: RF Freight. |
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