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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
1483
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:59:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:I really liked the idea of POCOs being the conflict drivers, but unfortunately they are a bit too distributed. Their hitpoints are too high to have a small gang come through and mess with them, and nobody likes repping that much armor/shields either. They are poor substitute to having moons to fight over.
I like the idea of resources moving about to a certain degree, but it cannot be via moons (which take forever to scan), or pocos (which are designed with being 'static' in mind!), or truesec, cause who cares now. I thought maybe ring mining might be some sort of solution for that, but that will just get the industrialists happy.
Allowing stations to be destroyed though? That might drive some conflict. Who needs more of a reason to attack someone else more than 'We will burn down your entire territory.'
I think POCOs require a certain minimum traffic to be interesting. If we let them be taken over in High Sec (which I desperately want to do), they'd become a lot more interesting.
Edit: Yes, stations should be destroyable. |
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:59:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: Yes. Unlimited pockets = bad. More importantly, are you THINKING about removing all moon goo income with Ring mining or just reducing it? I think the economy of moon goo will become bad quickly when you consider the cost of running a moon vs profits and it will probably die off in the face of ring mining. just throwing that out there. I'd be totally cool with removing almost all moon goo to ring mining. But I guess that's a tough answer from an economic stand point.
Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax. That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere.
If you do this, please consider making the nearby POCO get a 'percentage' of the materials. This way, alliances can still support themselves. And maybe consider allowing POCOs to go up in high sec as well? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
676
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:59:00 -
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I think what would be interesting is a tiered tax system.
Whatever/however it works.
We have 2 groups.
Alliance A and Alliance B.
Alliance A controls a small constellation of systems and gathers about 1,000 players in the constellation able to maintain activities (dreaming here).
Alliance B sees this and decides that they want some of the action. So they move in and "attack" the system. They win the battles over the structures but they don't take over the stations/outpots/i-hubs. When they "win" the fight, they opt to instead of taking over the outpost to add their own taxation to the systems activities.
So Alliance A is now being taxed by Alliance B to own the system and live there. They can stay or leave, but the station is taxed by them, and by alliance A on their players.
So, now there's a tough call. Is it worth moving away from the conquered stations to avoid the taxation? (Was taxation unreasonable?) or do they stay and not hassle with moving away.
Also, how do you get that taxation removed is another question.
There is still the issue of "planting the flag", and this is a lot like "renters", but the idea is to allow conquest without domination. Anyways, just an interesting thought bubble that I really liked from the perspective of dynamic sov control. Eventually a group can take over large sections to tax them, and "own" them. Eventually you get rebellious activity of course, and you can make more enemies than you like, but you do get a source of income from large swathes of population, promote population retention in null sec systems without forcing total evac scenarios, and can say "I OWN YOU ****". :) Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Vokanic
Nemitronix Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:00:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: Yes. Unlimited pockets = bad. More importantly, are you THINKING about removing all moon goo income with Ring mining or just reducing it? I think the economy of moon goo will become bad quickly when you consider the cost of running a moon vs profits and it will probably die off in the face of ring mining. just throwing that out there. I'd be totally cool with removing almost all moon goo to ring mining. But I guess that's a tough answer from an economic stand point.
Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax. That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere.
You'd better make this ring mining the single most exciting thing to do in EvE, else it will kill off nullsec. As it stands, moon mining pays for space that alliances hold. It frees the members to log in and do what they want. Shackles etc. Granted tech lets stuff like burn jita and hulkageddon happen at zero cost to the aggressors, but that's not the point.
If you change that to: 'Mine X hours per member to keep your space'.. well it won't end well. (either they stop logging in, or sreegs gets to go on an all new bot banning rampage) |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
676
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:05:00 -
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Vokanic wrote:
You'd better make this ring mining the single most exciting thing to do in EvE, else it will kill off nullsec. As it stands, moon mining pays for space that alliances hold. It frees the members to log in and do what they want. Shackles etc. Granted tech lets stuff like burn jita and hulkageddon happen at zero cost to the aggressors, but that's not the point.
If you change that to: 'Mine X hours per member to keep your space'.. well it won't end well. (either they stop logging in, or sreegs gets to go on an all new bot banning rampage)
I do have to agree with this. Turning PVPers into Miners isn't going to turn too well.
But, you see, what you're missing is that there are WHOLE ARMIES OF MINERS IN HISEC. You just need to convince them that you are more profitable than that can ever be. Then, you take their taxes, and you build your army and fund it.
This goes back to the idea I have of population retention. Instead of kicking all the miners out when you take a null sec over, you can keep population retention in a null sec location, (miners in your case), use them as taxation, and then it becomes a matter of who controls the most miners mining the most stuff, gets the most taxes can build the biggest army that can own EVE
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:05:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:So Alliance A is now being taxed by Alliance B to own the system and live there. They can stay or leave, but the station is taxed by them, and by alliance A on their players.
This is a full sov revamp you're asking for, basically. A declared fealty system, or allied system, or some sort of way to have public/private treaties.
Personally, I'd favor a move away from the current corporation/alliance system, and have individual pilots declare their support for individual groups.
In real life, you don't walk around with the badge of your corporation on your shoulder. You walk around as yourself, and support different lists of organizations and goals. What if we made standings based on who you support/supports you, etc. And everyone are individuals that can support multiple organizations. It might be VERY chaotic at first, but I think it might be pretty interesting in the long run to see how the system stabilizes.
In the end, the current corp/alliance system is broken to a degree. You need to be in the same corp to access resources, same alliance to have default standings for things like repairing and getting inside shield bubbles, and most major fights involve multiple coalitions, not just a few corps. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
398
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:09:00 -
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Quote:: is territorial conquest based on a certain resource, or are there other factors in play?
the main factor for taking space should be the planets and thier strategic reasource being crew members on planets... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
tech III industrial ships! |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
676
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:09:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kismeteer wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:So Alliance A is now being taxed by Alliance B to own the system and live there. They can stay or leave, but the station is taxed by them, and by alliance A on their players. This is a full sov revamp you're asking for, basically. A declared fealty system, or allied system, or some sort of way to have public/private treaties. Personally, I'd favor a move away from the current corporation/alliance system, and have individual pilots declare their support for individual groups. In real life, you don't walk around with the badge of your corporation on your shoulder. You walk around as yourself, and support different lists of organizations and goals. What if we made standings based on who you support/supports you, etc. And everyone are individuals that can support multiple organizations. It might be VERY chaotic at first, but I think it might be pretty interesting in the long run to see how the system stabilizes. In the end, the current corp/alliance system is broken to a degree. You need to be in the same corp to access resources, same alliance to have default standings for things like repairing and getting inside shield bubbles, and most major fights involve multiple coalitions, not just a few corps.
I think this is a cool idea, and I would think it'd be fun, but that's not just a null sec remap, that's an EVE Remap! lol.
I think the idea I listed is actually not too dissimilar from what you're saying. It might seem like it's centralizing on the organizational parts, but as I've come up with the idea of player retention as part of the conquest dynamic, the issue really DOES become "well, I'm in a corp that is not liked by xyz, so they're going to want to kick me out." It would be a lot simpler if miners could be unaffiliated, or even affiliated with the station or something that makes it a lot less "awkward" to retain players in a system. This idea is just a whole level above what is currently even on the radar for game mechanics, so I don't know what to say other than, player retention in null sec is going to rely on "detaching" standings and corporations from people that want to stay and live there on some level. Either on the social gameplay level, or on the game mechanics level. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:11:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: Yes. Unlimited pockets = bad. More importantly, are you THINKING about removing all moon goo income with Ring mining or just reducing it? I think the economy of moon goo will become bad quickly when you consider the cost of running a moon vs profits and it will probably die off in the face of ring mining. just throwing that out there. I'd be totally cool with removing almost all moon goo to ring mining. But I guess that's a tough answer from an economic stand point.
Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax. That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere.
yes.. wipe moon mining from existence when ring mining is implemented. more ISK into individual pockets, less into alliance. deep pocketed alliances are part of the reason of stagnation.
also there is less incentive for market manipulation at an alliance level without moon goo. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1194
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:15:00 -
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Vokanic wrote:You'd better make this ring mining the single most exciting thing to do in EvE, else it will kill off nullsec. As it stands, moon mining pays for space that alliances hold. Funny that alliances without tech are able to hold space. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
676
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:15:00 -
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At Ring Mining ::
I think an interesting idea would be instead of requiring to "dock" and deposit ring mining goodies, that you can drop them off at a station attachment that would be designed like a POCO hangar (bear with me).
The Moon Mining Deposit Bay would let you drop your ores into the station and it would be taxed and then taken to the appropriate hangar (corp/personal). This would avoid the need for constant docking and undocking when full up on materials and would let miners get taxed as they go, providing a service and a convenience and a method of taxation.
Just exploring here on forward thinking mechanics.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4055
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:16:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
While this is true, nothing creates the sort of social dynamics that break up powerblocs and encourage bad feelings like how to divide up valuble resources - just think PL's "for funsies" fights over prom/dyspro with the old NC that basically fomented a permanent split. There was also severe tensions in the NC over tech distribution - you can point to Goonswarm's hatred of Stella Polaris that started over a dispute over a tech moon. You can't rely on people just hating people for no reason, you've got to ferment the hatred.
The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another.
I basically addressed this earlier: the reason why tech is no longer a successful conflict driver is it's expensive to take, and the moons are going to be nerfed in the near future. Tech isn't a good conflict driver as well because it's too strongly regional. Tech should be nerfed, making a different moon (an r64) the valuable moon, then look at replacing it as a conflict driver. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
While this is true, nothing creates the sort of social dynamics that break up powerblocs and encourage bad feelings like how to divide up valuble resources - just think PL's "for funsies" fights over prom/dyspro with the old NC that basically fomented a permanent split. There was also severe tensions in the NC over tech distribution - you can point to Goonswarm's hatred of Stella Polaris that started over a dispute over a tech moon. You can't rely on people just hating people for no reason, you've got to ferment the hatred. The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another.
OTEC only works because a tech nerf is coming "soon". If they were to announce tech won't change for 2 years. You would see us invade a region by the weekend. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:20:00 -
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Just cause I am thinking about it and dpending on how far you want to go.
First POS's serve a purpose but they were based on a time when there was no cycno Jammers and Jump Bridges. For items like that and SOV mechanics they serve there purpose.
But for moon mining they are overkill.
You need to make a platform for moon mining and moon material production. The shields on it need to be small if any. IT needs to be more akin to a ship. It can have POS weapons but give the platform slots for them so they can be limited and tweaked if need be. They also need to be destroyed as target points.
Then you can add all the other items for moon mining in slots as well also destoryable or with enough damage that it will take them off line.
All the above should be able to be taken out with a small group and some time.
The platform itself should require Capitals or a large group and TONS of time.
The object is to find a sweet spot where something can be taken offline with a wondering gang. And even stolen from (REWARD) if offline
But can't be destroyed without some serious effert.
Repair - 2 ways One you provide some raw materials and it will repair itself over time and come back online providing knowone is shooting it. THe repair materials can be stored in the stucker itself. Second - direct repping.
This will provide some method for those that don't want to mind it but you can't just ignore it like we do now with POS's.
Something like that, small scale raiding and disruption of industry is the goal without having to pull out the capitals.
I know this is alot but I think it would be easier then reworking POS's and then try and balance them.
Better to phase them out entirely (if nned be) over time then try to replace them in one go. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Fix Lag
285
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:20:00 -
[106] - Quote
Stations should be destroyable. Stations should have much better upgrades. There should be more than 1 station allowed per system. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1194
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:21:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Malcanis wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
While this is true, nothing creates the sort of social dynamics that break up powerblocs and encourage bad feelings like how to divide up valuble resources - just think PL's "for funsies" fights over prom/dyspro with the old NC that basically fomented a permanent split. There was also severe tensions in the NC over tech distribution - you can point to Goonswarm's hatred of Stella Polaris that started over a dispute over a tech moon. You can't rely on people just hating people for no reason, you've got to ferment the hatred. The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another. OTEC only works because a tech nerf is coming "soon". If they were to announce tech won't change for 2 years. You would see us invade a region by the weekend. As proven by activity in 2011 and 2009...
oh wait. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
721
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:22:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).
If you are thinking about opening up alchemy, you might want to actually look at the periodic table and use it to find reactions that are physically possible. For example Hafnium is element #72, Technetium is element#73. If you took Hafnium and fused it with Hydrogen (actually to get the Neutron count right, Deuterium, but that is a Hydrogen isotope) you would get Technetium.
Tungsten + 2 Helium = Platinum
Platinum + Helium = Mercury
Cadmium + 2 Carbon = Neodymium
And so on. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:24:00 -
[109] - Quote
I would sincerely hope game balance of minerals that were basically assigned random names isn't based on those names. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:24:00 -
[110] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aryth wrote:Malcanis wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
While this is true, nothing creates the sort of social dynamics that break up powerblocs and encourage bad feelings like how to divide up valuble resources - just think PL's "for funsies" fights over prom/dyspro with the old NC that basically fomented a permanent split. There was also severe tensions in the NC over tech distribution - you can point to Goonswarm's hatred of Stella Polaris that started over a dispute over a tech moon. You can't rely on people just hating people for no reason, you've got to ferment the hatred. The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another. OTEC only works because a tech nerf is coming "soon". If they were to announce tech won't change for 2 years. You would see us invade a region by the weekend. As proven by activity in 2011 and 2009... oh wait.
Funny, I wasn't aware OTEC existed in 2009 or 2011. |
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Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
266
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:26:00 -
[111] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Yes, stations should be destroyable.
YESSSSSSSSS!
Protect thy assets, lest they fall into the fiery chasm of nothingness!
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.
In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s). If you are thinking about opening up alchemy, you might want to actually look at the periodic table and use it to find reactions that are physically possible. For example Hafnium is element #72, Technetium is element#73. If you took Hafnium and fused it with Hydrogen (actually to get the Neutron count right, Deuterium, but that is a Hydrogen isotope) you would get Technetium. Tungsten + 2 Helium = Platinum Platinum + Helium = Mercury Cadmium + 2 Carbon = Neodymium And so on.
More science in our science fiction game? I like. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:27:00 -
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Again, nobody is saying that tech is a good conflict driver: it's not, because it's too strongly regional. It needs to be a mineral thats more weakly regional. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
398
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:29:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: Yes. Unlimited pockets = bad. More importantly, are you THINKING about removing all moon goo income with Ring mining or just reducing it? I think the economy of moon goo will become bad quickly when you consider the cost of running a moon vs profits and it will probably die off in the face of ring mining. just throwing that out there. I'd be totally cool with removing almost all moon goo to ring mining. But I guess that's a tough answer from an economic stand point.
Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax. That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere.
correct me if i am wrong but if you are doing the pos thing first is that not a waiste of time making new moon mining mods that will fit in the new pos?
like you spend a month working on the moon mining aspects of the modular pos just to delete them from the game a few months later?
I think both new pos and new mining mechanics are important enough to borrow devs from other teams to work on it... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
tech III industrial ships! |
StuRyan
Assisted Homicide Paradigm Shift Alliance
45
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:29:00 -
[114] - Quote
Give the game a new dimension that allows people to determine their path and differentiate themselves.
e.g. technetium mining requires a skill and of said skill allows so many moon reactors to be deployed, perhaps even make it so you can only train for 1 type of material.
I dunno... but this technetium Bull crap is making the game very stagnant with every carebear and its dog sat VFK... No wonder they are like dogs around scraps when intel channels blink with "1 in 2-r NV". We kill well or die laughing * UK PVP CORP RECRUITING * Please join AHREC |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1289
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:30:00 -
[115] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vokanic wrote:You'd better make this ring mining the single most exciting thing to do in EvE, else it will kill off nullsec. As it stands, moon mining pays for space that alliances hold. Funny that alliances without tech are able to hold space.
If CFC wants you to leave that space all they have to do is continuously harass you and there's absolutely nothing you can do to keep your sov because at some point you will miss isk. At the end of the day they had great fun and are still doing gazillions of isk to cover all ship losses, pay Concord bills, and ready to go on and on continuously.
Tech moons provide far too much isk this is a fact. How to change it and make people fight over something else, welp, I guess we'll need Tech moons version 1.2 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
398
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:30:00 -
[116] - Quote
Fix Lag wrote:Stations should be destroyable. Stations should have much better upgrades. There should be more than 1 station allowed per system.
how about making titans intergrate with destructable stations?
make them into some sorty of uber outpost?
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
tech III industrial ships! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4055
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:31:00 -
[117] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Malcanis wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered and I'm not sure EVE is a game that would benefit from dynamic resources. I'd much rather invest in a system where we encourage conflict through social dynamics. Where you go to war because you dislike someone and want to e-stab them with your ship.
While this is true, nothing creates the sort of social dynamics that break up powerblocs and encourage bad feelings like how to divide up valuble resources - just think PL's "for funsies" fights over prom/dyspro with the old NC that basically fomented a permanent split. There was also severe tensions in the NC over tech distribution - you can point to Goonswarm's hatred of Stella Polaris that started over a dispute over a tech moon. You can't rely on people just hating people for no reason, you've got to ferment the hatred. The trouble is you can't have mittens trumpeting the power of OTEC in one breath and claiming that tech moons are conflict drivers in another. OTEC only works because a tech nerf is coming "soon". If they were to announce tech won't change for 2 years. You would see us invade a region by the weekend.
In which case, what then? CFC have all the tech and we're supposed to wait for you guys to start squabbling about it?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:33:00 -
[118] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: In which case, what then? CFC have all the tech and we're supposed to wait for you guys to start squabbling about it?
Tech would be a better conflict driver in that case, but still inferior to using an r64 instead. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
1497
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:33:00 -
[119] - Quote
Vokanic wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: Yes. Unlimited pockets = bad. More importantly, are you THINKING about removing all moon goo income with Ring mining or just reducing it? I think the economy of moon goo will become bad quickly when you consider the cost of running a moon vs profits and it will probably die off in the face of ring mining. just throwing that out there. I'd be totally cool with removing almost all moon goo to ring mining. But I guess that's a tough answer from an economic stand point.
Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax. That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere. You'd better make this ring mining the single most exciting thing to do in EvE, else it will kill off nullsec. As it stands, moon mining pays for space that alliances hold. It frees the members to log in and do what they want. Shackles etc. Granted tech lets stuff like burn jita and hulkageddon happen at zero cost to the aggressors, but that's not the point. If you change that to: 'Mine X hours per member to keep your space'.. well it won't end well. (either they stop logging in, or sreegs gets to go on an all new bot banning rampage)
Might also force people to only hold as much space as they actually need :) |
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TweedIe Dum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Bring on ring mining faster and nerf the crap out of the moons as they are purely passive income.
No corp/alliance should be able to sit their and watch hundreds of billions fall in their wallet every month.
Their has been a lot of complaints over the years about mining being afk and profitable this is worse as their is very little input required compared to even afk mining |
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