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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:14:00 -
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Tonanin wrote: The only Drone Boats I know of in the game are Gallente ships:
You dont need any more then that for 100% Troll detection. |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:38:00 -
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Tonanin wrote:[Dominix Navy Issue, New Setup 1] ... nothing important anyway ...
Ogre II x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Berserker SW-900 x2 Praetor EV-900 x2 Wasp EC-900 x1 Hobgoblin II x5
I cannot resist: *shouts out loud* "SENTRIES"
You tell about a long range duel with a Megatron and show us a short range gun, not a single drone augmentation and no propulsion fitted Dominix? You heavies would not even try to engage that Megatron at 100 km. Out of command range ...
For that hypothetical duel with your corpmate you need 3 drone link augmentors (high - drone command range), omnitracking links (med - drone optimal and tracking), sensor booster (or you wont be able to lock that mega) and the new drone damage modules in low. and then put in a flight of Minmatar sentries (explo damage) and challenge that Mega again for a 100km duel... |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
402
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:17:00 -
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Both the Mega and the domi can push 1000dps at 60-70km with rails and sentries. Shield domi can now push vindicator like dps sub 30km with the new drone mods. And the snipetar is now the highest dips sniper hac, actually competing with tier 3 bc's. Still limited by stationary sentries though.
Pretty good time to fly drone boats IMO. Just hope the EOS gets the rework it deserves. |
Wolfic
EldarRiders Stainwagon.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:26:00 -
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The only buff drone boats still need is to stop gate guns from targeting your drones. |
Songbird
57
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:03:00 -
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The only buff drone boats need is a module which drags sentry drones around, I'd love to have that |
MisterNick
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:09:00 -
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Kiting drone boats? That's a new one, I thought they fit heavy tanks and get up in your face to remove the issue of drone travelling time.
A domi with the new drone damage mods can put out decent DPS and is a solid as it is ugly "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
405
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:40:00 -
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Songbird wrote:The only buff drone boats need is a module which drags sentry drones around, I'd love to have that
ive been advocating for this on the forums. drone-dedicated boats such as Ishtar, Domi, Gila should have a role bonus that allows sentries to always travel at 100% ship speed. something along those lines. it would essentially expand these ships from niche to various roles. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:52:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:PinkKnife wrote: The EFT warriors utterly fail to consider applicable DPS. Sure 1000 DPS orgre IIs sounds nice, but they will always be kited to death without tackle on anything. Rendering them useless unless you are also within tackle range. And we all know how good those Dominixes are at dictating range and holding tackle.
Fitting 2 nav computers actually makes the ogres pretty quick, but due to the math they use, they are easily kited. (mwd to target, then orbit, then re mwd to target, etc). It isn't like missile dps which is more or less constant once the travel time is reached (depending on speed etc etc)
Yes damn CCP for making a Battleship need tackle support to attack fast moving smaller targets. Battleships should be the lvl 85's of EVE Online and pwn everything smaller. Neut Domi rips the MWD right out from under Kiters. Tracking Disruptor takes away Gun Boats ability to Kite and can be fit in any one of there spacious mids. Sentries can be recalled the second they are fired upon and you can boost there tracking / range again with those great mids. You can chase down Kiters with Hammerheads that do a lot more damage now that you can boost there DPS and you have room for spares. ECM Drones fit in there as well on top of a full Drone Compliment. Blasters with null and Tracking Mods can hit out to point range now since the buff. If your problem is you can't catch kiters solo then you are plain out flying the wrong class of ship because what Battleship can catch a Kiter. That is what fast tackle and ranged tackle is made for, supporting bigger ships who have the DPS / EHP. If your problem is that you can hit them or force them off, you are using the wrong fits to do so because no Kiter wants there Capacitor one volleyed by a Neut Domi or wants an endless stream of 320 DPS Hammerhead II's flying at them well they are trying to grind down a Battleship Tank. Domi is not a great big fleet boat but it is the most versatile T1 Battleship and unlike most ships you cannot just determine what you are facing until you are fighting it. Shield 1500DPS, Energy Neutralizer, Heavy Drone Supported, Ewar Loaded, Armor Blaster, Sentry Sniper with extra Frigate / Cruiser countering ability using Scout Drones. They can run every bit of the PvP dauntlet and that is worth a lot in small scale PvP where the Domi is not only amazing but amazing while being only a Tier 1 Battleship that cost 80mil. Oh and it is great at PvE to boot.
Don't get me wrong, the domi is a great ship (I don't fly it), but there is a lot of EFT talk on here about 1600dps domi's being the new overpowered flavor of the month, which just isn't he case. That was my point. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
451
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:56:00 -
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Make sentries orbit the parent ship at all times but still fire like arty. There. I fixed droneboats. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
28
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:03:00 -
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Tonanin wrote:My Dominix, is fitted with Blasters no drones options, web scram, armor tanked with a rep. But I don't seem to live long without support. Every test match I do in corp has me lossing against other battleships. I do know what I'm talking about and I have tryed railguns, blasters, autocannons even artillery but not working, have good tank but don't have damage. I drop low for drone damage I loss tank... I have tryed shield, was worse. Tryed with neuts/vamps don't work, I keeped lossing drones, they bought more for me... I don't see how I'm not knowing what I'm talking about.
So what would be bad about giving drone boats 5 more drones in space and having logi drones rep the controller without orders.... I don't see how that would be bad,
Below is the answer to all your problems:
Fly a Drake. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Noisrevbus
140
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:10:00 -
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Tonanin wrote:I keeped lossing drones, they bought more for me... I don't see how I'm not knowing what I'm talking about.
It's because you haven't learnt that you can pull drones yet, and that their shields replenish in your bay, like your ship do in a station. Your damage is only low because you lose drones, and you lose drones because you don't know how to fly a droneboat. They are not a fire-and-forget tool.
Quote:Make sentries orbit the parent ship at all times but still fire like arty. There. I fixed droneboats.
But then you can no longer improve your drones tracking by pulling ships away from them and onto you .
A better suggestion would be to simply let Sentries move like other drones, so you could issue stay-return commands.
I'm not too keen on follow-commands because that extra damage should come with some drawback, but they could definately improve on the drone interface and remove the worst hardcode limitations (such as complete immobility). |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
888
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:36:00 -
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Drone boats need love:
Ishtar could use a tad more CPU. Myrm should get 100mbit/s bandwidth. All drone boats should receive bonus to all drone effects (EWAR, logi, mining). Drone control UI needs a revamp.
That's it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Vexor or Domi.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Crellion
Parental Control
25
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:05:00 -
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OP is 99.99999% a ridiculous troll.
Am posting solly because of last page suggestions to make sentries move with the speed of the parent vessel or orbit it: Would be op... Even if you gave them a movement speed of 100 it would still be OP... hell even movement speed of 80 would be allign speed of a Carrier making them obsolete fighters in niche situations...
I would sort of consider a module fittable on Ishtar Gila Ishkur only giving them a speed of say 150 to allow obvious sniper fits a viable allignment option... still worried it would be OP... |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
138
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:28:00 -
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Crellion wrote:OP is 99.99999% a ridiculous troll.
Am posting solly because of last page suggestions to make sentries move with the speed of the parent vessel or orbit it: Would be op... Even if you gave them a movement speed of 100 it would still be OP... hell even movement speed of 80 would be allign speed of a Carrier making them obsolete fighters in niche situations...
I would sort of consider a module fittable on Ishtar Gila Ishkur only giving them a speed of say 150 to allow obvious sniper fits a viable allignment option... still worried it would be OP...
Powerfully yes, op no, anything that can hit back at a sentry drone with any sort of range, can also alpha it......with turrets anyway. |
Lask Nardieu
Mining INC DK
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:11:00 -
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My fits for the 2 Gallente ship I love flying and I have no problems do any lvl 4. Some will shout sentry but i like drones and fine how it is.
Dominix Navy Issue Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Drone Damage Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Domination 100MN Afterburner Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x12 Hammerhead II x7
DPS: 541 Drones: 313 Volley 1124
Megathron Navy Issue Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Cap Recharger II Domination 100MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x8 Hammerhead II x6
DPS: 558 Drones: 223 Volley 2164 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
230
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:56:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Songbird wrote:The only buff drone boats need is a module which drags sentry drones around, I'd love to have that ive been advocating for this on the forums. drone-dedicated boats such as Ishtar, Domi, Gila should have a role bonus that allows sentries to always travel at 100% ship speed. something along those lines. it would essentially expand these ships from niche to various roles.
I'd just be happy if you could use a tractor beam on them. Put a tractor in the highs and get the stragglers back fast. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
527
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:14:00 -
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Lask Nardieu wrote:My fits for the 2 Gallente ship I love flying and I have no problems do any lvl 4. Some will shout sentry but i like drones and fine how it is.
Dominix Navy Issue Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Drone Damage Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Domination 100MN Afterburner Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x12 Hammerhead II x7
DPS: 541 Drones: 313 Volley 1124
That's the best you could squeeze out of a Navy Dominix for that kind of cash? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
892
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:33:00 -
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Those fits need more cap modules and T2 cap rigs, then they are perfect.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
X Gallentius
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
287
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Posted - 2012.06.19 20:08:00 -
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Songbird wrote:The only buff drone boats need is a module which drags sentry drones around, I'd love to have that Proposal: Tractor beams work on active ships and drones. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.19 20:45:00 -
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Drone boats shouldn't be just for pvp... |
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Flakey Foont
155
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:02:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Lask Nardieu wrote:My fits for the 2 Gallente ship I love flying and I have no problems do any lvl 4. Some will shout sentry but i like drones and fine how it is.
Dominix Navy Issue Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Drone Damage Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Domination 100MN Afterburner Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x12 Hammerhead II x7
DPS: 541 Drones: 313 Volley 1124 That's the best you could squeeze out of a Navy Dominix for that kind of cash? |
Amarr Haircare Products
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 06:27:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Drone boats shouldn't be just for pvp...
That's funny. Most people use drone boats for PvE.
Advantages of drone boats: - EWAR immunity - Cap-free, High-slot-free damage source - Dictate range all you want, because it doesn't matter to a drone boat - Neither does tracking really - Drones in all damage type versions and even neut/web/EWAR/remote repair versions
Not everything is about raw DPS/EHP ratio. |
mama guru
Evolution The Retirement Club
47
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:19:00 -
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Drone boats dont need love. Drones do.
Problem with droneboats is not that they are underpowered its that the drones themselves are shite. Big drones travel at bs MWD speeds and track really badly. Sentries dont orbit you and lights travel faster than they can track.
Drones really need to go the way of fighter bombers and become missile shooters so they can base their damage on signature rather than tracking. All drones need to be traveling the speed of fighters as a bare minumum to stand a real chance of being a viable fleet weapon. Drones need to follow YOU in warp so you dont loose em every time you need to manouver out of a bubble in a fleet battle. Armor tanking droneboats needs alot more lowslots so they can fit their damage mods.
blablabla....
There is about a billion things you can do to fix drones without doubling their dps or something stupid like that, only problem is that CCP couldnt care less and instead wants us to enjoy our new missile effects(which are awesome).
It took CCP like 6 years to add adjustable keybindings for crying out loud and you're wondering why drones are not fixed yet? ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Alara IonStorm
2450
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:38:00 -
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mama guru wrote: Big drones travel at bs MWD speeds and track really badly. Big Drones Track as well as most Frigate Guns. Ogre II 0.36 Tracking. Beserker II .567 Tracking. Put Dual Webs on a Frigate and they will practically instapop them. The thing is speed, they can hit fine they just can't catch there targets useless they are heavy webbed and / or you have Drone Nav Comps. .
That is why Drone Tracking Computers are a Sentry Tool. Scout Drones hit everything they can reach. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:03:00 -
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Drones need no ammo, can fire forever, have no falloff, have exactly the amount of tracking needed, can deal all 4 damage types, use no cap/grid/cpu/slots, and are immune to ewar /neuting. |
Alara IonStorm
2451
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:06:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:have no falloff. Drones have falloff.
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:have no falloff. Drones have falloff. i meant control range. Even then a drone will continue to attack a target if you move outside that range. |
mama guru
Evolution The Retirement Club
48
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:14:00 -
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Ogres tend to miss plenty on the first few volleys, yes the tracking is good on paper but you have to remember a drones approach pattern, they always overshoot their target and end up trailing behind, and it is only then the hits starts landing.
Missile based damage would be a much better mechanic for drones, similar to fighter bombers. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.21 20:29:00 -
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Drones need a better UI and Amarr and Caldari drones should become viable. If you want a drone fleet, try sentry ishtars or RR Domis. |
mama guru
Evolution The Retirement Club
48
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:06:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:If you want a drone fleet, try sentry ishtars or RR Domis.
These doctrines are **** because sentries dont follow you. Either you or your damage wont move out of position fast enough. I'd love to see sentry domi fleets but to get that we need sentries orbiting you.
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EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
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