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Rhen Ayase
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:17:00 -
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its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:21:00 -
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It is a vote for an entity that has no decision making power, so why does it matter?
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Tona Dah
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:26:00 -
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Hey this truly is unfair! People must have accounts to vote! It is not fair that people who play cannot vote!
That there was a conclusion based on the logic in the OP, if it is unfair that people that have more accounts have more votes it is unfair that people that have one account have more votes than people that have no accounts.
In any case a plutocracy is a good thing here. I truly want that people that take their spaceships seriously (like Chribba) have more power in these matters.
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Aggressive Bias
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:33:00 -
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Agree with OP, but CCP isn't changing ****.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:33:00 -
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So the one with more money is paying more for an internet cybergina to go on holiday. That's really their choice, let them choose which cybergina they send to Iceland. It's not going to get them any rancidfish whatever the case, so I say, let them spend. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:55:00 -
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Another way to look at it is the fact big alliance can push in representatives from their side simply due to the numbers they have; it's a good thing CCP tried to do but the CSM is pretty much corrupt and pointless imo __________________
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas. Another way to look at it is the fact big alliance can push in representatives from their side simply due to the numbers they have; it's a good thing CCP tried to do but the CSM is pretty much corrupt and pointless imo
Are you suggesting that we ban alliances from the CSM?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rhen Ayase its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account.
Just like real life, then.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that we ban alliances from the CSM?
Or perhaps just the CSM. Replace with a forum poll. |
Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Are you suggesting that we disband alliances from the CSM?
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar citizen4561451 on 18/11/2009 13:29:03
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Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rhen Ayase its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account.
Just like with shareholders in real life, the guy with 15 accounts has 15 times more money invested than you. Why shouldnt he then have 15 times more voting power? CCP couldnt care less if one person pays the party or many does as long as they get the money...
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 14:34:00 -
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I have 7 accounts but couldn't be bothered to log in the others so just voted with 1.
----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Alliance creation service, also corp updates |
Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.11.18 16:04:00 -
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I want Clowns for CSM! Just think for the next CSM panel held in Iceland you will see a clown car roll on stage. Out pops 7 (?) clowns. All peeping each others noses and throwing pies at the audience (and each other). That would be worth the price of admission.
Clowns for CSM! ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Rhen Ayase
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.18 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
Originally by: Rhen Ayase its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account.
Just like with shareholders in real life, the guy with 15 accounts has 15 times more money invested than you. Why shouldnt he then have 15 times more voting power? CCP couldnt care less if one person pays the party or many does as long as they get the money...
so then they shouldnt call it democratic if it isnt... then they should call it account shareholder voting or whatever, but not democratic. it isnt and thats fact. -------------------------------------- Slave and Property of Kathryn Dougans. |
K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.11.18 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rhen Ayase its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account.
Democracy is an ideal that does not exist in RL. Why hold CCP and the CSM up to something that does not nor ever has been??
EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM. |
Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that we ban alliances from the CSM?
Or perhaps just the CSM. Replace with a forum poll.
You mean the forums that one can log into and post on with multiple accounts? Derp.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:38:00 -
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I have 17 accounts, can I vote?
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gorhan54
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas. Another way to look at it is the fact big alliance can push in representatives from their side simply due to the numbers they have; it's a good thing CCP tried to do but the CSM is pretty much corrupt and pointless imo
Toss your opinion and go with the facts. How many CSM's have been found to be corrupt? When they are found, CCP goes "Oh thats ok go ahead and abuse your position." Right? There will always be some people who don't feel like following the rules. Don't be stupid and call the CSM corrupt when a very small percentage have been found to be, especially when the ones found are removed.
Good job ignoring all the good work they've done and the positive changes they've made. I think you're just jealous that you know you'd never win a position there.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that we ban alliances from the CSM?
Or perhaps just the CSM. Replace with a forum poll.
You mean the forums that one can log into and post on with multiple accounts? Derp.
No I mean the forums that are already in use and don't lie and steal. |
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that we ban alliances from the CSM?
Or perhaps just the CSM. Replace with a forum poll.
You mean the forums that one can log into and post on with multiple accounts? Derp.
No I mean the forums that are already in use and don't lie and steal.
Is that a dig at me bro? I did many things but I didn't lie or steal. If you are going to try and drag my name through the mud then at least get get the facts right plz.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rhen Ayase its a plutocracy: the one with the money get more votes, because they have more accounts. i hear from many people its normal to have 2 or even 3 accounts, up to 8 or even heard of one with 15.
its not democratic for one to have up to 15 votes compared to one only want (or can afford) one eve account.
its fair really. Since those who have more accounts have invested more in the game, they should have more to say in it too! just like the shareholders who have more shares in a company have more to say during the decisionmaking/votations!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Davich MacGregor
Minmatar Stellar Products and Quality Resources
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue It is a vote for an entity that has no decision making power, so why does it matter?
This
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 18/11/2009 19:16:09 Edited by: Tiny Tove on 18/11/2009 19:15:42
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Originally by: Tiny Tove No I mean the forums that are already in use and don't lie and steal.
Is that a dig at me bro? I did many things but I didn't lie or steal. If you are going to try and drag my name through the mud then at least get get the facts right plz.
If you think it is, then it is. If you don't then it isn't. You know what you got caught for and what you didn't. As does every other party who was ever given information that others don't get. Especially in the case of the CSM where it doesn't even need the information, because it has no power or authority to do a thing about it, nor can it talk to anybody else about it.
And Since you're deliberately missing the point, let's spell it out so that even a CSM candidate can understand. The CSM does precisely nothing* that a forum poll can't do.
Save our carriers, save our moms, when it comes to things that apparently matter, they don't telephone their CSM buddy, they hit the forums.
It's that simple. Maybe if they'd given us the CSM we were promised things could have been different. They gave that job, to, wait for it, themselves, Arkkanon, and gave us.... Massive. Waste. Of. Time.
*And in case you were wondering why it still exists despite the pathetic voting turnouts, it's because no other game has got one, and they can lie to marketing departments at irrelevant "webzines" about how it's a tool to empower the players, who in reality already had the powers we were "given" via the CSM. They probably get an irrelevant award for it from some of the irrelevant webzines as well.
Marketing, damage limitation (and boy did that backfire), bullpies. That's all it ever was. --- WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 19:33:02 Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 19:28:52
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Is that a dig at me bro? I did many things but I didn't lie or steal. If you are going to try and drag my name through the mud then at least get get the facts right plz.
YES YOU DID
YOU STOLE OUR INNOCENCE!!!
We believed in the CSM as a force for good and you ruined it. You ruined... EVERYTHING!!!!
SKUNK
VOTE ABSTAIN
Its Easy
1) Look to the left of your screen in the menu bar. 2) Locate the EVE INSIDER heading (about half way down) and open 3) Locate the CSM header (Abouyt half way down) 4) Click on "main"
And from there you can go vote.
ABSTAIN is at the very bottom of the page.
TIME TO SHAME WITH THE ABSTAIN!!!!! (o)
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Hairy Sue
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 19:33:02 Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 19:28:52
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Is that a dig at me bro? I did many things but I didn't lie or steal. If you are going to try and drag my name through the mud then at least get get the facts right plz.
YES YOU DID
YOU STOLE OUR INNOCENCE!!!
We believed in the CSM as a force for good and you ruined it. You ruined... EVERYTHING!!!!
SKUNK
VOTE ABSTAIN
Vote abstain, and do your part to hoist the CSM by its own petard.
Its easy to do And will take under 1 min. You wont have to clink on a dodgy link you can do it via the menu system on the left.
Many of you will have had a half assed look for how to vote and then given up. Here is how you do it.
1) Look to the left of your screen in the menu bar. 2) Locate the EVE INSIDER heading (about half way down) and open 3) Locate the CSM header (Abouyt half way down) 4) Click on "main"
And from there you can go vote.
ABSTAIN is at the very bottom of the page.
TIME TO SHAME WITH THE ABSTAIN!!!!!
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 18/11/2009 20:11:40 I don't know the difference between clicking "Abstain", and actually abstaining, ie, not clicking anything. The two appear to me, to be identical.
But I think to CCP, clicking Abstain means, "I love the CSM, but these candidates suck". And actually abstaining means "I don't pretend care about the things CCP pretend to care about, so therefore I should have my genuine abstain disregarded in the press."
Since they took the time to give us an abstain button, they must have had a reason, and I think it's so they can make the turnout figure unnaturally high by disregarding those who actually abstain. But hey if anybody else can think of a reason why they did that's slightly more plausible.... |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 20:27:46 Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/11/2009 20:25:43
Originally by: Tiny Tove Edited by: Tiny Tove on 18/11/2009 20:11:40 I don't know the difference between clicking "Abstain", and actually abstaining, ie, not clicking anything. The two appear to me, to be identical.
But I think to CCP, clicking Abstain means, "I love the CSM, but these candidates suck". And actually abstaining means "I don't pretend care about the things CCP pretend to care about, so therefore I should have my genuine abstain disregarded in the press."
Since they took the time to give us an abstain button, they must have had a reason, and I think it's so they can make the turnout figure unnaturally high by disregarding those who actually abstain. But hey if anybody else can think of a reason why they did that's slightly more plausible....
An interesting point.
Previous incredibly low voter turnouts have been shrugged off by CCP and the marketing fanfare continued a pace.
However, If you could imagine a future election where more people vote abstain (in the absence of a non of the above button) then actually vote for candidates, I think we would have a strong base to demand the CSM is dismantled or radically altered from its present (chose from the following) corrupt/expensive/useless/non representative/freeloading/and just plain embarrasing state.
Together we can do it. Vote Abstain with your 19 accounts.
SKUNK (o)
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:28:00 -
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Three things the CSM has accomplished? And I'll give you one:
1. Skill queue 2. ??? 3. ???
The CSM is a popularity contest for self-important people to win a trip to Iceland. I've read the minutes. I saw the panel at FanFest. The CSM is a waste of money that would be better spent on development.
KB
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Three things the CSM has accomplished? And I'll give you one:
1. Skill queue 2. ??? 3. ???
The CSM is a popularity contest for self-important people to win a trip to Iceland. I've read the minutes. I saw the panel at FanFest. The CSM is a waste of money that would be better spent on development.
Vote abstain then with all your accounts
1) Look to the menu bar to the left of the forums 2) Look for EVE INSIDER (about half way down) - Expand the menu 3) Look for CSM tab 4) Click on main 5) Follow the on screen prompts, ABSTAIN is at the bottom of the candidate list 6) Confirm your abstain vote 7) Sleep easier at night knowing you are doing something to combat the CSM
(o)
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