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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:08:00 -
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It's that time of year again: CSM election time! If you haven't voted yet, you should. And if you're looking for some inspiration, check out CCP Diagoras' blog on the matter.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:19:00 -
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Confirming I have voted on all my 31,337 accounts
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lolzrelgions
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:07:00 -
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Not trusting CCP with the CSM and any form of player feedback any more. Not after CCP Nozh screwed up that badly and no one from CCP stepped in to stop him or even to explain anything.
Sorry no, not going to believe you any more.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:17:00 -
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As has been stated previously, the CSM has no official power and it cannot force CCP to implement anything.
That said the CSM does have a role in putting the players' point of view to CCP, bringing issues to their attention and can keep pressure on them.
This is probably not the response people want to hear right now...
Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
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Aethrwolf
Caldari Podrratu
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:17:00 -
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Voted, but tending to agree with the sentiments expressed in posts 3 and 4. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:27:00 -
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<- Not voting this time around. Maybe next time.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce?
This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say? ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
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Nightbird
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:34:00 -
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Quick, Quick!!!
Post another blog that tries to push the Mothership cluster-f*ck off the top of the blog list.
I voted, by the way.
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Darriele
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:38:00 -
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CSM is only as pure "stage decoration", it doesn't fulfill any roles. Recent CCP actions proves it. So there is no reason to vote someone running for a spot in CSM. It's futile.
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Clone 1
Occision
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:40:00 -
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During the development of my vote I have been looking at the whole of CSM and in particular the voting--reviewing their place on these election and my goals for them as candidates. I am unhappy with their role they currently occupy in practice and after much deliberation and thinking I am not any happier with the direction I was taking my vote. In too short a time I've chosen a candidate that doesn't have a unique enough role or serve a diverse enough purpose. These are massive votes that require amazing amounts thinking to decide. They are part of the power equation of EVE's unique and important Alliance Warfare. As a voter I need to take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the vote choice.
Regrettably, I've come to the point where I can no longer commit to making a choice of candidate they're supposed to be for Dominion. However, I are going to continue refining my thinking, keep our welding torches hot and you should see my vote undocking from the shipyards again once we and the community are happy with their candidate.
This means NO VOTE WILL BE MADE TO CANTIDATES IN DOMINION. Since they are part of the original rebalancing effort, the DEPLOYMENT OF more VOTES WILL ALSO BE POSPOSTPONED.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce?
This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say?
The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:50:00 -
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Abraham Stain for CSM ! --------
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Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:51:00 -
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Not voting AT ALL for CSM is a vote of no confidence in CCP.
I urge everyone to NOT vote at all. The CSM is useless in preventing CCP from making disastrous, NGE like changes to this game, and they also don't even serve the purpose they were originally proposed for anyway, which was being a player watchdog to prevent any more T20's.
If you vote for CSM you are only voting on which superfanboi gets a free trip to Iceland... on YOUR dime. We pay for it after all.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce?
This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say?
The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about?
I am talking about the fact that CCP is currently ignoring 100+ pages of near-unanimous feedback that their supercapital balance changes are absolutely insane, and CCP Nozh is not in any way qualified to make them. If CCP is willing to ignore the players in this case, why should we have any reason to believe that they will pay attention to the CSM on any issue that they don't already agree on? ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
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Silver Tongues
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about?
I believe he's speaking about CCP Abathur (sp?) and his original redesign for Super Carriers, which received much support. CCP Nozh was the next dev to reply to that thread and had different changes for the Super Carriers which caused an uproar.
Heaven forbid that Abathur and Nozh are working on the same scrum team and both are sharing ideas about where the Super Carriers could go, yet Nozh was most likely set up as a scape goat so the population would freak out at him instead of Abathur or anybody else.
For those players who are freaking out about "CCP not listening to players" why don't you go read through the original Sov change dev blog threadnaught, then read through the new one and see how much the players influenced everything. Just because CCP doesn't like the way a ship's Niche is going, doesn't mean you don't get a say in what happens. You do, you really do. They're making these changes to make the game better for you. But they have to agree with the changes too, which they obviously didn't with the Super Carriers, so get over yourselves.
Back on topic, I'll make my voting decision Soon (tm).
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
I am talking about the fact that CCP is currently ignoring 100+ pages of near-unanimous feedback that their supercapital balance changes are absolutely insane, and CCP Nozh is not in any way qualified to make them. If CCP is willing to ignore the players in this case, why should we have any reason to believe that they will pay attention to the CSM on any issue that they don't already agree on?
Your argument is poor.
First of all, there's a large difference between random rambling on the forum and discussing with the responsible people face to face. I'm not saying that CCP is doing a great job with the mothership changes when they killed Abathur's plan. But the fact that CCP is not being communicative about the issue at hand doesn't mean that the CSM is worthless.
Also, if you had done any sort of research about the CSM, you'd know that we managed to convince CCP that a skill queue was a good idea.
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p diddle
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Tongues
Originally by: LaVista Vista The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about?
I believe he's speaking about CCP Abathur (sp?) and his original redesign for Super Carriers, which received much support. CCP Nozh was the next dev to reply to that thread and had different changes for the Super Carriers which caused an uproar.
Heaven forbid that Abathur and Nozh are working on the same scrum team and both are sharing ideas about where the Super Carriers could go, yet Nozh was most likely set up as a scape goat so the population would freak out at him instead of Abathur or anybody else.
For those players who are freaking out about "CCP not listening to players" why don't you go read through the original Sov change dev blog threadnaught, then read through the new one and see how much the players influenced everything. Just because CCP doesn't like the way a ship's Niche is going, doesn't mean you don't get a say in what happens. You do, you really do. They're making these changes to make the game better for you. But they have to agree with the changes too, which they obviously didn't with the Super Carriers, so get over yourselves.
Back on topic, I'll make my voting decision Soon (tm).
You should really read dev blogs better. You are about 5 days behind.
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Orgell Evaan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:05:00 -
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I, too, am refraining from voting in this year's Collection of Simulated Managers elections. I honestly have better things to do with my time than waste it voting people into ineffectual positions. CCP has shown that the concerns of the CSM carry as much weight as the complaints of cattle in the chute outside the slaughterhouse.
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Silver Tongues
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: p diddle You should really read dev blogs better. You are about 5 days behind.
How so? In the past 5 days there have been 4 dev blogs including this one. One of the dev blogs I mentioned falls within this timeframe, and the outcome of that dev blog was changed by player opinions from the previous blog.
/I just got trolled, huh?
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:23:00 -
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God willing may this thread also turn into 100+ pages of delicious salty tears.
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Kalestra Cable
Caldari Faust Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:36:00 -
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Waste of time the first year and nothing has changed.
Pointless pseudo democratic talking shops that achieve nothing of consequence aren't just a waste of time but insulting.
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Zhike Jonze
Caldari FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:45:00 -
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Sorry, not this time.
recent events with capital ship balancing has shown that it is a waste of time for me to vote. Does it matter?
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kalestra Cable Pointless pseudo democratic talking shops that achieve nothing of consequence aren't just a waste of time but insulting.
Are we talking about forums or the CSM now, I lost track
I can understand people don't like the lack of answers on why changes have been rejected only a few weeks before release, but posting rubbish and calling for the Dev's scalp isn't going to help change CCPs mind.
With the elections in progress I'm not sure if CSM 3 are still active, but if so now would be a good time for them and CCP to have a meeting to come to a more acceptable compromise or at least get some answers to some key questions...
Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:59:00 -
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Too much corruption in the CSM's.
/me waits for for the thread to flood with, "But there is corruption in real life politics so that means it is ok to do it here." tears.
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 -
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Why bother to vote? CCP deletes any response we give them. Why would we think they listen to csm?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's.
So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt?
Interesting.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bilbo II Why bother to vote? CCP deletes any response we give them. Why would we think they listen to csm?
Because the CSM might put forward rational points and not 100page threadnaughts of spam where the good points are lost in the noise?
It is fair to say people are upset, but it isn't going to get you anywhere with CCP just raging about it. Rational representation is required and I understand whilst the CSM have no power to compel CCP to make changes etc that any issue raised by them is supposed to get a response from CCP.
Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
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Grillmeister Grim
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:11:00 -
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Mass censorship doesn't really encourage me to trust CCP that they really mean it with all the sweet talk about player feedback and what not. It only shows that they too easily ignore posts which are unwanted or do not fit into their mindset. So what should be different with the CSM? Just because it is 'face to face' talk a few times a year? LOL, how naive can you be? Grow up. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grillmeister Grim Mass censorship doesn't really encourage me to trust CCP that they really mean it with all the sweet talk about player feedback and what not.
Because if you vote for the right candidates, it will be taken care of.
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