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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:10:00 -
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I think this is a critical issue which CSM4 needs to bring up for their trip to Iceland:
Right now, we are seeing moderators killing posts left and right like there's no tomorrow. It's rather disgusting to say the least.
By cross-referencing with eve-search it's clear it's simply taking it a step too far.
CSM4 needs to request to talk to Wrangler and co. and discuss moderation. What's taking place currently is unacceptable and is merely amplifying the rage on the forum.
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New ones
Koln united
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:15:00 -
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Darriele
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grypher
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:16:00 -
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supported
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ProContractor
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:16:00 -
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Mrs Trzzbk
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:17:00 -
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The moderation of this forum has always been out of control and heavy-handed, and it has never been accountable to anybody. _________________________________________________________
it's good to have land Trust me, I'm a Spacebert. |
Pedron Niaal
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:17:00 -
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Athos Zel'tar
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:18:00 -
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Commander Tigre
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:18:00 -
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Instead of wasting effort censoring the topic, address the topic and *poof* no more need to censor. Imagine that... "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, you're already dead." |
robert stout
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:19:00 -
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vile56
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:19:00 -
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**** ya **** you mods
aka i agree wholeheartedly
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:20:00 -
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Ryan Powers
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:20:00 -
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/signed Free Abathur! |
Konoch
Caldari Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I think this is a critical issue which CSM4 needs to bring up for their trip to Iceland:
Right now, we are seeing moderators killing posts left and right like there's no tomorrow. It's rather disgusting to say the least.
By cross-referencing with eve-search it's clear it's simply taking it a step too far.
CSM4 needs to request to talk to Wrangler and co. and discuss moderation. What's taking place currently is unacceptable and is merely amplifying the rage on the forum.
The CSM needs to NOT go to Iceland and state to CCP that unless things are un****ed RIGHT NOW the CSM stands dissolved. The CSM and Sisi had no small part in making what was supposed to happen in dominion possible. Everything just got thrown out. It needs to be fixed and it needs to be explained NOW.
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Zhike Jonze
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:20:00 -
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:21:00 -
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That comes from letting untrained rookies doing the forum moderation. They totally freak out at the first sign and then smash everything as hard as they can thinking they can get control over things again - of course they can't.
Deleting some crap-posts is one thing. Mass censorship and deleting 50% of the forum thread is something completely different and shouldn't be allowed.
I do not have much trust in the CSM any more, but I give you the benefit of doubt and say yeah, go on. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:22:00 -
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Many countrys in the RW have "Democratic" in there official names.
Of course they are anything but.. Because they have no freedom of speech.
Democracy and Freedom of speech go hand in hand. The recent censorship in this forum is somewhat concerning.
Question to cccp Just what kind of "Democracy" are you trying to support in the creation of the CSM.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:22:00 -
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D'ceet
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:22:00 -
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**** da (forum) police.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Hahaha what the christ?!
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Nucanot
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:23:00 -
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Cire XIII
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:23:00 -
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Ghuarran
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:24:00 -
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Supported. Constructive dialogue will help this out, not this. ----------------------------------------------- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. --Sir Winston Churchill |
Honest Smedley
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:25:00 -
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I disagree.
The last few devblog threads have been overwhelmingly filled with 'town hell' style self-interested folks exaggerating, making self-righteous demands and frankly, being *******s. I fully support filtering out the ****posting and banning the *******s to make rational debate easier to follow.
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Maliece
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:26:00 -
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mass censoring is bad, talking to each other should be the way how to deal with each other
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Fogy
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:30:00 -
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"EVE Online: Shenanigans"
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:33:00 -
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Marus Safeld
Trojans Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:34:00 -
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FOl2TY8
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:34:00 -
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Down wit the clown
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coeathal vega
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: coeathal vega on 20/11/2009 21:34:48 I understand, CCP's product, CCP's rules.
But enough is enough.
Have the balls to take the criticism.
over and out. ----
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Groperson
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:35:00 -
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Completely correct. The censorship is ridiculous.
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Nebarus
Korbitron Industries The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:35:00 -
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Rutger Centemus
Dvice Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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Iximos
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:37:00 -
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LShock
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:37:00 -
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supported
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Ravenid
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:38:00 -
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Agreed
_________________________________________________ Transparency, democracy, player consensus and Scrum - all abandoned. Thank for your help, Nozh! |
EvE Oracle
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:38:00 -
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gergragda Deleting posts is non-constructive
Disagreement is constructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, they are mutually exclusive.
Quoting this, and posting it every time more posts are deleted. And I feel pretty dirty quoting a Goon.
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:40:00 -
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Itzena
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Itzena on 20/11/2009 21:42:46 ETA until "Diskussion ov moderation ist verboten" threadlock?
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Charlemeign
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:43:00 -
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Buxaroo
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:44:00 -
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/signed. And this is coming from a Star Wars Galaxies player who quit the day after the NGE hit and never looked back. Don't let me quit CCP the same way.
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo /signed. And this is coming from a Star Wars Galaxies player who quit the day after the NGE hit and never looked back. Don't let me quit CCP the same way.
" Credit is the economic judgement on the morality of a man. " |
Seven Seas
Beach Boys
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:46:00 -
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signed |
Nightbird
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:48:00 -
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Censorship won't hide your mistake... it is only a vain attempt to prevent others from pointing it out.
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McTecman
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:52:00 -
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Lalai Dama
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:01:00 -
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At least we all got one thing in common and that is the love for this great game.
NATHAN HEEEEEEELP
OKI i got it out of my system
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:02:00 -
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Removing flaming and inappropriate content or editing is fine, but they shouldn't be substituted by waves of deletion. It is just bad moderation and creates unnecessary hostility against CCP.
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Arramis
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:03:00 -
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------------------------------------------ FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME!
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Roughlove
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:03:00 -
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Orb Vex
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:05:00 -
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YES!!! And FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME!
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Corduroy Rab
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:07:00 -
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---- Proper piracy starts at home. |
Mistchaser
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:11:00 -
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I am curious (and the CSM probably needs to know if they are going to communicate effectively about it) what sorts of things are being censored?
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lord cyrez
Orbis Aeternitas
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:14:00 -
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aye, been live in the "New Dev Blog: Capital Ships In Dominion"-thread.
posts worth for *at least* 10+ pages have been deleted. admittedly, quite a bunch of them were just quotes with little additional content - but:
even these "empty quotes" serve a purpose. they carry on valueable arguments to players not reading a xx+ pages thread. most skip to the last page(s) - and there they see the quotes from others, containing (usually) solid points and suggestions.
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Rafinra
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:16:00 -
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The moderation was out of line. Although I do see the need to keep a discussion civil and constructive, I think that many of the previous postings were correct in their conclusion that the moderators instead of taking the correct action created a classic example of mass censorship. I do not have a viable solution to the problem that has arisen, but I would ask the Devs on all levels to at least answer the complaints and questions on the forums a bit more intelligently than introducing a completely unrelated Blog into an already dangerous minefield of upset customers/players.
Again this is just my two cents, and support of the original topic.
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ndal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:32:00 -
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This I can not support.
The forum has rules if people donĘt want to follow them then they can post elsewhere. The rules are made clear and if you fail to follow them then your post should be deleted to save anyone else the trouble of having to read it, if you want your point to be heard then post within the rules. If anything I feel the moderators are too lenient in their enforcing of the rules.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:34:00 -
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There are very simple rules to using this PRIVATE forum (posting requires payment - go figure). We all agree to them when we sign up and post, yet some idiots can't seem to grasp the concept of decency and are hit by the censors.
What needs to be done is for the posting rules to be made more readily available so the aforementioned idiots can have a say as well. Add them in a condensed form with link to full text on the sign-in page.
Common Sense, Common Decency. Both are essential in internet communications where accountability is moot and one has no access to read a persons body language (rather big one that when you think about it).
Not supported in the proposed form.
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Bio Reactor
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bio Reactor on 20/11/2009 22:44:43 free abathur. down with nozh. we don't need another "carrier 08" fail cascade.
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Save You
Nitro Corp Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:52:00 -
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:01:00 -
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Deleting posts isn't the best Crowd Control Possible...
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:03:00 -
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fuze
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:11:00 -
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Feedback doesn't mean it has to be positive all the time.
Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
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H Zebra
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:11:00 -
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whole pages are going missing, this is no way to act
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: ndal This I can not support.
The forum has rules if people donĘt want to follow them then they can post elsewhere. The rules are made clear and if you fail to follow them then your post should be deleted to save anyone else the trouble of having to read it, if you want your point to be heard then post within the rules. If anything I feel the moderators are too lenient in their enforcing of the rules.
CCP-Nozh parachute account spotted.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |
Kruzenshtern
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:19:00 -
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Moderatorial team should not be allowed to reach beyond reasonable spin control.
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TimGascoigne
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:19:00 -
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I agree. Censorship is taking us down a very dangerous path of putup and shut up if you don't like the changes. objections should remain as a post, even completely silly comments regardless of whether their content remains not. The fact that a post was made should still exist.
This strategy of removing the existence of the comment in its entirety is very belittling, heavy-handed and most of all an insult to our intelligence as if we won't notice.
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Gerard Deneth
Pavlov Labs GmBH Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:31:00 -
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I support more open and less strangling forum posting.
---------------------------- The Game's always changing under your feet; don't start moaning when you get a toe caught in the gears. |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 20/11/2009 23:36:29 Oh please, really?! Really Lavista Vista?! I thought you had more intelligence than this. The "mass censorship" is CCP deleting troll after troll post made by Goonswarm, -A-, and all the other elists in 0.0 in their unholy rage about the Mom changes. Your post here has confirmed that you are just being lead by the mass crowd. They are breaking the rules written in the forum rules. CCP made the rules, everyone is trying to break them. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it needs to be changed.
Don't like the "censorship?" Go somewhere else. I'm glad CCP is sticking to their guns and not all disagreement has been deleted. Just those that have no real disagreement and just post stupid characters and spam the thing to death because they don't like CCP's decision.
No support whatsoever.
--Isaac Signature is now under construction: check back in a couple weeks. Or months....
AMAAR VICTOR!
"You just can't fix stupid"
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:37:00 -
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:51:00 -
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I'm all for censorship when needed, but you've crossed the line, this is way too much.
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theghosthunter
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:59:00 -
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 21/11/2009 00:23:46
Over-zealous moderation stifles online-communities.
The heavier moderation is, the more moderate people leave. This creates a community consisting purely of "yes men". The result is a community with an increasingly elitist feel where new members are shouted down by those who feel they are closer to the moderators. It starts small and becomes a massive issue down the track.
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:32:00 -
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Anna Kommenos
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:51:00 -
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the posts being deleted are for the most part well deserved and relevant; ccp needs to address problems rather than ignore them, i remember some star wars game that failed utterly did the same...where is it now?
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William Pierce
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.21 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: William Pierce on 21/11/2009 01:38:05 /signed
There is a HUGE problem, you cannot simply censor people who try to point it out!
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Misaki Yuuko
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Posted - 2009.11.21 02:13:00 -
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CCP is terrible at PR and interaction with playerbase.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.11.21 02:35:00 -
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There are moments when CCP is terrible at PR and interaction with playerbase. This is one of those moments.
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Evil Amarrian142
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:08:00 -
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I'm thinking this mass censorship is reflected in CCP's name: Crowd Control Productions
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Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:35:00 -
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:52:00 -
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Forum moderation on EVE is usually pretty light handed, very much of the stuff you can post here would be censored on other games' boards. That said, the amount of censorship I saw today with no other apparent goal than to keep thread size low (when they ran out of troll posts to delete they started deleting on topic posts) makes me support this issue.
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Flaming Lemming
Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.11.21 04:11:00 -
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IBTD (in before the deletion)
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Pointfive
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Posted - 2009.11.21 04:49:00 -
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Hoping this thread gets deleted for max irony.
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Eliserae
Foreign-Legion ORDUM Mining and Fabrication Group
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Posted - 2009.11.21 06:29:00 -
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.21 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lusulpher on 21/11/2009 06:41:12 Can't complain about the oppression until you vote.
:fist: CSM is looking quite flacid. CCP is looking quite bad. Sii was looking quite good.
Turn the ship around. We have all seen Internet games sink, let's not have the Internet Spaceship one sink. 7 |
Levistus Junior
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.21 07:26:00 -
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/supported
This is getting ridiculous lately.
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Santehnik Potapych
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:06:00 -
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tx eight
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:07:00 -
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Cokeflake
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:08:00 -
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Zaisig Murakk
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:32:00 -
[88]
It's gotten ridiculous.
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Pandora Today
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Posted - 2009.11.21 09:03:00 -
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SpaceMonkey99
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Posted - 2009.11.21 11:30:00 -
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike The Council.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 13:36:00 -
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Star P'ergish
Minmatar Frontier Combine Inc Sempiternus
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:42:00 -
[92]
agreed If you donĘt care where you are, you ainĘt lost. |
Niraia
Starcakes
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Posted - 2009.11.21 17:43:00 -
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You want to discuss moderation? Isn't that against the ******ed forum rules or something?
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.11.21 19:35:00 -
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Not supported!
If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.
To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.
It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words.
Seriously, guys. Grow up! -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:14:00 -
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I would agree to this if i would see no trolls or simply ******ed posts. However, more then half the topicks here have been rased many times, (this shows need to include simple function into eve search- look for topick name), another half of the topicks are trolls, and another quester is simply stupid. I am all for moderation, within certain limits, maybe CCp did step over the line a bit, but with so many people FU**ing around and trolling and simply being DUM and selfish, i am not surprised. No support. Fix Destroyers |
El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween Not supported!
If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.
To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.
It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words.
Seriously, guys. Grow up!
Chinese government alt detected.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:41:00 -
[97]
On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning? |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:23:00 -
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I've been away these last few days so I haven't been able to follow the evolution of the threads that are likely responsible for the creation of this one, but if CCP really have finally gone for zero-tolerance as far as rubbish forum posts are concerned, then I heartily applaud them.
Contrary to popular belief, it is actually possible to post negative feedback constructively, i.e. without the use of memes that weren't even funny to begin with, without personal attacks on the devs (they, like the rest of us, are human beings), and without trolling in general.
All people need to do is just post within the rules of the forum, and there would be no issue.
Completely unsupported.
/Ben
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:26:00 -
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Or they could do what I suggested since the news of the CSM came out - spend that money on a public relation dude that learn/help CCP to communicate with their customers.
CSM is a farse, the recent moderation as well. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Klyria
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.11.22 01:13:00 -
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.11.22 02:12:00 -
[101]
Originally by: El Liptonez
Chinese government alt detected.
So, you're basically saying that you're one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between freedom of speech and personal insults? Roger, got that.
Ah, wait, I see, it's "teh intarwebs", rules are different here. Oh well, never mind ... -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.22 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: El Liptonez
Chinese government alt detected.
So, you're basically saying that you're one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between freedom of speech and personal insults? Roger, got that.
Ah, wait, I see, it's "teh intarwebs", rules are different here. Oh well, never mind ...
The "chinese government alt" was just demostrating the attitude that becomes more prevalent under over-moderation.
The users start to act more like moderators whenever a thread isn't removed instantly, turning themselves into a social police-force making sure no one settles who doesn't already agree with the established community groupthink.
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Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2009.11.22 06:21:00 -
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Sadly I'm guessing a lot of people here all happy about the deleted posts don't realize just how many of them were not trolling, swearing, or otherwise obnoxious, and contained solid ideas with real data backing them up. Yeah some troll posts were deleted, but unlike is usually the case, this time they were the in the minority.
HTFU CCP.
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Bomberlocks
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.22 06:35:00 -
[104]
Fuck yeah! <-- I wonder if the whale humpers in Icleand will censor this?
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.11.22 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Peryner on 22/11/2009 11:21:17 I know how to get the crowd under control! we'll shoot the loudest people!
-mothermoon is seriously ****ed
edit:for the record I'm in SUPPORTof the changes made in that dev blog.
So it's not just the people that disagree that think this mass deletion is wrong.
Originally by: Hel O'Ween Not supported!
dude, in the past they would simple edit the post, and add a reason, like "don't quote without content", or "please keep your posts constructive".
and it worked, no one got mad.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2009.11.22 12:14:00 -
[106]
While noise and emorage is high, censorship is not the solution.
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Lrrp
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.22 14:12:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Lrrp on 22/11/2009 14:12:57 Putting on my tinfoil hat, based on the amount of the posts deleted, one has to wonder if the flensing of the boards is due to potential investors reading the forums as part of their review process.
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Oscardoodle
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Posted - 2009.11.22 15:03:00 -
[108]
/supported.
Reading viewpoints from all sides of a discussion is important to me. Since i'm currently waiting to see just what Dominion does before resubbing this account (already closed my other 2 out of sheer frustration), I want to see what others think and feel about these issues i too am having.
If they are deleted before i get a chance to read them...
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Nian Banks
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.11.22 15:42:00 -
[109]
Deleting posts is the first sign of a company in trouble and trying to hide the fact. I have seen several MMO's that started to delete threads, they all slid into obscurity, having their servers reduced.
People don't appreciate having such tactics been used in a public forum such as this, it is terrible for public relations. In fact I wonder if the CCP headquartemrs is filled with neo natzis. Hrm hail ****** you s****assed islanders? :) I will insult you any time I please, why? Because it's only ever in response to your own disgusting actions and I can't express myself with my fists, too damned far away.
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Ebanni
Ebanni Mercantile
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Posted - 2009.11.22 18:17:00 -
[110]
I especially dislike the overly aggressive word filtering that picks up those words that contain syllables that might otherwise be considered profane if used as a separate and all too familiar obscenity.
OBSCENITY... as in a certain recent VIDEO featuring just about every employee in CCP enthusiastically f-bombing without restraint.
Hell (did that get censored?) I loved the video. It was cool. Sure, let's just exercise some tolerance and call that liberal usage of everyone's fave F-bomb and applaud the "artistic license". I'll agree 100%.
But let's see CCP grow a pair, apologize and drop this hypocrisy right now with all this heavy-handed censorship.
Cheers.
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Succubine
Caldari Succubine Dynasty Technologies
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Posted - 2009.11.22 18:52:00 -
[111]
No Support.
CCP should serve out mass temporary forum bans for all the little children so they can take a time-out.
The exaggerated whining in recent dev threads was fun and satisfying to see at first, but then it just turned into boring rant spam. People need to cry more creatively.
Oh, and ban the OP for poor judgment.
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Alaria Tinburin
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Posted - 2009.11.22 22:06:00 -
[112]
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shuckstar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.11.23 00:10:00 -
[113]
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.23 00:53:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ebanni I especially dislike the overly aggressive word filtering that picks up those words that contain syllables that might otherwise be considered profane if used as a separate and all too familiar obscenity.
OBSCENITY... as in a certain recent VIDEO featuring just about every employee in CCP enthusiastically f-bombing without restraint.
Hell (did that get censored?) I loved the video. It was cool. Sure, let's just exercise some tolerance and call that liberal usage of everyone's fave F-bomb and applaud the "artistic license". I'll agree 100%.
But let's see CCP grow a pair, apologize and drop this hypocrisy right now with all this heavy-handed censorship.
Cheers.
lol and for all of 3 seconds they managed to restrain from saying "f u c k" in the key-note address.
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Bomberlocks
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.23 07:52:00 -
[115]
LOL! Original Post:"**** yeah! <-- I wonder if the <paraphrased>partakers in cetacean intercourse</paraphrased> in Icleand will censor this? Very Happy"
They did. Deleted.
Granted, it was a provocation, but the sad fact is that the devs don't listen to the players unless they want to and the forum mods, well, if they actually followed their own rules and controlled trolling and abuse, the forums would probably be mostly empty.
The real problem with the forums and eve: Eve's marketing hypes how Eve is such a hard, cruel, cold game, where scamming, theft etc is all allowed and then they get surprised when the same players do the very same thing in the forums. Grow up!
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Komi Toran
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Posted - 2009.11.23 08:18:00 -
[116]
no opinion as I have no idea what is prompting this, but some observations:
For those screaming "censorship": CCP is a private entity, and this forum is their property. Posting here is, therefore, a privilege, not a right, as it is CCP that holds the right to determine what messages are transmitted through their property, not you. CCP is not using the tools of violence to silence you. They are not Communist China. Your freedom of speech is not an issue here.
For those who are willing to give CCP a pass given the above: While CCP does have the right to delete whatever the heck they want, it doesn't mean that they aren't being jerks by doing so. Freedom means freedom to choose poorly, and CCP may be choosing poorly here.
So, having pretended to be wise and intelligent by telling both sides in an argument I know nothing about that they are both wrong, I shall depart!
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Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.23 12:07:00 -
[117]
supported
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.23 12:44:00 -
[118]
+++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++ |
Boris Borison
SDL Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2009.11.23 20:00:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Removing flaming and inappropriate content or editing is fine, but they shouldn't be substituted by waves of deletion. It is just bad moderation and creates unnecessary hostility against CCP.
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Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 04:07:00 -
[120]
Removing swear words etc. is good but outwrite deleting peoples opinions is wrong.
Even if after removing all the personal attacks all that's left is a "this idea sucks" that's still someones opinion and it shouldn't be outrwrite deleted.
Deleting a post that contains only someone opinion saying that it's "not constructive" basically means you don't want our opinions. ------------------------------ Target Painters ***Do NOT Work*** on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps |
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Hilder
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.11.25 12:19:00 -
[121]
a thousand times Yes!
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.25 18:20:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Hel O'Ween Not supported!
If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.
To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.
It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words.
Seriously, guys. Grow up!
Not taking you seriously.
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Bfoster
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 19:23:00 -
[123]
Its almost like the GM's moderate the forum too.. Its that bad! ------------
My Killboard- The Python Cartel |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.25 23:44:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Komi Toran no opinion as I have no idea what is prompting this, but some observations:
For those screaming "censorship": CCP is a private entity, and this forum is their property. Posting here is, therefore, a privilege, not a right
CCP has the right to have no customers also.
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Bel'shamharoth
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Posted - 2009.11.26 06:45:00 -
[125]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not a fig plucker or a fig plucker's son, but I'll pluck figs till the fig plucking's done. |
Erati
Reluctant Warriors
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Posted - 2009.11.27 10:35:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Erati on 27/11/2009 10:35:19
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Cailais
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.11.29 20:20:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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New ones
Koln united
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:21:00 -
[128]
it's a lot bether now..
CCP is not saying ANYTHING if you say somthing bad about changes...
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Big Bit
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:23:00 -
[129]
Time Flux Detected You are going too fast! Wait five minutes and try again. Go back One page | Go back to forums
WTF?
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:58:00 -
[130]
After seeing applebabe go berserk recently deleting all posts that linked to the instapopped Nyx mail, I agree.
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:41:00 -
[131]
while some of the deletions were valid . . . how many times do you want to read 'free abuthur'? It did look like a few babies got thrown out with the bathwater
mike
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:39:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Mrs Trzzbk The moderation of this forum has always been out of control and heavy-handed, and it has never been accountable to anybody.
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Corian Teranos
Critical Mass Inc. Symbiogenesis
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Posted - 2009.12.13 19:08:00 -
[133]
supported though instead of removing censoring alltogether there should be a forum option to turn it on and off.
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C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:22:00 -
[134]
Originally by: ndal This I can not support.
The forum has rules if people donĘt want to follow them then they can post elsewhere. The rules are made clear and if you fail to follow them then your post should be deleted to save anyone else the trouble of having to read it, if you want your point to be heard then post within the rules. If anything I feel the moderators are too lenient in their enforcing of the rules.
This. Flametards are given WAY too much slack as it is. People usually come to these forums ONCE to ask advice or seek help. After they've been jumped all over and made to feel like idiots for asking anything, they usually don't return. When I do find the occasional informative post (/waves to Akita T), I usually just copy/paste to our own forums (giving credit, of course) because its difficult to get folks to come here and wade through the BS. The forums are CCP's, not a god-given right to carry on in game smacking via internet anonymity.
Originally by: lord cyrez
posts worth for *at least* 10+ pages have been deleted. admittedly, quite a bunch of them were just quotes with little additional content - but:
even these "empty quotes" serve a purpose. they carry on valueable arguments to players not reading a xx+ pages thread. most skip to the last page(s) - and there they see the quotes from others, containing (usually) solid points and suggestions.
but..........but nothing. If people wouldn't pyramid quote 10 others, the threads wouldn't GET TO xx pages long. We could all just read the original posts, and not skip to the end. Again, IMHO, the problem lies with the tactics used by posters, not the forum rules.
Not supported, until I see some self control around here. kthxbai.
Brunette By Birth...........Blonde By Nature. ------------------------------------------------ "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell." "No tears, please; it's a waste of good suffering." |
Dante Edmundo
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Posted - 2009.12.22 15:23:00 -
[135]
I also support the idea of having some kind of option to click on or off posts CCP has deemed offensive or perhaps to strong in language.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.12.22 22:39:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Sokratesz After seeing applebabe go berserk recently deleting all posts that linked to the instapopped Nyx mail, I agree.
So a forum moderator removing kill mail links from forums in which killmail links are not allowed, is censorship? I would have called that forum moderation.
I suppose the rest of the censorship you folk are talking about is the moderators removing troll & spam threads from GD? OMG! Call in the National Guard!
Does anyone have links to EVE-Search copies of posts that have been deleted, which don't violate the forum posting guidelines? [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC] |
Nanaho Jin'rah
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Posted - 2009.12.23 15:52:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Honest Smedley I disagree.
The last few devblog threads have been overwhelmingly filled with 'town hell' style self-interested folks exaggerating, making self-righteous demands and frankly, being *******s. I fully support filtering out the ****posting and banning the *******s to make rational debate easier to follow.
This, the mass majority of posts on these forumns are from 12yr olds threatining to not play anymore cause CCP changed a slot on a ship or demand their 20c back cause downtime was extended for an hour. Most of them also happen to be american and wine alot about their rights and free speech.
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Lee Dalton
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.23 15:55:00 -
[138]
I think the best solution is to remove the rule banning the discussion of forum moderation. ;) *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
Johnny Yakuza
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:32:00 -
[139]
Supported. |
Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.24 03:52:00 -
[140]
Not supported.
Most of the removals in question seem to have been done because of rule violations, or fruits thereof. Not to mention the flaming, the whining, and the total lack of restraint or non-constructive behaviour.
Will some perfectly okay posts get deleted in the process when there's a mass removal? Yes. It happens. Those who feel strongly about it and that there posts were unjustly removed should simply post again.
Above all else, it's CCP's forums and they can do whatever they like. People who don't want to follow the rules can move to the unofficial boards and sites that are outside of CCP's purview.
And yes, I have had posts removed in the past, some that made sense and others that didn't. But it's no reason to get in a tizzy about it. Now, when every single negative comment on these boards mysteriously disappears, then you can start worrying. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:24:00 -
[141]
Censorship is necessary but control of censorship is more so.
I've seen far too much lately, ccp always seem unwilling to take criticism or accept that something went wrong, this is nothing new, but ... tinfoilhat on ... it seems like they've now got active word filtering that flashes lights and sounds alarms as soon as something is posted on the forum they don't like and the nerfbat swings down hard.
As many have said before, it puts people off using the forum when they see swathes of moderation and then people complaining about the moderation also get moderated, it's almost comical and looks very unprofessional.
Instead of moderating, the devs need to look at the complaint, and answer as best they can instead of deleting posts.
CCP - only 1 C away from communism the way they're acting.
Grow a set ccp, accept that not everything is peachy with the game, fix the problems and speak to the people who pay your wages.
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Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.12.28 21:46:00 -
[142]
It's threads like these which reinforce the notion that forum moderators are inappropriately overcensoring everything.
Who watches the watchers?
Apparently nobody and that's troubling. Forum moderators should know better. There needs to be oversight. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.28 22:53:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Bagehi on 28/12/2009 22:53:58 There have been mass deletions and locks in threads critical of CCP in the past (waiting to see what happens with this one).
The killmail didn't need to be posted, just some simple math (dd > mom ehp).
But the bigger issue is that despite CSM, CCP has ignored some of the concerns that have been raised - or said something like "too big, can't fix".
While communication between CCP and the players is better, it has a lot of room for improvement. I would be okay with this kind of moderation if CCP would direct people to an official response to an issue being raised when they lock a threadnought:
"We understand your concerns. We have assigned x devs to solve this problem. It is now listed in Known Issues. CCP Nozh will post a Dev Blog by xyz date with what we know about the issue and what we are doing to address it."
Customer Service 101: Even if you don't give a ****, if you sound like you care, customers will give you much more latitude.
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Hot Tubes
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.29 12:54:00 -
[144]
Free **********!
By banning the name of a character (I typed above) instrumental in uncovering the whole nasty BoB related events a while ago it's made ccp reek of a quasi fascist stance on controlling their customers' voices. Unfortunately this still goes on.
When the player base rises en masse against a single topic instead of responding quickly and openly they are more likely to mass delete every post and thread concerning the issue in the hope it will simply go away. It's sometimes pretty scary/depressing seeing it go on.
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NereSky
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.29 13:21:00 -
[145]
Not supported - if it wasnt for the mods the Forums would be chaotic and out of control,
I would support a more open forums however knowing the majority of the forum users it would be abused and misused and therefore would need moderation,
perma ban the forum misusers and maybe it could become a better enviroment
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Sator deHarak
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2009.12.29 16:58:00 -
[146]
Agreed, I'd support this with more, but I currently an unable to for replicating a thread of mine that was deemed permissible 3 month prior.
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Serenity Frye
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.02 01:28:00 -
[147]
'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years' |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.01.02 03:19:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Cyprus Black It's threads like these which reinforce the notion that forum moderators are inappropriately overcensoring everything.
Ah I get it, this is a joke thread and I'm the silly billy trying to get people to provide evidence supporting their claims :\
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Wu Jiaqiu
Res Ipsa Loquitor
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Posted - 2010.01.02 05:23:00 -
[149]
Freedom of Speech support!
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.02 18:29:00 -
[150]
I may not browse these forums enough to see all of this overzealous moderation. Because from my perspective, the moderators only censor things which are not supposed to be posted on the forums. Usually: 1) Discussion on moderation 2) Kill mails and killboard links 3) chatlogs 4) trolls
I see PLENTY of posts out there which are negative about CCP, yet they remain in place. It is my opinion that people could EASILY avoid being moderated by simply not being raving lunatics. Post in a calm and concise manner, don't break the rules, and the mods will be much kinder to you. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
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Poruntubo
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Posted - 2010.01.05 22:12:00 -
[151]
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Syringe
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.05 22:25:00 -
[152]
Supported for everyone except Lexa Hellfury. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
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