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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:33:00 -
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Clothes were in client, made long time ago, they are only making them usable now. Unified inventory is another thing, it's new and I agree, it needs some improvements. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
591
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:38:00 -
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spiders vengance wrote:Its gonna be so great to be able to get new clothes for our toons that dont need them, too bad we wont be able to find them with the unified inventory system that is just getting ignored by CCP now.
you could try to respond on the hundreds threads about it in GD or on the devblogs about it maybe you get better luck there
fly safe and don,t get too irritated about this game pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
209
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:32:00 -
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spiders vengance wrote:Its gonna be so great to be able to get new clothes for our toons that dont need them, too bad we wont be able to find them with the unified inventory system that is just getting ignored by CCP now. In all reality, if you really can't find your stuff after all this time, maybe it's time to make sure the issue isn't between the seat and keyboard.
Or are you actually thinking that hyperbole will actually get someone to listen to you? |
Angst IronShard
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:43:00 -
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Is it because of clothes that the patch will be delayed ? if so remove them... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:50:00 -
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Angst IronShard wrote:Is it because of clothes that the patch will be delayed ? if so remove them... You heard the man. Take of you clothes. You can move faster without them. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2542
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:11:00 -
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Angst IronShard wrote:Is it because of clothes that the patch will be delayed ? if so remove them...
I, too, fully support avatar nudity. I dont know why we can purcha$e clothe$ for Aurum but can't exercise our right to protest by going commando!!
What's the problem, CCP, can't live up to your hype about this being a "cold harsh world??" Nothing is colder or harsher than being NAKED IN SPACE!
We are nude inside our pods, why must we hide behind these crude trappings that mortals must wear? It is an INSULT TO ALL FREE AND INDEPENDENT CAPSULEERS!! END FORCED SLAVERY, LET US BE SEEN NAKED, SOCKETS AND ALL!!
Who can I talk to about making this happen ASAP ??
+1 Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Acot Voth
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:15:00 -
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Good, if this goes well it will give a big boost to WIS which would give a big boost to EVE itself. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
30
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:41:00 -
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This might be of interest for those of you who have yet to do the quick math here.
1 US penny = 1.66 AUR with the 2500 bundle 1 US penny = 240,601 ISK @ 480m PLEX price and 19.95 PLEX price
with these figures 1 AUR = 144,940 ISK which is painful for classic 4500+ AUR items.
So the new items will have a "buy now" price of between 14m and 72m ISK, which is competitive with current apparel on the market although with the existence of free AUR floating around, and better PLEX packages the actual prices might be lower. I also suspect that people wanting to switch up to the new clothes might bring down existing clothes prices.
I believe the color of the clothes matters a bit less than what CCP anticipated since items with cheaper alternatives like Sterling Navy currently has a lower AUR to ISK ratio (which might not change much after the patch) than the unique shoes. Based off this theory any additional dress shirts won't be as popular as a new monocle which might affect the classic monocle's price.
Pretty soon we will see though, and I am excited. |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
286
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:54:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Angst IronShard wrote:Is it because of clothes that the patch will be delayed ? if so remove them... I, too, fully support avatar nudity. I dont know why we can purcha$e clothe$ for Aurum but can't exercise our right to protest by going commando!! What's the problem, CCP, can't live up to your hype about this being a "cold harsh world??" Nothing is colder or harsher than being NAKED IN SPACE! We are nude inside our pods, why must we hide behind these crude trappings that mortals must wear? It is an INSULT TO ALL FREE AND INDEPENDENT CAPSULEERS!! END FORCED SLAVERY, LET US BE SEEN NAKED, SOCKETS AND ALL!! Who can I talk to about making this happen ASAP ?? +1
Quoted For Truth!
Or at least give us a 20 second streak mode in stations that can be used once per day.... And maybe some station security that automatically chases streakers around... maybe give them tazers... |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
142
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:18:00 -
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Damion Rayne wrote:You're an idiot with zero game design experience. DLC, is usually created after the release of the game as a whole. Dawnguard for Skyrim for example, was started when production on the main game halted.
I'm gonna stop trying to reason with a bunch of close minded idiots.
Back in the day when we used to have "expansion packs" it made a whole lot more sense. You could, if you so desired, purchase a reasonable expansion to your game (Dawnguard for Skyrim is the modern successor to this concept, and it is a good thing.) However, these days you can purchase DLC on the same day as a game ships in some cases. This is motivated clearly by greed, and no, greed is not good. Microtransactions in a subscription based MMO is also motivated purely by greed, especially when that subscription based MMO is meant to be a working sandbox and science fiction simulator. The fact that after all these years it's still on a faucet/sink system is bad enough (but understandable.) Throwing in extra content which materializes from thin air and can be purchased for real money into the works is so utterly contrary to the core concept of EVE that it's preposterous to think that it was even seriously considered, let alone actually made it into the game.
Do try to think before you call others idiots. I know it may make you feel good, being a little insecure in your own position, but really it isn't called for. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
23
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:48:00 -
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A lot of this anti-AUR sentiment seems to be glossing over the fact that all these items are purchasable through effort in game. It is in no means reliant on you personally paying real money for it.
You make isk
You buy PLEX - PLEX in itself is a good idea because it basically represents someone paying your subscription fee for you in exchange for you putting work in on their behalf which is good for people who may have more time but less money.
You turn it into AUR
You spend it on clothes.
Or better yet, a lot of clothes are actually purchasable for isk at a cheaper price than if you had followed the steps above. Nobody is being excluded from this content. Yes it favours people with real money and lets hem advance in game for less effort just because they can pay, which I'm not a fan of, but it does allow someone else who puts effort in the game to play for free so it's better than most real money systems out there.
And letGÇÖs face it at least it isn't pay to win.
Support FW uniforms here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=112233 |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
142
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:58:00 -
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Ayame Yoshida wrote:A lot of this anti-AUR sentiment seems to be glossing over the fact that all these items are purchasable through effort in game. It is in no means reliant on you personally paying real money for it.
You make isk
You buy PLEX - PLEX in itself is a good idea because it basically represents someone paying your subscription fee for you in exchange for you putting work in on their behalf which is good for people who may have more time but less money.
You turn it into AUR
You spend it on clothes.
Or better yet, a lot of clothes are actually purchasable for isk at a cheaper price than if you had followed the steps above. Nobody is being excluded from this content. Yes it favours people with real money and lets hem advance in game for less effort just because they can pay, which I'm not a fan of, but it does allow someone else who puts effort in the game to play for free so it's better than most real money systems out there.
And letGÇÖs face it at least it isn't pay to win.
Being able to get these items without having to pay real money is indeed a good thing. However, the fact that they come from real money at all (and can then be sold to gain an in-game advantage in the form of ISK) is the real crux of the problem. Both aspects of this problem are crucial. The first aspect being something coming from nothing (which already happens in a faucet/sink system, only now it's involving real money) and the second aspect being that you can sell these things for in-game currency.
The faucet/sink system would not be a problem in a theme-park game. In a sandbox, however, especially one whose core concept is to be the ultimate science fiction simulator, it is far less than ideal for obvious reasons.
Being able to buy an advantage for real money might be fine for an arcade-style game (I brought more quarters than you which increases my chances of beating you to the point where you can't play anymore while I still have plenty of quarters to spare.) However, it's not fine for a subscription based game, especially one which is not only highly competitive but also one which is suppose to be something of a simulation. The purity and integrity of the simulation is compromised with such a system. As if it wasn't already compromised enough by PLEX, underwater physics, dumb-as-rocks NPCs, etc.
All in all, while I'm really glad that CCP at least made it so that you can get this content entirely within the realm of the game, the fact that you can also get it from outside of the game is incredible (and not the good kind of incredible, either.) Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Christmas OnFIre
Northern Star Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:09:00 -
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All in all, while I'm really glad that CCP at least made it so that you can get this content entirely within the realm of the game, the fact that you can also get it from outside of the game is incredible (and not the good kind of incredible, either.)[/quote]
QFT
I think we can probably draw a line under this statement and call it a day. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
143
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:18:00 -
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Christmas OnFIre wrote:I think we can probably draw a line under this statement and call it a day.
Line drawn. See you tomorrow. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
379
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:02:00 -
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Hopefully a dev blog on multi avatar environments is coming soon.
In addition Give me slay (from the dust514 space on Playstation Home)in my captains quarters. That game is soooooo addictive. This is non-negotiable. I must have it. The little robots must die. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
379
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:08:00 -
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Also it's great to see that the idea that an Avatars appearance should reflect their achievements is actually happening with the FW uniforms.
If player is not in FW will they be able to wear the clothes? I think they shouldn't be able to, at least not without penalty. Perhaps when the other areas of stations finally open up players who try to pass as FW members should be fined).
My next suggestion would be to add clothes to pirate faction LP stores. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
SwissChris1
Battlestars S E D I T I O N
9
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Posted - 2012.06.19 05:19:00 -
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I like this approach much better and FW LP clothing looks hot! Congrats for not being (too) greedy this time |
Amanda Sterling
Amphysvena
4
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:39:00 -
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Add faction clothing and I'll consider spending some "AUR" in your "store". |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
809
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:44:00 -
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Now that we will be able to build up a virtual wardrobe anytime soon, this abbility begs for a couple of ancillary services, namely:
#1, "Show it off", AKA the ability to display full body avatars on the forums to show off clothing choices in until it comes a time that multiplayer WiS is real.
#2, "Put it on, baby", AKA the ability to switch clothes w/o redoing the portrait at all. The perfect tool would be an "avatar refitting window" within which we could drag and drop items between inventory and a mannequin, which is pretty much a standard procedure for RPGs.
This point of not recustomizing avatars for swtiching clothes is relevant because each portrait depicts a specific "frame" in the character animation cycle and so is more or less unique and unrepeatable even if the general pose is recorded. Also, IMO makes sense that switching clothes on our avatars was as easy as switching modules in our ships. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:39:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:Next it will be ship paint, then god knows what else. Pretty soon we'll have to pay several times over, just to play the full version of the game we already pay to play.
**** MT.
Not that there's anything Micro about paying $15 for something that is nothing more than a few 1's and 0's. With the new price scheme, it's 5 USD/EUR for the most expensive of the new items. Even less if you buy a GTC and nothing if you acquire a PLEX ingame. That's where industry's pricing for "Micro transactions" stands.
Still not micro by my definition of the word. Still having to pay extra for something we already pay for. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:42:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:Not that there's anything Micro about paying $15 for something that is nothing more than a few 1's and 0's. Then I guess the designers, artists, 3D modellers, animators, and who knows what else don't expect to be paid, since their work is "nothing more than a few 1's and 0's"? What about the programmers, game designers, testers, bug hunters - EVE's game code is "nothing more than a few 1's and 0's" too! Shouldn't we feel entitled to have all these people spend their time for our entertainment for absolutely free, since their product is not represented by a physical object you can hit an idiot in the head with?
Yes, because once they've made it, it can only be sold once!
How do you think their development was paid for in the first place? Perhaps it's that subscription fee we pay for every month?
UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
239
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:34:00 -
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Ayame Yoshida wrote:A lot of this anti-AUR sentiment seems to be glossing over the fact that all these items are purchasable through effort in game. It is in no means reliant on you personally paying real money for it. It is statements like this that always bemuse me. Tomorrow I want you to tell your employer that you no longer wish to be paid anything at all for the hours you work because your time apparently isn't worth anything to you.
The NeX Store in itself is anti-sandbox by design and should have been built into the in-game mechanics as it was originally touted to be pre Incarna.
Personally I would much prefer Aurum be used to purchase things like the EON magazine and EVE Store items rather than removing potential additional content from the sandbox. I could easily see CCP selling a lot more of those items than they do currently if they were made available to purchase with Aurum.
Let's see, 100 graphics cards at 20 Plex each sold out in 64 seconds. Yep I think there is a market for selling out of game items rather than diluting the sandbox.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Salvia Olima
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
51
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:37:00 -
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FYI pockets are anachronistic even today. Do these "fashion designers" have a boss there? Who can accept these concepts? Terrible designs without any vision IMHO. |
Liberty Belle
MBT Interstellar
1
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:35:00 -
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thx CCP. like loot drop idea too. |
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:22:00 -
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Well done, this is very welcome. I love the idea of the loot, which is innovative and also makes sense.
I like the fact that prices are coming down, and this is the part that I like the most.
You could still have uber expensive items but at least have something for the middle or poorer classes...
The things that are still missing and which I am very eager to see one day are custom skins for my ships... I want to dress up my retriever like a rock and name it 'Veldspar' or maybe some other ore.
Fly unsafe... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
595
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:05:00 -
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Ubat Batuk wrote:Well done, this is very welcome. I love the idea of the loot, which is innovative and also makes sense.
I like the fact that prices are coming down, and this is the part that I like the most.
You could still have uber expensive items but at least have something for the middle or poorer classes...
The things that are still missing and which I am very eager to see one day are custom skins for my ships... I want to dress up my retriever like a rock and name it 'Veldspar' or maybe some other ore.
Fly unsafe...
Should there be skins for those different classes ,you are talking about?
be safe in flying unsafe Greetings Old but pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Candente
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
24
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:36:00 -
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Looking at the table makes me . Since when "Nexon" has become a worldwide currency??? |
Gyllian Gael
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:05:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with expanding the WIS experience. I'm one of those who was actually looking forward for more to do outside of our ships. I still hope they give us most of what was planned rather than having my character quarantined in her quarters like she's a carrier for some alien plague.
EVE just mucked it up by opening the NEX with a paltry selection, charging outrages prices for all of the items, while simultaneously talking about nickle and diming the community in a pay-to-win model for the in-ship game and declaring virtual clothing should command the price of Guess jeans. This unfortunately tied the two together in many players' minds. EVE then reinforced that impression by failing to reduce prices or add inexpensive items. If they wanted a few premium items (which I think is silly), they should have released the cheap stuff first so that the player base understands that they were meant to be the exception and not the rule.
The WIS stuff would have been enjoyable except to a very vocal core had EVE not fantasized about mucking with the established game in fundamental, cynical ways at the same time. It's sad that the devs almost have to ask permission to release assets and to make them available the way they should have been from the beginning.
No one complains about paying for hats and customizables in TF2 and Portal 2 because their devs didn't charge their players 70 bucks for them while threatening to sell double damage ammo for the Heavy.
All that said, this is a very welcome addition. Now I just wish I could actually see other characters strutting about in their fancy new digs in station. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:47:00 -
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Gyllian Gael wrote: No one complains about paying for hats and customizables in TF2 and Portal 2 because their devs didn't charge their players 70 bucks for them while threatening to sell double damage ammo for the Heavy.
Jesus christ, CCP never said this, never even hinted at it. If you're referring to that bullshit internal memo that was clearly edited and had all of the disclaimers and other entire pages removed from it, then you've bought into a bunch of trolling propaganda. CCP was never going to, and had never planned to, introduce a pay to win scenario.
In fact, they said multiple times, over and over again, clearly, in bold print, that their intent is the opposite of this. Why people fail to understand this point, is beyond me.
For ****'s sake it was almost a year ago already, let it go. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
596
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:54:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Gyllian Gael wrote: No one complains about paying for hats and customizables in TF2 and Portal 2 because their devs didn't charge their players 70 bucks for them while threatening to sell double damage ammo for the Heavy.
Jesus christ, CCP never said this, never even hinted at it. If you're referring to that bullshit internal memo that was clearly edited and had all of the disclaimers and other entire pages removed from it, then you've bought into a bunch of trolling propaganda. CCP was never going to, and had never planned to, introduce a pay to win scenario. In fact, they said multiple times, over and over again, clearly, in bold print, that their intent is the opposite of this. Why people fail to understand this point, is beyond me. For ****'s sake it was almost a year ago already, let it go.
CCP can,t forget also .every time some poor little kid is screaming around these forums they stop blogs already written. There is a very small team called Team Avatar ,they made a blog about Avatar related stuff and hopefully some more WIS related stuff. But bc of little raging kids the blog never showed up
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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