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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah We need to look at the big picture and not our personal interests. I agree that the missions in their old form are not worth it, hence I lobbied strongly for reducing the standing penalty and rake up the rewards. But CCP went completely to the other extreme, and removed all penalties alltogether which was extremely silly and stupid, as every game designer should have been able to predict what would happen next.
I have a feeling CCP is perfectly aware of the fw mission spamming as it was planned that way to get people interested in running the missions and moast importantly making sure there are plenty of the new navy hulls for sale on D-day. Almost every fw mission runner I know has at the very least several million lp saved so even if ccp does nerf dial a mission then all it will do is drive the worth of fw lp to astronomical levels. Also rumour has it that the amarr and gallente guys are now revising launch prices for navy geddons and domis to break 2 bil if ccp does nerf fw missions. Either way I'm going to make a crap ton of isk off it regardless of what ccp does with the missions and still be swimming in navy ships to use for normal fw pew pew. However personally I don't think they are going to nerf them past stealth changes like changing the actual missions themselves to stop afterburning bombers from farming level 4 fw missions for 25k+ lp a pop which to me is the only real 'exploit' as a flying a bomber is basically risk free unless you desync at a gate camp and they pop you.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris but seeing a ton of bombers "risk" lowsec running level 4's solo is nuts. Especially since only some factions can run them that way, and others cannot.
Which factions level 4 can't be run solo in an ab bomber with medium extender and range rigs?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: chatgris but seeing a ton of bombers "risk" lowsec running level 4's solo is nuts. Especially since only some factions can run them that way, and others cannot.
Which factions level 4 can't be run solo in an ab bomber with medium extender and range rigs?
Amarr. When minmaturds paint your ass you can die in less than a few seconds.
Lol no.. Read my virtual eft lips and bask in the glory and awesomeness that is fw lp whooring for navy ships in a bomber. Manage your transversal and you will barely take any damage. Screw up your transversal and die horribly.
[Hound, Amarr LP Whoorage] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
1MN Afterburner II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Medium Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Last time i tried this i got instapopped (before i even launched AB that is). Think it was 'cost of hubris'.
Anyways i dont care, I use ceptor to draw aggro. Safer and easier method plus i can always cloak bomber when some guests come into mission room.
Oh hahaha yeah that is the one mission that can instapop even a well flown bomber. Don't take that mission if your solo.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 20:43:00 -
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Wait wat? only 11k lp? Is this a level 3 mission as it normaly offers me around 25~30k lp for L4 cost of hubris? Or do you not have the relevant social skills trained up?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 21:37:00 -
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Hrmm well it has been about a month since I last ran any fw missions(8 digit lp amounts do that to you:P) so I guess the autobalance could have dropped the amount of lp to that low a level. However I was basing my lp figures off the q20 agent amarr has so maybe that might have something to do with it. I'd go run some now but the alt I was using joined a corp not currently in fw.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/11/2009 23:09:55
Originally by: Zeba Wait wat? only 11k lp? Is this a level 3 mission as it normaly offers me around 25~30k lp for L4 cost of hubris? Or do you not have the relevant social skills trained up?
As the guy above said. Thats maxskilled (5/5) lv4 cost of hubris with decent agent (lvl4 q-9, 0.2 sec system - its 2nd best amarr agent but its 5-7 jumps closer to mission area than the best one, so obvious choice).
Ah well the q9 explains it as the q20 agent makes you loads moar lp per mission with top social skills. And to comment on the lp amount you edited out yeah thats running missions on and off for around a month and not a 55 hour grind though I did do a 16 hour marathon once just to see how much I could make. I Will Not Do That Again.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/11/2009 23:21:23 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/11/2009 23:17:04 Actually i suck at reading map and i am going to change agent. FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Goddamnit i feel like total idiot right now ;p Coz for all missions ive ran i could have had 2x more LP by now :X Well at least i dont suck as much at trading :X
Glad to be of service.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.25 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Vera Thiam As the 'Decline' penelty is now in force on Sisi - you can only reject 1 mission every 4 hours otherwise you get a -1 standing hit to the corp, one would imagine this is now going to be introduced into Dominion? Can CCP confirm or deny???
How is this going to effect both the running/farming of the missions and/or the price of the Tier 1 Navy ships upon release??
People with +2m LP (and I know a lot of player have much more) are going to have alot of Navy ships to sell, will the price be bumped to compensate for the effective end of selective mission running or will it be a fire fight to sell sell sell to minamise loss time isk/ph of month of grinding.
Discuss?
So i guess FW LP for ISK ratio just skyrocketed, heh? Think it will take circa 3 months to dump all farmed ships on the marked but after than we will see another bottleneck :)
Dial a mission got the nerfbat?
woo hoo! \o/
Now my lp reserve will be worth zillions instead of billions.
You da man CCP!
Also even if they do nerf dial a mission with top social skills and a good agent you will still be able to pull in a decent amount of lp from a solo bomber point of view. At least enough per day to get a faction ship of your choice which is still pretty damn good considering how long it takes to grind lp from an empire agent especially with the increased lp price of the empire stores.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.25 22:30:00 -
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Wait, isn't everyone and his bomber alt farming fw lp for the navy ships basically doing it based on market speculation of future trades?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.25 22:56:00 -
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Oh you must mean all those hounds, mods and faction ammo I dumped on the market near amarr fw space.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.26 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan You just shouldn't be able to solo it while cloaked
Its kinda hard to target and kill the mission objective whilst cloaked.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.26 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 26/11/2009 21:50:32
Originally by: Tarron Sarek Basically it comes down to feeling stupid for playing the game for fun and in a way it was probably meant to be played, instead of investing the same time trying to figure out ways to break and exploit it.
Ummm no one is exploiting anything as its all condoned by ccp and anyone at all in the entire eve universe can join in on the lp wagon if they have a 0.5 standing to the faction of their choice. Now what *might* be changed is the dial a mission mechanic as it seems to have achieved its goal of getting people interested in running fw missions and making sure there will be plenty of the new navy hulls for people to buy at whatever price the market demands on launch. So as long as the only thing ccp changes about fw missions is dial a mission then players will still be able to run them in whatever fashion they run them now just at a reduced lp rate because you won't be able to cherry pick for distance and rewards.
As it stands a competant player can easily pull in 100k+lp in an hour of play which beats down normal level 5 mission rewards with a spike studded titanium bat due to the rather large difference in lp store prices so did you guys really think it would last forever? Only a few days left so hurry and get those last few mil of lp stored away before ccp closes down the gravy train.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.28 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Notes Declining Factional Warfare missions more often than once every 4 hours will now (once again) incur a standings loss, as with all other type of agent missions.
Better get those last few mil of dial a mission lp whilst you can.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.29 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Naye Nathaniel Haha really nice :] <3 CCP u screwed faction warfare missions :) Now i'ts better to farm lv 4 missions in Motsu for twice more LP needed than fly 15j in one way to kill about 20 NPCs and being targeted by WF in your "cheap" ship ;) But hey its cool also, after a week, when everyone will spend theirs LP, the faction Navy Scorp would be worth like 2b and CNR for 1b or even 2b also xD CCP u made my day!
The only thing getting nerfed is dial a mission and nothing else. You will still be able to make enough lp in a single playing session to get several cruisers and frigates or even a bs or two if you put in a few hours in a row. But what I'm curious about is if after your mission is spawned and you then get camped out of it can you then quit the mission without a standing hit? Important question really.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.29 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Naye Nathaniel I think not, cause thats gonna be the same like now, means u can accept and decline mission and pick new one ;)
Well considering you would have to fly all the way to the system the mission is in to spawn the mission so you could then refuse it to try to replicate the old cherry pick system it would not do you any good as you would still have to fly all the way back to the agent just for a remote chance at a closer mission.
Originally by: Naye Nathaniel until ull get new one, and believe me, now its a 8-10 hours to get a faction BS for yourself, thats why CCP made a Navy SCorp for 150k of LPS + chip, because no one would "farm" or even "earn" LPs from FW missions. Would u fly 15 jumps for a crapy mission for 8k LP [lv 4] and waste about hour to get a 2 mln reward for it? I doubt it.
Nothing is changing with fw missions so you will still be able to earn a faction bs or a small handfull of frigates and cruisers in just a few missions even with a few low earners thrown into the mix. Also you are only getting 8k lp and 2 mil rewards for a fw level 4 mission? Do you have any social skills trained at all or are you using an agent with negative quality? You should be getting at least 2~3x that amount per mission.
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