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Mei Khlolov
Bane INC.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 06:05:00 -
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Is it viable? I like the pilgrim, but the slow align time bothers me. Maybe 2 cap boosters would help the cap if needed.
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Berendas
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.25 06:16:00 -
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Not viable, cap is bad enough with one repper, if you dual inject it then you have to sacrifice a TD that helps keep you alive or a webber that keeps you close to your target.
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RiotRick
Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:09:00 -
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Dependon how you fit it. If you use 2 x nos / 1 x neut you can sustain it just fine.
Something in the lines of this will do it.
[Pilgrim, Dual Rep] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
But then again I like a 2-3 x neut setup better ;) -- The future is black.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: RiotRick Dependon how you fit it. If you use 2 x nos / 1 x neut you can sustain it just fine.
Something in the lines of this will do it.
[Pilgrim, Dual Rep] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
But then again I like a 2-3 x neut setup better ;)
People need to realize the Pilgrim does not function with Nos. You're aiming to completely dry the target out which means you will never be able to drain any cap from them with the Nos change. Unless you're fighting multiple targets it's just not viable - the Curse does a far better job as you can keep one target neuted while draining cap from a secondary target all the while sustaining your range advantage. This is why 2 Med Neut / 1 Med Nos works extremely well on the Curse and is the standard build for most good pilots.
On topic, dual rep Pilgrim is silly. If you want to do it you should use an AB fit of some sort with the standard 2 Med Neut / 1 Small Neut setup (and obviously not use it in 0.0). _________________________
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Aralieus
Amarr Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:47:00 -
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I highly suggest you dont, you will die in a blaze of utter failure Pilgrim is already cap hungry just with the standard fit of 1 T2 MAR. Two will not only cap you out and leave you in a very vulnerable position (which you dont want to be in btw) but you will have absolutely no buffer to soak up initial damage. Here, check this fit out. Its by far the best I have come up with and it works with Recon 4. I have fought some dual MAR set-ups and it seems like I always kill them before they even get 2 cycles in.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Glassback on 25/11/2009 08:53:35 Linkage
This is the setup I use. Use it to kill solo ratters/miners etc. You don't need the tracking disruptors as either they are missle ships or you are orbiting at very close range.
The rigs are essential as they increase your cap and decrease the cap use on the neuts thus mening you use less cap charges and can stay in the field longer.
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Pac SubCom
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.25 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Suas
People need to realize the Pilgrim does not function with Nos. You're aiming to completely dry the target out which means you will never be able to drain any cap from them with the Nos change. Unless you're fighting multiple targets it's just not viable - the Curse does a far better job as you can keep one target neuted while draining cap from a secondary target all the while sustaining your range advantage. This is why 2 Med Neut / 1 Med Nos works extremely well on the Curse and is the standard build for most good pilots.
On topic, dual rep Pilgrim is silly. If you want to do it you should use an AB fit of some sort with the standard 2 Med Neut / 1 Small Neut setup (and obviously not use it in 0.0).
Completely draining the target is not always necessary. Your own reppers work as long as he has cap, and 2 TDs are enough to neutralize a turret ship anyway.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback Edited by: Glassback on 25/11/2009 08:53:35 Linkage
This is the setup I use. Use it to kill solo ratters/miners etc. You don't need the tracking disruptors as either they are missle ships or you are orbiting at very close range.
The rigs are essential as they increase your cap and decrease the cap use on the neuts thus mening you use less cap charges and can stay in the field longer.
What happened to your mids?
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Glassback Edited by: Glassback on 25/11/2009 08:53:35 Linkage
This is the setup I use. Use it to kill solo ratters/miners etc. You don't need the tracking disruptors as either they are missle ships or you are orbiting at very close range.
The rigs are essential as they increase your cap and decrease the cap use on the neuts thus mening you use less cap charges and can stay in the field longer.
What happened to your mids?
Nothing, didnt fit anything else due to running out of CPU.
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Ralavina
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Posted - 2009.11.25 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Khlolov Is it viable? I like the pilgrim, but the slow align time bothers me. Maybe 2 cap boosters would help the cap if needed.
No - you'll cap out in seconds. Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p |
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.25 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Glassback Edited by: Glassback on 25/11/2009 08:53:35 Linkage
This is the setup I use. Use it to kill solo ratters/miners etc. You don't need the tracking disruptors as either they are missle ships or you are orbiting at very close range.
The rigs are essential as they increase your cap and decrease the cap use on the neuts thus mening you use less cap charges and can stay in the field longer.
What happened to your mids?
Nothing, didnt fit anything else due to running out of CPU.
Oh...wow.
Seriously.
Wow.
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Mei Khlolov
Bane INC.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 17:03:00 -
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I think if you know you're going to be fighting a large passive tank like a drake, then dual nos and dual rep is viable, but the cap issue is too great anywhere else.
That one BC link fit has only 1 med neut, is there a reason you only fit one? Other than that it looks like the fit I have.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.11.25 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Glassback Edited by: Glassback on 25/11/2009 08:53:35 Linkage
This is the setup I use. Use it to kill solo ratters/miners etc. You don't need the tracking disruptors as either they are missle ships or you are orbiting at very close range.
The rigs are essential as they increase your cap and decrease the cap use on the neuts thus mening you use less cap charges and can stay in the field longer.
What happened to your mids?
Nothing, didnt fit anything else due to running out of CPU.
I thought you'd just deleted 'Balmer' TD's cause many killboards don't accept them, but this answer just spans the crown.
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Aralieus
Amarr Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.11.25 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Khlolov I think if you know you're going to be fighting a large passive tank like a drake, then dual nos and dual rep is viable, but the cap issue is too great anywhere else.
That one BC link fit has only 1 med neut, is there a reason you only fit one? Other than that it looks like the fit I have.
There are a couple reasons why there is only one med neut, the main being I only have Recon 4 and cant fit a 1600 RT plate (which imo you need) with 2 Med neut, some others are its alot more cap friendly for you and it works quite well if you neut in a strategic manner instead of just leaving them running all the time. Turn on all 3 at the start of the fight then when you see hardners going off and speed reducing(if there ab fitted) and reps not coming on just leave the two small ones on to keep them down and fight cap injections. I dont want to go into the math of it all but if you wish to go for it. Rate the fit too if you like it, lots of useful info there
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Mei Khlolov
Bane INC.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 23:38:00 -
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If you faction pimp it a little, and toss a PG4 on the thing, you can manage it. Pricy though.
[Pilgrim, Lowsec Version] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gallente Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Domination Medium Armor Repairer
Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Afterburner II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Again, needs a 3% PG implant, but fits with Recon 4. If you have the isk theoretically it should work well, but I actually haven't tested it in combat yet, aside from neuting a guardian in a small gang fight. 2 Meds might be overkill for anything below battleships though.
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Aralieus
Amarr Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.11.25 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Khlolov If you faction pimp it a little, and toss a PG4 on the thing, you can manage it. Pricy though.
[Pilgrim, Lowsec Version] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gallente Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Domination Medium Armor Repairer
Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Afterburner II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Again, needs a 3% PG implant, but fits with Recon 4. If you have the isk theoretically it should work well, but I actually haven't tested it in combat yet, aside from neuting a guardian in a small gang fight. 2 Meds might be overkill for anything below battleships though.
I like it , alot. However this wont work with me as I dont have the isk to replace it if I get my face melted (which happens more often than not trying to solo) Another thing is I have +5% armor repair amount, rate and +3% Armor HP implants so no go for +3% PG Implant but very very viable for someone thats has the ISK and implants slots that are free. Hmm, as a matter of fact I have a friend who might actually go with this
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