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Daiony
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:39:00 -
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I applaud you. I like your thinking. I take you by your words. EVE IS NOT FAIR. Now prove to us that you mean it:
- Un-nerf supercaps. - don't overnerf the ally dec systems, let the bullied bully back - let slip the dogs of war
Or do you mean by "Eve isn't fair" that it is not fair if you are not in a large, rich 0.0 alliance? If so, i beg you pardon, sir.
best regards
PS.: trillions of isk? really? |
QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
9
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:45:00 -
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Director Soundwaffe, enuf said.... |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:45:00 -
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Daiony wrote:I applaud you. I like your thinking. I take you by your words. EVE IS NOT FAIR. Now prove to us that you mean it:
- Un-nerf supercaps. - don't overnerf the ally dec systems, let the bullied bully back - let slip the dogs of war
Or do you mean by "Eve isn't fair" that it is not fair if you are not in a large, rich 0.0 alliance? If so, i beg you pardon, sir.
best regards
PS.: trillions of isk? really?
You know.... It has to be unfair the rigth way.....
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:53:00 -
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What exactly are we whining about today? |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.16 09:54:00 -
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Considering how often its being used out of context on the forums, I'd say CCP Soundwave is going to be regretting that quote for months. -.- |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:02:00 -
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Daiony wrote:I applaud you. I like your thinking. I take you by your words. EVE IS NOT FAIR. Now prove to us that you mean it:
- Un-nerf supercaps. - don't overnerf the ally dec systems, let the bullied bully back - let slip the dogs of war
Or do you mean by "Eve isn't fair" that it is not fair if you are not in a large, rich 0.0 alliance? If so, i beg you pardon, sir.
best regards
PS.: trillions of isk? really?
I know you think most of that will hurt big alliances, but most of it will just make them literally invincible.
Huge corps were the loudest voice in nerfing supercaps, and not because they were scared of them. Guess which corps have dozens of them? They were an instant win button, and made the game less fun even for those with the advantage.
Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
414
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:05:00 -
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Daiony wrote:I applaud you. I like your thinking. I take you by your words. EVE IS NOT FAIR. Now prove to us that you mean it:
- Un-nerf supercaps.
[...]
PS.: trillions of isk? really?
There already exists a ca. 130-page threadnaught for this particular flavour of carebear whinging, O blatant nullbear forum-alt.
Perhaps you should go necro that, instead of turning GD into even more of a toilet than it already is? In irae, veritas. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1549
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:06:00 -
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It's quite astonishing how bigger=better is unfair and hence nerfed into oblivion, whereas bigger numbers are not unfair as long as they're all in one alliance.
If there is a bigger number of allies however, that would be fair, but Eve is supposed to be unfair, so it needs to be nerfed.
Sounds absolutely consistent and logical.
I'm really wondering what CCPs obsession with getting people into super-alliances is... You know... morons. |
Daiony
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:08:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Perhaps you should go necro that, instead of turning GD into even more of a toilet than it already is?
A toilet is a toilet is a toilet, my dear friend and fellow capsuleer. |
Sahjahn
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:44:00 -
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Soundwave, once a goon always a goon.
Soundwave is far worse than T20, T20 only handed out a couple of BPOs, soundwave is systamatically changing the game to favour is old (and let's be real probably current) alliance.
The ally wardec system changes were fine, and didn't need pissing about with.
Can't we stick him back behind the door? please |
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Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
635
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Posted - 2012.06.16 10:58:00 -
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Fainess, not too bothered about. All shades of grey really. Has to be some instability for dynamics to occur. Shame these arent player created however, not forced by mechanics? Anyone remember the sandbox philosophy? Only seems to come out as an argument when the sand isnt where its supposed to be it seems.
CCP being deliberatley prescriptive about the arrangements of how you are supposed to play the game and being mutually exclusive to a potentially significant proportion of their subscribers just doesn't seem commercially sensible to me. Hence perhaps why EVE subscriptions have pretty much held static for a time. DUST I suppose being the possible future rejuvinator CCP are banking on?
When you think that CCP can develop systems that can be more accomodating to more than one area of interests why are then only certain interests focussed on. The answer we tend to get is "priorities" and "manpower", lots of loose deadlines and no real promises on the direction of where things are actually going.
The only good thing you can take from that is that at least CCP are reactive to events for good or bad reasons to yourself rather than having completley closed ears to gaming development which could be criticisms leveled at other games developers.
Sometimes the failure with CCP and the CSM is that the holistical thinking isnt that important to them and we need discrete patterns of behaviour that are controllable to have a direction to the game. For good or bad as I can see both sides it seems to be an adopted philosophy.
Yet with the symbiosis of interests of EVE really you would expect there to be an encoragemet of multiple play styles that allow for growth in several areas and can feed and interact off each other. This would mean more accomodated interests, more subscribers and more supported gameplay styles.
Wether its cost cutting? Theme based? Political accomodation as a genuine gaming influence? To provide extra drama to the product? Or maybe it is just poorly designed business models working to effect these things, Or it might be that the EVE animal is getting more complicated to simply understand?, I'm really unsure. But I do see CCP sometimes simply shooting themselves in the foot with biased decisions and then pretending to be one thing or the other in the promoted material, with U turns and suprises left, right and centre.
At the end of the day however, CCP have to make a decision based on what they feel is in the best interests of the game and their pocket I guess as they are a buisness. As such triage to delaying/ excluding various interests has to be practiced by them to make any progress in development.
All the changing rhetoric from one minute to the next however is simply just subversive PR rhetoric to allow caveats to what they do. Managing expectations spoils the suprise maybe? ;) Have to say however the blog options and improvements in this area do go along way to ensure opinion is being sought. But then not everyone uses their voice here either, but that can't really be a problem CCP created, thats simply player apathy.
Your pretty much then left with your wallet being the deciding factor as to wether you agree with the direction CCP want to take things. But if they do push things in one direction or another you don't have to follow. Numerous calls to "if you dont like things then leave" or "HTFU". QED: If the game isnt for you, dont play seems to be the growing message and maybe, just maybe CCP are also tired of managing all the "politics" and meta influences griping and knipping at them left right and centre. So they simply decided to choose one side over the other to at least get a minutes silence to think? I guess questions you have to ask is which side you are on? Large alliances might be the easy choice as its keeps a large number of people happy in principle.
Life isn't fair, games need focus to drive them along. Evolution of interests will occour from time to time. Love it or hate it you wont be able to stop it, so unfair to call it out on one developer who may be practicing a themed way to go with EVE. Also you do have to remmber that the EULA actually says they can do this. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:01:00 -
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Oh look, a coward hiding behind an alt. Now THAT'S an opinion worth to consider ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:04:00 -
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Sahjahn wrote:Soundwave, once a goon always a goon.
Soundwave is far worse than T20, T20 only handed out a couple of BPOs, soundwave is systamatically changing the game to favour is old (and let's be real probably current) alliance.
The ally wardec system changes were fine, and didn't need pissing about with.
Can't we stick him back behind the door? please
Again, I don't see how you come to this conclusion. Supercaps were an instant win button, and goonswarm has dozens. Unnerfed supercaps means goons can never lose.
Go look in the Tech discussion thread and see which corps are actively advocating and theorizing ways to nerf tech and spread the wealth around to all alliances, nullsec and highsec included.
Stop ignoring what I'm saying and really apply some thought to what you're saying. It makes no sense at all. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
191
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:08:00 -
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Have these people that accuse CCP Soundwave of risking his income and career for an internet spaceship guild ever had jobs |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:09:00 -
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supercaps were stupidly broken in their previous state Follow me on twitter |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:13:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:supercaps were stupidly broken in their previous state
Can you imagine the whining if CCP actually took up the challenge of people whining to unnerf supercaps? The forums would collapse in on themselves.
I guess they think we can't afford hundreds of them, and that we'll be crushed by all the highsec corps holding supercaps. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
78
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:19:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:What exactly are we whining about today?
Them Goons, who else. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:22:00 -
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i heard a rumor hilmar was remedial i have no evidence to support this but i like making baseless claims because im mad with unwarranted rage and i want to draw attention to myself
death to all super caps, death to all capital letters Follow me on twitter |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:24:00 -
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Daiony wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Perhaps you should go necro that, instead of turning GD into even more of a toilet than it already is?
A toilet is a toilet is a toilet, my dear friend and fellow capsuleer. I will be your toilet slave.... |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:31:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Big long post... Sounds good...but I wanna hear more about toilets !!! |
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Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.06.16 11:32:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Have these people that accuse CCP Soundwave of risking his income and career for an internet spaceship guild ever had jobs
Yeah, no dev would ever do something like that. Unheard of and unthinkable! |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:01:00 -
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Ghost Xray wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Have these people that accuse CCP Soundwave of risking his income and career for an internet spaceship guild ever had jobs Yeah, no dev would ever do something like that. Unheard of and unthinkable!
Sorry. That's not how burdens of proof work. You actually have to prove something, not just point to a single past (unrelated) incident and claim that the one proves the other. You have hard proof of what you accuse them of right? No? welp |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
194
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:07:00 -
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Ghost Xray wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Have these people that accuse CCP Soundwave of risking his income and career for an internet spaceship guild ever had jobs Yeah, no dev would ever do something like that. Unheard of and unthinkable!
Saying "it's happened before" does not indicate it is happening now or will ever happen again. T20 gave a couple of blueprints to an alliance. Some idiots are now accusing a game designer of changing entire game mechanics specifically to provide nebulous advantages to an alliance that doesn't need them. I mean damn, if that was what he was doing it'd be so incredibly obvious to everyone else at CCP he'd be out of a job already.
T20 suffered a supreme lapse in judgement. That's not the same as manipulating several teams of people to orchestrate the imaginary domination of a galaxy far, far away, all while hiding it from your boss.
There's also the bit where the number of people in the world who'd risk their careers for an advantage in a fantasy world is probably pretty small.
Then there's the bit where if a guy did something in the past and lost his job it only decreases the likelihood of someone else trying to pull similar crap today. |
seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
194
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:09:00 -
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**** it, while we're at it bring back the AoE doomsday for lack of fairness |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
194
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:10:00 -
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although i can imagine sreegs sneaking into ccp hq in a catsuit in the dead of night |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
83
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:12:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:although i can imagine sreegs sneaking into ccp hq in a catsuit in the dead of night
hahaha
holy **** i just pooped from laughing
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
83
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:15:00 -
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Hey Raiden forum alts, you`re never getting blap titans back.
Now go back to not playing a game you refuse to enjoy unless you`re being fed a steady stream of ships in front of your invincible own machines.
Umad, bros. Usad, mros.
WOLOLOLOLOLOL |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
499
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:22:00 -
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Hey, crybabbies, they're watching what you do and not what you say.
Instead of tearspamming with all your alts how about you go shoot a monument so we can see how many of you there really are, or just unsub and see if you can make a dent in the near-record subscription numbers Eve is currently enjoying. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:23:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Have these people that accuse CCP Soundwave of risking his income and career for an internet spaceship guild ever had jobs Yeah, no dev would ever do something like that. Unheard of and unthinkable! Sorry. That's not how burdens of proof work. You actually have to prove something, not just point to a single past (unrelated) incident and claim that the one proves the other. You have hard proof of what you accuse them of right? No? welp
I never said anyone was favoring anything/anyone. I'm just reminding Dave here the exact thing he's suggesting wouldn't happen because "it's a real life job we're talking about", did in fact happen before; thus it's in the realm of possibilities. |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
93
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Posted - 2012.06.16 12:26:00 -
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You nuts jobs throwing out accusations randomly trying to ruin the company and peoples careers need to be kick/banned from the forums and game in my opinion.
If you can prove a single thing you say then it would be fair enough but all you do is sling random **** at the wall hoping it will stick. |
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