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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr Ordo Peregrinus
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:21:00 -
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Blegh... am I the only one who is getting really tired of these petty arguments?
Pilot Jamira was flying in the middle of a warzone and refused to state to Merdaneth who's side he was on. That alone eliminates any form of pity I might have had on Jamira's part. If you don't show your colours in the middle of a war, you will get shot at! Shock and horror, who would have thought that? And that is assuming he really were a neutral.
But that isn't even the whole story. Merdaneth recognised pilot Jamira, and already knew that he flew with the Star Fraction. The same Star Fraction he is in a constant state of war with. He provided volumes of overwhelming evidence that destroys any illusion of Jamira's "neutrility". And all of this happening in one of the most violent warzones in the cluster. Are we seriously supposed to shed a single tear over the loss of Jamira's ship?
And then there is yet another childish multi-page yes and no game with the Star Fraction. -----
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop Well assuming its released so you can see it you'll note an amusing error on my part. The report was actually compiled several days ago and I signed it "Vice-Admiral Archbishop". Of course a couple of days ago I became "Admiral Archbishop". A fact several PIE pilots pointed out to me when they received the final report today. An amusing oversight on my part but one that quite clearly refutes your latest attempt at propoganda.
If thats your standard of factual "evidence" its no wonder you find it so easy to overlook Garst Tyrell's piratical misadventures
Seriously. "I made an error a couple of days ago that I wrote into a report (I didn't really write the whole thing on the back of beermat in 30mins because Jade accused me of not writing anything)"
Listen to yourself.
Its laughable.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:26:00 -
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Well the ego of Jade Constaintine is well known... I suppose if she wants to take credit for our investigation and report thats fine. She is obsessed with PIE after all. As I said Jade I suggest getting some professional mental health treatment.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Well the ego of Jade Constaintine is well known... I suppose if she wants to take credit for our investigation and report thats fine. She is obsessed with PIE after all.
There are so many IGS threads authored by PIE in recent days on this forum its difficult not to become fascinated by the ins and outs of your corporation. Merdaneth alone has managed near half a dozen threads. I think many are waiting with interest at your Garst Tyrell shortlist-or-not-to-shortlist quandry and since you are the entity posting the most threads you can hardly accuse people following them of being "obssessed". If you want a quiet life then you should try being quiet.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.29 23:47:00 -
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Obviously you are obsessed and need help. I encourage your corpmates to stage an intervention. Your fixation on PIE and your repeated bizarre posts in multiple threads indicates you are truly mentally ill.
Because it would be cruel to continue to discuss matters with you while you're in this fragile condition I will merely retire from the conversation encouraging others to read the evidence and judge accordingly.
With rest and therapy I'm sure you can recover from your PIE obsession.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.30 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Vindictus Blegh... am I the only one who is getting really tired of these petty arguments?
No. I entered this topic taking it at face value, a confession for an act of piracy or well, un-just violence at least. Yet before I'd even come to the end of the original post it was clear there is no remorse just excuse after excuse. Now it is just full of accusations and jeers.
Originally by: Lucius Vindictus
Pilot Jamira was flying in the middle of a warzone and refused to state to Merdaneth who's side he was on. That alone eliminates any form of pity I might have had on Jamira's part. If you don't show your colours in the middle of a war, you will get shot at! Shock and horror, who would have thought that? And that is assuming he really were a neutral.
I agree, space is by no means a safe place even outside the war zone. However Mr. Ubar-Sarum claims to adhere to the NRDS philosophy (as we in the Star Fraction do). This thread clearly shows they are not NRDS whenever SF are near by, and who knows how many other hidden clauses PIE have to shoot people they "don't like the look of". I have no real problem with that, but it does water down the ideal of NRDS & that I think is a shame.
I also want it to be perfectly clear that our practice of NRDS is just that - if your not red you don't get shot. End of. I'd hate for people to leave this summit thinking that PIE's warped standard is the de facto.
Originally by: Lucius Vindictus
But that isn't even the whole story. Merdaneth recognised pilot Jamira, and already knew that he flew with the Star Fraction. The same Star Fraction he is in a constant state of war with. He provided volumes of overwhelming evidence that destroys any illusion of Jamira's "neutrility". And all of this happening in one of the most violent warzones in the cluster. Are we seriously supposed to shed a single tear over the loss of Jamira's ship?
Why are you making excuses for him? I say again what I've said to Merdaneth & Archbishop respectively. If there was any such 'weight of evidence' inform the said pilot of your intentions and have them set -10. Simple.
Originally by: Lucius Vindictus
And then there is yet another childish multi-page yes and no game with the Star Fraction.
Well, if you & your kin would just answer the questions the various issues would be resolved. I appreciate people don't like to respond to 'weighted' questions, if that is the case here simply say so & I will en devour to re-phrase them for you. Answers will still be required if you wish to move on though... personally & politically.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.30 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Obviously you are obsessed and need help. I encourage your corpmates to stage an intervention. Your fixation on PIE and your repeated bizarre posts in multiple threads indicates you are truly mentally ill.
How very predicable. You lose the argument. You fail to answer questions. You end up looking every bit the snake you are and its never your fault. Its because the enemy is "out to get you", "obsessed", "mentally ill" or otherwise disposed.
You'll appreciate I don't take negative assessments of my mental condition terribly seriously when coming from a deluded false preacher with a penchant for playing dress up games with Matari slave girls. You believe in an imaginary spirit that informs you of the comforting lie that you are "better" than everyone else. If that isn't a sign of mental instability I'm not sure what is.
Still the only thing real thing we can take from this thread is that PIE is institutionally dishonest about its rules of engagement and has allowed a member to conduct NBSI without punishment or recompense to the victim. You have failed to answer questions or clarify your policies and have fallen to simply coughing out ad-hoc insults and mirky misdirections to cover your evident exposure.
Go home Archbishop, this topic has already kicked you black and blue. Its getting frankly embarrassing seeing the hooded monk repeatedly tipped on his backside by all and sundry.
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Mielono
Caldari SWARTA
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Posted - 2009.11.30 01:42:00 -
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Are we playing a game of he(or she) who speaks last wins?
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.30 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre You then state that your conduct was investigated by the officers of your Corporation and that you were exonerated.
I did not say I was exonerated, although it is obvious that I was not expelled from PIE as a punishment. However, this is and remains an internal matter.
I feel I must insert an apology here, Pilot. It is true that you did not say you were exonerated, I would appear to have misunderstood some of the later replies to your initial communique. If I recall correctly either yourself or one of the senior members of the corporation had mentioned that you had suffered internal Sanctions as a result of this incident. A Demotion, I believe? However, this is just to clarify my earlier assertation. As you say, it is an Internal Matter.
I had merely wondered why this particular Internal Matter had been hauled onto the Gal-Net for anyone with access to pick over rather than stay Confidential within the ranks of your own Corporation.
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre So, given the confidential nature of said investigation, Why did you feel it necessary to reveal these findings to the Public in such a manner?
I haven't revealed any evidence from the investigation. Also, you assume that I am privy to all the findings of the investigation in question. My superior officers generally have much more facts and information available than I have, and they don't freely share this with their subordinates, we are not an anarchist organization after all.
A Poor Choice of words, I must admit. I had assumed that the same protocol that PIE is using with the No.Nercy/Quebec Power situation would have been used in the investigation into your own actions i.e. the involved parties would have been advised of the findings. As a Member of PIE, I had expected that you would have been better informed as to the findings than a complete outsider would have been.
My Error, it would seem.
For the record, however, PIE and my Current Corporation do share one similarity. We are not Anarchists either.
Originally by: Merdaneth
As for the rest of your speculations, they are certainly interesting, and even pose possibilities I haven't thought up myself.
I do believe this matter is about closed now. All that can be said has been said, often multiple times, so I believe I'll discontinue my contributions to this thread.
Unfortunately Politics, Especially Capsuleer Politics, does tend to be Complex. The most obvious explanation isn't always the true explanation after all especially when Ulterior Motives come into play.
Perhaps it's a side effect of living in Gallente Space and Society for so long, but I've gotten used to looking beyond what a man is saying and asking myself, What does he really mean by that?
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Sej Jamira
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sej Jamira on 09/12/2009 08:53:24 Edited by: Sej Jamira on 09/12/2009 08:52:51
Oh my. I seem to have missed quite a lot of words during a stay planetside. Getting a message from an individual named Jakiin asking for a chat brought me to post this, after i didnt spend too much thought on "the incident" earlier.
At the time of the incident I was investigating claims of No.Mercy pirating that had just become public. So I was poking my nose around and shadowing their movements. If you want to call that "spying", I dont care, I call it investigative journalism.
On that day No.Mercy was forming a Battleship fleet of about 10 in Tuomota. Checking surrounding systems for activity while waiting for them to move allowed Merdaneth to shoot and kill my ship while I was undocking from a station. I wansnt aware of PIEs rules of engagement, so I paid little heed to the aggression by some trigger-happy guy in a warzone.
Took me 10 minutes to get into a new ship, and as no crew had been onboard the loss didnt really matter. Little did I know of the consequences it apparantly had for the other side's conciousness. *Sej grins impishly*
The No.Mercy fleet finally started to move and I began shadowing them. I noticed with pleasure that they were indeed moving away from the warzone. After over an hour of travelling the fleet stopped in a lowsec system in the Amarrian Genesis region. The fleet sat there for half an hour doing nothing. My presence (hard to hide over hours and 20+ jumps) apparantly stopped them from doing what they came for (Fleets normally dont travel away from the warzone for an hour to idle sit around in some system).
In the end, not only on that day, I was denied what I was after, catching No.Mercy in the act and getting nice footage for a news item. So no cover story for me :(, but I am still content, knowing that my investigation probably saved the assets of Amarrian Industrial Corps from piracy.
But as this thread is about Merdaneth, my impression was that Merdaneth killed my ship to stop me from shadowing No.Mercy, and allow them to go on with their bussiness (piracy). It might have been coincidence, but getting killed while watching them assemble left that impression.
Merdaneth, you may of course claim other motivations, and I dont accusse you of anything (the incident is just an insignificant footnote from my perspective), but that was my feeling. I was shot by enough pirats in my life to not care if some Merdaneth joined this group or not.
At the end of the day, you killed an unarmed, civilian ship in a warzone, im used to it with most pod-pilots following NBSI, so i dont care much. Go on with your inner musings as you like.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:26:00 -
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Oh yes, this.
At the time, Merdaneth had asked if I would do a little 'public investigation' into this incident as a parallel to my inquiries with the No.Mercy incident. I took this as a request and decided I might as well, sent her a mail and told Merdaneth as much.
He replied that he had not meant it as a request for action but rather a request of intent, a confusion on my part. I'd already sent the mail however, so I decided to proceed regardless.
This all happened... His eyes scroll to the side as he views his communication logs About ten days ago, and since the whole incident had blown over I'd forgotten about it.
This is all a bit 'retro' for the IGS though, I think we're on to discussing bribery within the navies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Si'jha
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Si''jha on 09/12/2009 09:33:09 Hm, really not todays news anymore but at least both sides provided their side of the story now.
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theRaptor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:56:00 -
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I salute pilot Merdaneth for his valiant actions in exposing Star Fraction spying and deception. It is obvious to anyone not brainwashed by Fractionist memetics that a "neutral" that has consistently operated with enemy fleets is no neutral.
One doesn't wander into a warzone in a spy ship, fly with enemy fleets, and expect to be regarded as a non-partisan entity.
So I welcome Merdaneth's departure from the strict rule of law. The faithful know their own. ---
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sej Jamira Edited by: Sej Jamira on 09/12/2009 09:29:07
Oh my. I seem to have missed quite a lot of words during a stay planetside. Getting a message from an individual named Jakiin asking for a chat brought me to post this, after i didnt spend too much thought on "the incident" earlier.
At the time of the incident I was investigating claims of No.Mercy pirating that had just become public. So I was poking my nose around and shadowing their movements. If you want to call that "spying", I dont care, I call it investigative journalism.
On that day No.Mercy was forming a Battleship fleet of about 10 in Tuomota. Checking surrounding systems for activity while waiting for them to move allowed Merdaneth to shoot and kill my ship while I was undocking from a station. I wansnt aware of PIEs rules of engagement, so I paid little heed to the aggression by some trigger-happy guy. If I started a thread about every pirate I encounter I would be very busy indeed.
Took me 10 minutes to get into a new ship, and as no crew had been onboard the loss didnt really matter. Little did I know of the consequences it apparantly had for the other side's conciousness. *Sej grins impishly*
The No.Mercy fleet finally started to move and I began shadowing them. I noticed with pleasure that they were indeed moving away from the warzone. After over an hour of travelling the fleet stopped in a lowsec system in the Amarrian Genesis region. The fleet sat there for half an hour doing nothing. My presence (hard to hide over hours and 20+ jumps) apparantly stopped them from doing what they came for (Fleets normally dont travel away from the warzone for an hour to idle sit around in some system).
In the end, not only on that day, I was denied what I was after, catching No.Mercy in the act and getting nice footage for a news item. So no cover story for me :(, but I am still content, knowing that my investigation probably saved the assets of industrial corporations from piracy.
But as this thread is about Merdaneth, my impression was that Merdaneth killed my ship to stop me from shadowing No.Mercy, and allow them to go on with their bussiness (piracy). It might have been coincidence, but getting killed while watching them assemble left that impression.
Merdaneth, you may of course claim other motivations, and I dont accuse you of anything, but that was my feeling. I was shot by enough pirats in my life to not care if some Merdaneth joined this group or not.
At the end of the day, you indeed killed an unarmed, civilian ship and nearly covered up No.Mercy's actions. But as they were slow enough for me to catch up after reshipping, it didnt stop me, and im used to getting shot at with most pod pilot entities operating NBSI, so i dont care much. Go on with your inner musings as you like.
I wouldn't like to see this pilots testimony so quickly dismissed from the front page of the IGS. The short version is that Merdaneth appears now to have committed his act of NBSI piracy to help a No.Mercy gang maintain operational secrecy in one of their raids against neutral industrial powers.
This does rather change the context of the matter.
Merdaneth clearly lied in the opening post and has tried repeatedly to throw attention elsewhere from his actions. But seeing as how this deed dates back to the time when PIE Inc. were desperately attempting to cover up No.Mercy piracy and indeed Garst Tyrell was still listed as a candidate for "Amarrian-of-the-year" it becomes quite clear just why pilot Merdaneth might have felt obliged to destroy a neutral reporter attempting to follow a No.Mercy fleet during one of their piracy actions.
Interesting is it not?
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Interesting is it not?
Merdaneth bursts into laughter
So, you mean to claim:
- I was trying to draw attention away from the No.Mercy investigation - I did this by admitting an act of NBSI - This NBSI act was targeted against a neutral reporter - That reporter in question was following a No.Mercy gang busy committing piracy - I knew of No.Mercy's intentions at the time
Merdaneth bursts into laughter again then regains his composure, trying to appear serious.
Ms. Constantine, thank you for making me laugh. This was just precious, I have difficulty responding seriously.
So, I went public with an attack on a reporter that was following a pirating No.Mercy gang to draw attention away from the accusations of piracy and No.Mercy?
That's like ms. Neferis trying to draw away attention about who is holding the leash by transmitting images from her private quarters about games involving leashes.
Cosmopolite, please, do something about this, it's just too much for even this old and grumpy Amarrian's heart to take.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.12 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/12/2009 03:03:09
Originally by: Merdaneth So, I went public with an attack on a reporter that was following a pirating No.Mercy gang to draw attention away from the accusations of piracy and No.Mercy?
You went "public" with a mewling excuse for NBSI piracy. You said nothing about covering up for a No.Mercy gang heading off on a mission of piracy. Its fairly evident you shot down this neutral pilot to cover for your ex Corpmate Garst Tyrell who had asked your help in covering up his brigandry.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/12/2009 03:03:09
Originally by: Merdaneth So, I went public with an attack on a reporter that was following a pirating No.Mercy gang to draw attention away from the accusations of piracy and No.Mercy?
You went "public" with a mewling excuse for NBSI piracy. You said nothing about covering up for a No.Mercy gang heading off on a mission of piracy. Its fairly evident you shot down this neutral pilot to cover for your ex Corpmate Garst Tyrell who had asked your help in covering up his brigandry.
Merdaneth laughs heartily
Either you are purposely trying to be funny ms. Constantine, or you have completely lost it.
So, you think I comitted an act of piracy to cover up an act of piracy? Then I purposely went public with my 'coverup piracy' to help cover up another act of piracy?
Maybe you try to cover up your flaws by exposing them here on the IGS ms. Constantine, but you should realize that's not normal. Just look at the word closely: 'cover up', you'll notice that it is sort of the opposite of 'expose' and 'go public'. Get it? ____
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.12 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Merdaneth laughs heartily
You haven't denied a word I've said.
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