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Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.29 21:12:00 -
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BBC News Website
Quote: Around 15,000 suspected pirates may soon get legal letters accusing them of illegally sharing movies and games.
Quote: ACS: Law recently obtained two High Court orders that require ISPs to hand over the names and addresses of the account holders for 30,000 IP addresses, a number which can identify a computer on the internet. It is currently preparing three more
Quote: "A lot are accused of downloading ****ography," Jaclyn Clarabut of Which? told BBC News.
Quote: offering a chance to settle out of court for "several hundreds of pounds".
Quote: If it went to court and the lawyers were successful, he said, damages "would run into several thousands of pounds".
Quote: The crackdown will be aimed at people who regularly use technologies, such as BitTorrent, and websites, such as The Pirate Bay, to find and download files
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.29 21:17:00 -
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*hugs his astraweb account* ____________________
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Dannerkongen
Lootex
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Posted - 2009.11.29 22:29:00 -
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so?
do u have any idea what it would cost the british government to bring 15k people before a judge?? not to mention the time it would take!
plus im pretty sure brighton alone has more than 15k peopel using torrents
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.11.30 09:48:00 -
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While this is nothing new (there's always someone doing or saying something to target illegal file sharers), major kudos to OP for actually posting something from his link first. So much better than people who just post "LOL!" with a link and nothing about it
Between PeerGuardian2 and forced encryption in uTorrent, it's almost as safe as can be (short of not downloading anything at all). It's still a bit of a surprise that commercial businesses can demand users private details from ISPs (granted they need evidence), makes the Data Protection Act a little pointless. -------------
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit
It's still a bit of a surprise that commercial businesses can demand users private details from ISPs (granted they need evidence), makes the Data Protection Act a little pointless.
Well, to be fair it's not like they just pick up the phone and ask for the address of John Smith etc etc.
They are able to see the IP address of all the seeders in a torrent file and see which IP addresses are assigned to which IP. This is evidence that the person using that IP address is uploading illegal content.
All they have to do is then present this evidence to the court and state that someone was using that IP address at such and such a time to illegally upload copyrighted material.
Once the company is granted a court order, they present it to the ISP and the ISP is then compelled by law to state which customer was assigned that IP address at that specific time.
There is a well-defined process that must be followed and if anyone deviates from it then yes, it would probably be a breach of the DPA. So long as the process is followed and there is a valid court order, there is little you can do.
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annoing
Amarr Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.11.30 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 30/11/2009 14:14:57 Simple really.
Dont use p2p software.
Job done
EDIT: To remove my notes on how to share without getting caught
Originally by: Zeba Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people |
Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 30/11/2009 14:14:57 Simple really.
Dont use p2p software.
Why not?
P2P software is not illegal.
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Poruntubo
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Posted - 2009.11.30 15:03:00 -
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just use freenet and u are safe |
Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.11.30 15:13:00 -
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Getting a prosecution from a file sharing charge is pretty difficult. As unless the person is somehow taken by surprise he can destroy all possible evidence before it even gets close to going to court.
This is just a glorified scam by that law firm and borders on blackmail/protection racket.
Kazang
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.11.30 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang Getting a prosecution from a file sharing charge is pretty difficult. As unless the person is somehow taken by surprise he can destroy all possible evidence before it even gets close to going to court.
This is just a glorified scam by that law firm and borders on blackmail/protection racket.
This. If I had the choice between bricking a ú50 hard drive and losing any data on it as a side consequence, and possibly being fined for thousands of úúú, the choice would be rather clear to me which is the best option.
(And i'm talking Nailgun through the Platters Bricking, with high powered magnets and burny burny fire. Maybe a nuke or two...)
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Kazang Getting a prosecution from a file sharing charge is pretty difficult. As unless the person is somehow taken by surprise he can destroy all possible evidence before it even gets close to going to court.
This is just a glorified scam by that law firm and borders on blackmail/protection racket.
This. If I had the choice between bricking a ú50 hard drive and losing any data on it as a side consequence, and possibly being fined for thousands of úúú, the choice would be rather clear to me which is the best option.
How then do you propose to destroy the records that your ISP are legally obliged to retain?
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.30 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros How then do you propose to destroy the records that your ISP are legally obliged to retain?
You don't, ISP records don't really stand up as proof in a court of law. At best they allow for the police to get a warrant.
Originally by: Alex Raptos (And i'm talking Nailgun through the Platters Bricking, with high powered magnets and burny burny fire. Maybe a nuke or two...)
Surprisingly its quite difficult to put a hole through the platters of a hard drive. You would need a proper 4+ inch nail industrial nail gun, or a high speed drill capable of drilling into concrete and a lot of dead weight to stop it from spinning. A lesson I found out, luckily I wasn't in a rush.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Brujo Loco on 30/11/2009 22:28:02 Quote:"A lot are accused of downloading ****ography," Jaclyn Clarabut of Which? told BBC News.
Is it Illegal to download ****? It's practically for all purposes free on the internet, many places even stream complete movies!!! I don't get, It's ron jeremy himself suing me for downloading ****? ---
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:27:00 -
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Even **** is copyright protected. I think the point they're making is that people accused of pirating **** would be too embarrassed to take it to court and would pay up whether they were guilty or not. ____________________
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:07:00 -
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Another law firm was trying this last year in the UK but didn't actually take a single person to court. Some people 'settled' but those who fought back, in every case, found the law firm backed down. It seemed that part of the problem was that the software used to track file sharing is something the developers don't want to share, and any case actually going to court would lead to the need to explain how the software worked if anyone claimed they had been falsely accused (which many did).
Knowing this, it looked even more like a scam on the law firm's part - a way to scare people into handing over money to them without all the work of having to provide any evidence or proof in court.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Alex Raptos (And i'm talking Nailgun through the Platters Bricking, with high powered magnets and burny burny fire. Maybe a nuke or two...)
Surprisingly its quite difficult to put a hole through the platters of a hard drive. You would need a proper 4+ inch nail industrial nail gun, or a high speed drill capable of drilling into concrete and a lot of dead weight to stop it from spinning. A lesson I found out, luckily I wasn't in a rush.
Indeed it can. Vice grips + industrial nailgun = Tetly Teabagged HArd drive.
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:05:00 -
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Surely if you wanted to erase a hard drive, apart from the software utils that rewrite physical sectors several times, all you'd need to do is leave it on top of a subwoofer and play some drum and bass for 20 minutes. -------------
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit Surely if you wanted to erase a hard drive, apart from the software utils that rewrite physical sectors several times, all you'd need to do is leave it on top of a subwoofer and play some drum and bass for 20 minutes.
Nowhere near as Satisfying as physically destroying the drive completely
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Alex Raptos (And i'm talking Nailgun through the Platters Bricking, with high powered magnets and burny burny fire. Maybe a nuke or two...)
Surprisingly its quite difficult to put a hole through the platters of a hard drive. You would need a proper 4+ inch nail industrial nail gun, or a high speed drill capable of drilling into concrete and a lot of dead weight to stop it from spinning. A lesson I found out, luckily I wasn't in a rush.
Indeed it can. Vice grips + industrial nailgun = Tetly Teabagged HArd drive.
I find a shotgun to be the quickest and most effective __________________________________________
It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other. |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 01/12/2009 18:06:09
Originally by: KingsGambit Surely if you wanted to erase a hard drive, apart from the software utils that rewrite physical sectors several times, all you'd need to do is leave it on top of a subwoofer and play some drum and bass for 20 minutes.
Yeah, that's unlikely to do anything but crash the R/W heads. It's quite difficult to erase a hard drive with magnets found in a subwoofer (and the subwoofers are almost all invariable magnetically shielded anyway).
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Rolk Anderson
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Posted - 2009.12.03 20:04:00 -
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"If it went to court and the lawyers were successful, he said, damages "would run into several thousands of pounds". "
I think this is the most important bit, threaten those with little legal knowledge that they will lose more if they fight. 90% will settle, odds on.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:09:00 -
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What will be even funnier is when they go to the ISP and the ISP goes. "Dude those are all DHCP addresses we don't keep records on who used them 3 days ago much less 6 months."
Or as we like to say in my business TNF(Technically Not Feasible).
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore What will be even funnier is when they go to the ISP and the ISP goes. "Dude those are all DHCP addresses we don't keep records on who used them 3 days ago much less 6 months."
Or as we like to say in my business TNF(Technically Not Feasible).
Which is why things like the RIAA sending cease and desist letters to DHCP printers happens.
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