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Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
152
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:57:00 -
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To rush to judgement on such obviously one side changes will prove you the Dev-Swarm allegations in many players minds, that Goons are Hand in glove with CCP Devs. This will damage Eve immensely. You put T20 behind you do let this raise that ugly head again.
Soundwave is fond of saying GÇ£Eve isnGÇÖt fair and nor should it beGÇ¥. So let the Goons drink their own Cool-Aid in high sec. Null sec is unfair in favour the big alliances, and should be. The 1.0 Mechanics are unfair in favour of carebears, AND SHOULD BE.
Park the 1.1 mechanics changes, hold the line with 1.0 Mechanics. Let the emergent mechanics emerge. They are actually brilliant, shocking brilliant they've created a space for real outlaws to emerge in high-sec, within existing CONCORD mechanics.
When the Goons stop whinging they will realise this is great for Eve. It will cut the Jita umbilical cord of Null-Sec and make logistics key.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2012.06.17 07:59:00 -
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So, uh, what are you talking about? eh |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1378
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:03:00 -
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Apparently even the Eve forums these days 'isn't fair'. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
128
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:16:00 -
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If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.
The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
63
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:26:00 -
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You have seen the new forum rules out this week right?? |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
642
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:26:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.
The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all.
You should check some of the details of the CSM 7 campaign.
Was promoted by Mittens himself that EVE development was mostly influenced by the GSF bar bill in Iceland.
It was also questioned as to wether he was serious about it also at the time, to which he said was an indicator to the level of political influence he had, not just in jest.
Of course some people dont believe this to be true, but it was still actively promoted. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:29:00 -
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I'll ask again, and it'll be ignored again, for someone to prove that goons are whining about anything.
Wardecs mean literally nothing to nulsec corps. They aren't a necessary mechanic for us. We can fight eachother all we like, no one needs to declare anything. Our highsec presence is in the single digits, and no one cares about them.
Meanwhile, after having had supercaps nerfed to give other corps a decent chance (we had an instant win button there for awhile, that we willfully gave up for game balance), a number of goons are currently lobbying to have tech seriously nerfed.
You know, that moon goo that is currently just flooding us with free isk. Yeah, we're trying to make it available to anyone who wants it.
You better hope ccp "caves" to us, since most of what we lobby for actually keeps goon power and wealth in check.
Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Trollin
93
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:32:00 -
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I think u mean SoundWaffe, but could be my tinfoil trolling me You are your own worst enemy. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
987
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:42:00 -
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Trollin wrote:I think u mean SoundWaffe, but could be my tinfoil trolling me
also not surprising that "rank and file" want some access to tech for themselves.
i'd guess that there isnt a good way to split "1,000,000,000,000" isk a month between 10,05? alts after the top dogs take their cut and the reimbursement payouts/fueling cost / hulkogeddon are deduct, whats left? 20m each a month... peanust
us "top dogs" don't get a cut, regretfully eh |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:43:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote:To rush to judgement on such obviously one side changes will prove you the Dev-Swarm allegations in many players minds, that Goons are Hand in glove with CCP Devs. This will damage Eve immensely. You put T20 behind you do let this raise that ugly head again.
Soundwave is fond of saying GÇ£Eve isnGÇÖt fair and nor should it beGÇ¥. So let the Goons drink their own Cool-Aid in high sec. Null sec is unfair in favour the big alliances, and should be. The 1.0 Mechanics are unfair in favour of carebears in high-sec, AND SHOULD BE.
Park the 1.1 Ally mechanics changes, hold the line with 1.0 Mechanics. Let the emergent mechanics emerge. They are actually brilliant, shocking brilliant they've created a space for real outlaws to exist in high-sec, within existing CONCORD mechanics.
When the Goons stop whinging they will realise this is great for Eve. It will cut the Jita umbilical cord for Null-Sec and force them to make logistics key. You do realize that the current status of wardecs will end causing either: -Nobody wardecs anyone ever after, as doing so expose you to 40+ alliances joining freely the defender side, while the "defender" can still make the war mutual and lock you in it. or -Nobody join any war as an ally. In the situation where the defender declare the war mutual, you're locked in a war on which you have no influence.
Either the current situation will kill wardecs, or they will matter to almost nothing because nobody would join as ally anymore. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:45:00 -
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actually the current state of wardecs would just mean that the only active wardecs in the game are ~honourdecs~ like RvB and the GSF/TEST wardec bandwagons where the defenders' allies are panicking at the idea that they've locked themselves into a perpetual wardec with the largest alliance in the game
not that I have a problem with that outcome vOv eh |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1224
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:46:00 -
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I love how highsec players are totally willing to make highsec worse if they think it'll finally make goons mad somehow |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
106
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:48:00 -
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Posting in yet another "Gewns R Bad" thread. Honestly, are we so bored in high sec that all we have to talk about is GSF?
I recently finished Cruise Missile V and did Cruise Missile Specialization to II, put on 6 Cruise Missile Launcher IIs and did a mission and it seems like I am doing a lot less DPS. This seemed odd to me. I guess I will have to tinker with the fitting.
In other news, this thread sucks. -á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:49:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Cruise Missile Specialization to II
spec skills should never be trained short of IV
also, the idea that some hisec players have that this permadec a) matters to us, b) keeps us out of hisec and c) is affecting us adversely is patently ridiculous, just sayin' eh |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
106
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:51:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Cruise Missile Specialization to II spec skills should never be trained short of IV
It's a work in progress.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
493
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:56:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.
The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all. You should check some of the details of the CSM 7 campaign. Was promoted by Mittens himself that EVE development was mostly influenced by the GSF bar bill in Iceland. It was also questioned as to wether he was serious about it also at the time, to which he said was an indicator to the level of political influence he had, not just in jest. Of course some people dont believe this to be true, but it was still actively promoted.
Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1224
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:00:00 -
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wait so did mittani seduce CCP into implementing Inferno 1.0 like Grumpy Owly says or did he seduce them into rolling it back like OP says, I'm having trouble keeping my highsec mongoloid babble straight |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
493
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:05:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote:To rush to judgement on such obviously one side changes will prove you the Dev-Swarm allegations in many players minds, that Goons are Hand in glove with CCP Devs. This will damage Eve immensely. You put T20 behind you do let this raise that ugly head again.
Soundwave is fond of saying GÇ£Eve isnGÇÖt fair and nor should it beGÇ¥. So let the Goons drink their own Cool-Aid in high sec. Null sec is unfair in favour the big alliances, and should be. The 1.0 Mechanics are unfair in favour of carebears in high-sec, AND SHOULD BE.
Park the 1.1 Ally mechanics changes, hold the line with 1.0 Mechanics. Let the emergent mechanics emerge. They are actually brilliant, shocking brilliant they've created a space for real outlaws to exist in high-sec, within existing CONCORD mechanics.
When the Goons stop whinging they will realise this is great for Eve. It will cut the Jita umbilical cord for Null-Sec and force them to make logistics key.
I don't think you have the first idea what you are talking about. People keep coming here and whining about the Goons "Wah wah wah, they did this and that and this" when clearly the only people whining are idiots like you! If it weren't so utterly depressing it would be funny.
The sad fact is that seem to be ever increasing numbers of self appointed internet idiots, and these idiots think that because they heard something from their Uncle Dave's best friends sister's Aunties hairdresser's gardener (also called Dave), that Goonswarm are evil internet people who have, despite the fact that there are REAL financial backers pouring tens of millions of their own dollars in to CCP, have managed to take over this entire game.
That is the crux of it right there. Ill informed, illiterate, sky is falling chest beaters are actually convinced that a bunch of gamers have somehow managed to perform a hostile takeover of a multimillion dollar company, through a GAME. Why don't you go away and think about that for a minute, and then when you realise how stupid you are, sit and have a think about everything else you said. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:06:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:wait so did mittani seduce CCP into implementing Inferno 1.0 like Grumpy Owly says or did he seduce them into rolling it back like OP says
It's amazing how despite getting removed from the CSM, people still think that Mittens wields extensive influence within CCP. eh |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
642
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:08:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.
The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all. You should check some of the details of the CSM 7 campaign. Was promoted by Mittens himself that EVE development was mostly influenced by the GSF bar bill in Iceland. It was also questioned as to wether he was serious about it also at the time, to which he said was an indicator to the level of political influence he had, not just in jest. Of course some people dont believe this to be true, but it was still actively promoted. Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?
The Mittani wrote:The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesnGÇÖt understand why a quiet word in a devGÇÖs ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year IGÇÖve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.
Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
495
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:08:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:wait so did mittani seduce CCP into implementing Inferno 1.0 like Grumpy Owly says or did he seduce them into rolling it back like OP says It's amazing how despite getting removed from the CSM, people still think that Mittens wields extensive influence within CCP.
It's amazing that the morons think he EVER had any influence over a multimillion dollar company and its multimillionaire financial backers. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
495
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:09:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.
The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all. You should check some of the details of the CSM 7 campaign. Was promoted by Mittens himself that EVE development was mostly influenced by the GSF bar bill in Iceland. It was also questioned as to wether he was serious about it also at the time, to which he said was an indicator to the level of political influence he had, not just in jest. Of course some people dont believe this to be true, but it was still actively promoted. Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others? The Mittani wrote:The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesnGÇÖt understand why a quiet word in a devGÇÖs ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year IGÇÖve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.
I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there. Here's a hint. This sentence and the other ones like it are made of things called words, that's what you are reading right now, words.
Now go put your big boy pants on and use some of your own words to make your own statements about what YOU personally know. Then we can have what's called a conversation. Until then it's me talking, and you spouting off nonsense you overheard somewhere. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
106
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:11:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:wait so did mittani seduce CCP into implementing Inferno 1.0 like Grumpy Owly says or did he seduce them into rolling it back like OP says, I'm having trouble keeping my highsec mongoloid babble straight
And in truth you shouldn't have to. Some people have spent the last few days going on about their baseless accusations, creating rich tapestries of conjecture and conspiracy. But instead of taking their accusations to the right people that can do anything about their claims they just spam GD with another "Goons R Bad" thread.
This is not the forum for your accusations of malfeasance and the seedy underworld of Eve. If you have proof (a concept that is oft difficult for some) of wrongdoing in the ranks of CCP and their developers relationships with any alliance take it to Internal Affairs and stop recycling post after post of this **** here.
On another note, I think I'll have to sacrifice some of my tank to get that DPS out of the T2 Launchers. I prefer the overpowered tank but it is just taking too long to complete the missions. But it's got a really good tank so i should be able to play around with it and come up with a nice balance.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
642
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:14:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?
The Mittani wrote:The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesnGÇÖt understand why a quiet word in a devGÇÖs ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year IGÇÖve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.
I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there.
No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that this "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in responce to a comment. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
121
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:14:00 -
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The tinfoilhattery of the OP would have made sense if GSF was a merc alliance and lived in high sec. As it stands, the changes to wars in 1.0 were beneficial to any null sec power bloc that went cruisin' for a bruisin' into Jita(except TEST). No one in high sec is anywhere near as organized, has the amount of members or isk to do anything other than be cannon fodder.
CCP is definitely influenced by large alliances. They'd damn well better be. It's what makes Eve unique. But this specific case just goes to show how absolutely ******** your general whistleblower gets. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
990
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:16:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:I'm merely subjectively stating how The Mittani promoted his influence in response to a comment.
fixed that for you! eh |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
496
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:19:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?
The Mittani wrote:The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesnGÇÖt understand why a quiet word in a devGÇÖs ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year IGÇÖve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.
I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there. No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that any "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in response to a comment.
Objectivity does not appear to be your strong suit. Mittens was promoting himself, not the GSF. Again, try using your OWN words to make sentences and stop using the crap that the tinfoil hat brigade regurgitate. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
642
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:I'm merely objectively stating how The Mittani promoted his influence in response to a comment. fixed that for you!
I'll accept that as fact, but rightly, wrongly or whatever Mittens political message was supported by GSF members during the CSM 7 campaigning.
However, I'm perfectly happy to say that support from members to their political leaders is likey to be expected and not ultimatley the opinion of all members of GSF.
Either way, I personally dont believe any untoward special relationship of corruption exists between GSF and CCP. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:27:00 -
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The only thing that bugs me about the new wardec system is that it makes my eve mail icon blink more then before. But I did get a bit of a chuckle thinking these guys would be locked into a forever war.
Other than that, I still could not care less about wardecs. They have zero importance to people based in nullsec as we basically live in a state of forever war with any one that happens by.
It sure as hell isn't goons crying about the possibility of being shot on sight at any moment. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1421
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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:45:00 -
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Sometimes
Not often, but sometimes
I wish the world was based on a meritocracy, right down to the 'voters'
(Spoilers: I'm suggesting you're pretty dumb, op...but at least super funny, can't even tell when someone is giving you a gift) Dare to dream of a better New Eden. -áDegren for CSM 8 |
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