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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:41:00 -
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Hermia wrote:Ive returned after a very long break and its really noticeable how the culture has changed. It really is a goon led status quo now. All the pirate corps and many nullsecers seem to aspire to be them, using the same language and purveying the same points of view. They seem to be the cool kids now where even CCP (to appear in-touch with the community) have adjusted. Annoyingly its become seriously uncool to like WiS, so now any self-respecting player who values there image wont talk about it, even if they secretly want it lol.
Dont get me wrong, i like having the goons around and would feel sad if they left. They are easier to hate than BOB, they make a better nemesis and the drama they create is good but for me some drawbacks:
1) Really like the new senior producer guy, looks professional, but this "spaceship development only" plan demonstrates a complete win for the anti-WiS lobbyists.
2) There is probably no chance i will ever attend Fanfest. I watched that latest Alliance Panel and it was terrible, you could see how embarrassed CCP Xagon <--sp? was, it was cringe worthy. I would not be surprised if speakers are told they must be sober to attend next time.
3) I have never been ganked in Hi-sec but i don't think its right that players make disposable alts in disposable ships and gank with total impunity. There should be more consequence, its an act of war and CONCORD should issue free wars for a gank.
4) So many reasons but im at work
So...
CCP, dont cave to goons or at least try and resist!
It really isn't a complete win for anti-wis people. Those people are actually a very, very small minority. Most people want a WiS that is meaningful and has something more to it than just emotes in stations.
Edit: Also, no one is caving to Goons. If CCP were caving to Goons the hilariously free foreverwar would have stayed in place. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:48:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:I've seen you posting this around a lot as if it were some sort of excuse. If you can't figure out how to keep your alliance secure enough to function and can't trust the people you seem to want fighting with you then you aren't really "allies." This all smacks of more needing CCP to hold your hand through things that real alliances have been able to pull off for years. Why can't we just leave the infinite allies for free in?
I liked how broken it was. Just more fuel to the burning fire that is wardecs... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
87
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:48:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.
Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay.
Look a GOON pet spoke!!! where did you go to school at? i am so suprised and will we ever beleive a GOON? HELL ******* NO! Go back to your corner Null bear.
I agree with the OP. Too many times it has been seen that the GOON-DEVs had done what everyone expects. Side with the GOONs like a little pet. |
Constable Chang
0
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:51:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:We are clearly not all-powerful because we would scrub clean these forums of moronically bad analogies and terrible shitposts. But here we are in this thread.
I'm hoping that CCP will use the SA forums as a model for their own forums... Seriously. SA forums are the most 'functional' forums on the internet.
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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:52:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.
Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay. Look a GOON pet spoke!!! where did you go to school at? i am so suprised and will we ever beleive a GOON? HELL ******* NO! Go back to your corner Null bear. I agree with the OP. Too many times it has been seen that the GOON-DEVs had done what everyone expects. Side with the GOONs like a little pet.
Why do you capitalize goon? It isn't an acronym or anything. Also, Goons don't really do pets. I know this is hard for someone who is a pet to understand.
Also also, Richard Desturned is in Goonwaffe. How could he be a Goonwaffe pet? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:56:00 -
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the 1.1 ally changes have nothing to do with goonswarm, what happen to this forum? it full of idoits now...
well ok, not much has changed. :P but seriously? putting a limit on how many allies you can pull it? If goonswarm declares war on you and you want to defend hire a SINGLE LARGE ALLIANCE. or get all of those people that were being mercs for you, and have them form an alliance to fight back.
You people are either too dumb or too soft Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:56:00 -
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Jade less words more of this:
CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:57:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.
Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay. Look a GOON pet spoke!!! where did you go to school at? i am so suprised and will we ever beleive a GOON? HELL ******* NO! Go back to your corner Null bear. I agree with the OP. Too many times it has been seen that the GOON-DEVs had done what everyone expects. Side with the GOONs like a little pet.
looks at corp....
lolz Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:57:00 -
[99] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:the 1.1 ally changes have nothing to do with goonswarm, what happen to this forum? it full of idoits now...
well ok, not much has changed. :P but seriously? putting a limit on how many allies you can pull it? If goonswarm declares war on you and you want to defend hire a SINGLE LARGE ALLIANCE. or get all of those people that were being mercs for you, and have them form an alliance to fight back.
You people are either too dumb or too soft
possibly both Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 01:58:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.
but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2335
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:03:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.
The quote doesn't really make sense though. Otherwise why doesn't the wardec cost ramp up when the defender adds more allies (thus targets) into the wardec? Also, why does the wardec cost against goons (for example) calculate 500m per week for (9000 members) when by admission of most of their members there are no more than 90 or so active in empire (and thus reachable through the hisec wardec system).
As for the "social repecurssions" - well doesn't that cut both ways? If an alliance has made itself very unpopular in eve there are litterally dozens of hisec trade hub raiders who'd like to join wars against them but are now prevented from doing so by the exponentially-increasing wardec ally multiplier (which is a bit silly because it increases much further and more extremely than simply layering on additional wardecs would.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2335
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:04:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?
I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:12:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?
The Mittani wrote:The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesnGÇÖt understand why a quiet word in a devGÇÖs ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year IGÇÖve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.
I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there. No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that any "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in response to a comment.
but that would mean... goonswarm made CCP do the war changes the way they wanted in inferno 1.0, which I can find thread saying goonswarm was behind the merc marketplace, and now it's the oppisite, after the person you quoted was removed from the CSM.
logic why you have none Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2335
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:13:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp. Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks?
Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks? Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.
Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't.
In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate.
Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3 Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:28:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?
You're telling me you enjoy the tinfoil covered mass of words that are vomited into posts? |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:31:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? You're telling me you enjoy the tinfoil covered mass of words that are vomited into posts?
I don't enjoy the words, no, but I do enjoy bullets. I expect harder goons to "take one for the team" in reading Jade's posts.
Reading a Jade post is much like reading Stephanie Meyer, I imagine. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Constable Chang
0
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Should be able to wardec npc corps. Wardeccing the Amarr Ministry of War should be... interesting. Don't empire navies get to field caps and supers in their own empire space?
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:38:00 -
[110] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. The quote doesn't really make sense though. Otherwise why doesn't the wardec cost ramp up when the defender adds more allies (thus targets) into the wardec? Also, why does the wardec cost against goons (for example) calculate 500m per week for (9000 members) when by admission of most of their members there are no more than 90 or so active in empire (and thus reachable through the hisec wardec system). As for the "social repecurssions" - well doesn't that cut both ways? If an alliance has made itself very unpopular in eve there are litterally dozens of hisec trade hub raiders who'd like to join wars against them but are now prevented from doing so by the exponentially-increasing wardec ally multiplier (which is a bit silly because it increases much further and more extremely than simply layering on additional wardecs would.
Read it again it makes perfect sense. Keep reading it until you understand it and quit whining about semantics. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2335
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:39:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks? Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you. Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't. In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3
I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
275
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:39:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.
Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Greg Valanti wrote:im mrmessy wrote:How about something that fixes the wardec pile ons. Goonswarm has 37 corps allied with one war target. I have no idea on how to fix this or make it less annoying CCP Goliath wrote: GÇó Ally contracts have fixed length of two weeks GÇó Allies can not be part of mutual wars GÇô defender cannot hire allies into mutual wars and existing ally contracts are cancelled (with a 24 hour grace period) GÇó Added cost for hiring multiple allies for a war GÇô hiring more than one ally now incur a cost that goes to CONCORD. The cost rises exponentially the more allies are hired into the same war.
You're welcome. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:40:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks? Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you. Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't. In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3 I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there
What would be the rumor that you are implying I may be starting? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
275
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:43:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.
Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Greg Valanti wrote:im mrmessy wrote:How about something that fixes the wardec pile ons. Goonswarm has 37 corps allied with one war target. I have no idea on how to fix this or make it less annoying CCP Goliath wrote: GÇó Ally contracts have fixed length of two weeks GÇó Allies can not be part of mutual wars GÇô defender cannot hire allies into mutual wars and existing ally contracts are cancelled (with a 24 hour grace period) GÇó Added cost for hiring multiple allies for a war GÇô hiring more than one ally now incur a cost that goes to CONCORD. The cost rises exponentially the more allies are hired into the same war.
You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:43:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.
Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy?
I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of? Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
150
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:44:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.
Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks? Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you. Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't. In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3 I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there
Ohgod it gets worse. Please someone just gag this ejit... anyone? |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:48:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote: Ohgod it gets worse. Please someone just gag this ejit... anyone?
It's amazing how someone like that can make attack post after attack post after rumor post after rumor post and still not be banned. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about-áLa Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.18 02:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
Alia Gon'die wrote:I don't enjoy the words, no, but I do enjoy bullets. I expect harder goons to "take one for the team" in reading Jade's posts.
Reading a Jade post is much like reading Stephanie Meyer, I imagine. It's tinfoil refined and compressed into posts.
There you go. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
66
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:02:00 -
[119] - Quote
Alia Gon'die wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.
Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy? I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of?
How many times are you going to move the goal post? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:07:00 -
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listen, the point is this. You already have the ability to ban together for free, and join in other peoples wars by forming massive alliances. Or even just by all having an agreement and declaring war on someone separately.
This system was suppose to be for merc alliances and corps to make money off of people who need defending. What the ally system let happen was already possible, thus, pointless. it's not done yet, it needs a lot more work honestly, like only letting in 1 ally in my opinion.
but it has nothing to do with a null sec alliance.
also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right? Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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