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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
660
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:By which I guess you guys acknowledge you have lost the actual discussion (again).
What is this discussion about? No one in GSF gives a rip about wardecs. The only 'victims' of any wardec against GSF are poor newbees who haven't realized they don't need anything from highsec yet. GJ griefing new players Jade Constantine. . |
Freezehunter
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:21:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:There are around 12 people in Goonswarm actually running around highsec fighting various wartargets and dealing with unpersons of interest. 12. Not a hundred, not a thousand. 12.
Should Goonswarm actually have to leave nullsec space that it is already fighting for on a routine basis because some random schmucks in highsec could harm it simply by blowing up enough careless idiots or newbies, that 12 would multiply into about 12,000.
Jade, imagine being camped into your home system, 23/7, by a thousand players. You do not want nullsec empires to be bothered to deal with your petty highsec bullshit, Jade, because if we want to we can crush you like a particularly obnoxious roleplaying transvestite cockroach skittering across the bathroom floor.
I like your style, it suits my style. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:22:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:.
I love you guys, no homo.
I love you. Like, I want to put my genitals on your face love. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1497
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:22:00 -
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OP's choice of words leads me to believe them to be a professional forum troll, contributing mostly to political discussions, and always on the conservative side.
I Imagine posts mostly contain obscure conservative blogs about Obamacare and birth certificates, chemtrails, guns and the Zombie apocalypse, with a heavy emphasis on FOX news.
His or her life consists of posting tinfoil asshattery and luxuriating in the tears that flow. why this thread hasn't been locked yet is just.... welp The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Freezehunter
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:25:00 -
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Holander Switzerland wrote:Freezehunter wrote:.
I love you guys, no homo. I love you. Like, I want to put my genitals on your face love.
Well **** you too, then! <3 Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:31:00 -
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Quote:Wardecs mean literally nothing to nulsec corps.
This is not true.
but I'll say this .. I believe these allegations as much as I belived any of the allegations about Bob. In this case there is a paper trail that can be investigated; as was pointed out, you can read the minutes of the CSM meetings.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
535
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:33:00 -
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In nullsec, anyone can shoot you at any time without paying a fee. War decs change literally nothing for entities like Goonswarm, except that new players in the alliance that haven't made it out to nullsec yet can be shot.
If we had to care about wardecs, people that fought us would be brought to their knees and then crushed.
These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:34:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:but I'll say this .. I believe these allegations as much as I belived any of the allegations about Bob. In this case there is a paper trail that can be investigated; as was pointed out, you can read the minutes of the CSM meetings.
gotta be a bigger conspiracy than t20 this time, considering that most of the CSM has already stated Jade's allegations are pure unadulterated bullshit Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:35:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:38:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:In nullsec, anyone can shoot you at any time without paying a fee. War decs change literally nothing for entities like Goonswarm, except that new players in the alliance that haven't made it out to nullsec yet can be shot.
If we had to care about wardecs, people that fought us would be brought to their knees and then crushed.
These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:39:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt" Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Freezehunter
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:40:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:In nullsec, anyone can shoot you at any time without paying a fee. War decs change literally nothing for entities like Goonswarm, except that new players in the alliance that haven't made it out to nullsec yet can be shot.
If we had to care about wardecs, people that fought us would be brought to their knees and then crushed.
These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours. most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance.
LOL.
You forgot the part where every decent alliance has neutral hauler and market alts that no one knows about.
Epic fail highsec thinking. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Freezehunter
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:42:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt"
My point exactly.
Who do these guys think most of the people in Jita with weird names are?
They are market/hauler alts for big alliances. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:43:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:In nullsec, anyone can shoot you at any time without paying a fee. War decs change literally nothing for entities like Goonswarm, except that new players in the alliance that haven't made it out to nullsec yet can be shot.
If we had to care about wardecs, people that fought us would be brought to their knees and then crushed.
These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours. most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance.
Neutral alts |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1346
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:44:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote: Oh dear, I really need to explain? Ok. For the entire time you have been discussing the changes to the wardec system, the greater percentage of that time has actually been spent blaming Goonswarm for said changes.
That isn't true in any way shape or form. I'd challenge you to go off and perform a complete textual analysis of the threads in question but I'm guessing you aren't quite credulous enough to actually do it.
There's no need to do this when I can simply post a link to an article where you go stark raving mad and sperg for a couple thousand words on the topic: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/06/15/eve-online-inferno-scorches-the-mittani%E2%80%99s-knickers-ccp-turns-down-the-heat/
Or shall I pull up your deleted posts from Eve-search where you go on and on and on about the Goons making CCP change it? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3468
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:46:00 -
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Haquer wrote:I like the part where he denies none of this He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again. |
Freezehunter
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:47:00 -
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It's amazing how out of touch with nullsec living practices high sec players are, isn't it?
When I used to live in 0.0, every time we had a war dec, no one gave half a **** because no one ever actually bothered us, and no one was actually in high sec from our side except the market and hauling neutral alts.
We did have the occasional ****** T1 fleet attacking our 0.0 space from empire, but they learned what bubbles are for the hard way. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3468
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:50:00 -
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if anyone's curious my npc hauler alt was osakran vosbosgernt (or something like that it's hard as hell to spell) for a long time, until i needed him in 0.0
i now have another one and use osakran every so often as a cloaked npc warpin on hulks
that's just one of my personal ones all people who do anything in empire have one |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1346
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Haquer wrote:I like the part where he denies none of this He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again. 10 Like his "it's GOONS!" -- "No, Jade, it's not" 20 "Well I never said that" 30 *link* 40 *silence* 50 (some time passed) GO TO 10 - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:53:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt"
let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1039
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:55:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:if anyone's curious my npc hauler alt was osakran vosbosgernt (or something like that it's hard as hell to spell) for a long time, until i needed him in 0.0 (so now he has a GSF char history if anyone thinks to check and wants to try to suicide me, so I don't use him for actual npc hauiling)
i now have another one and use osakran every so often as a cloaked npc warpin on hulks
that's just one of my personal ones all people who do anything in empire have one Every little ibis or even just a pod.
Be careful ~~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:55:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt" let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification.
Yeah cause most of you put forth the effort to do that. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3471
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:56:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt" let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification. my market alt is in GSF and never undocks from 4-4. He then trades stuff to my npc alt, or if I am actually worried about getting stuff from there out (or lazy, usually lazy), I merely use pubbie courier contracts with excess collateral. At no point will I ever have a gsf character exposed to being ganked due to wardecs in empire. If you want to try to suicide my npc hauler, well you can do that, but that's irrelevant to wardecs.
Every so often a wardec will catch someone stupid, but all of our logistics as an alliance and as any major industrialist are designed around the assumption that GSF is always wardecced. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3471
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:57:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Weaselior wrote:if anyone's curious my npc hauler alt was osakran vosbosgernt (or something like that it's hard as hell to spell) for a long time, until i needed him in 0.0 (so now he has a GSF char history if anyone thinks to check and wants to try to suicide me, so I don't use him for actual npc hauiling)
i now have another one and use osakran every so often as a cloaked npc warpin on hulks
that's just one of my personal ones all people who do anything in empire have one Every little ibis or even just a pod. Be careful ~~~ miners started getting wise to pods and ibises but nobody's ever gotten wise to a blockade runner that doesn't decloak |
Nastrado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:57:00 -
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All this anger Jade. It can't be good for you. This obsession you have isn't healthy at all. Will you ever get over being kicked off the CSM? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
515
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:57:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Without radical improvement in the actual wardec mechanics (ie win conditions, attacker consequences, ways of tracking the result) there is no point to having mercenaries in a defensive war because they can only involve themselves in 2 week random stints and can do nothing to make the attacker actually lose. If the defender does actually pay a large amount of money to a merc for a defensive war the the attacker can score a "victory" simply by docking up or logging off or waiting out the 2 week period then continuing again.
Killboards, kill reports. Attacker loses when they have to surrender, or lose so many of their assets that they dissolve. Docking up is not a victory and can easily be resolved by re-deccing that person again.
Jade Constantine wrote: Point is there is nothing a merc can really do to oppose the incoming wardec. This is why in eve as a whole over the last five years the merc profession has become something that does specialized short order contract work rather than joining in on hisec wars. You hire mercs to blow up or defend a POS, you hire mercs to give you security for a big logistics move perhaps, you hire mercs to clear a system of enemy Customs offices. These are discrete jobs that can be judged on succeed/fail terms and can be paid for (usually wardec fee + bonus) if they are accomplished.
I think you don't understand what Merc's are actually for. Most of the descriptions you provide here are jobs that should be performed by different sections of an alliance, which is what CCP would like to see more of in high sec, Merc's would be hired for the dirty work. Or perhaps think of them as a stiletto blade for quick, accurate guerilla strikes.
Jade Constantine wrote: This 1.1 change assumption that people are suddenly going to start hiring professional mercs for billions into defensive wardecs to try to "win" wars is just nonsense and vapour. There aren't more than a handful of professional merc corp/alliances in the game at this point and none of them are capable of doing enough damage to a large alliance that said alliiance would remove a "griefing dec" from a particular target. It just isn't going to happen.
Supply and demand Jade, one of the most basic tenets of business. The more demand there is for Merc's, the more Merc corps will spring up to fill that need.
Jade Constantine wrote: GIANT WALL OF TEXT.
Meh. You win when your enemy admits defeat.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3471
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:59:00 -
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Also if you start thinking "well what about jump freighters!!": that's easy, you just use npc haulers to the lowsec midpoint and then trade over there. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1039
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:my market alt is in GSF and never undocks from 4-4. The joys of never undocking Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:01:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:most null sec corps do use Jita and other trade hubs... both to supply their efforts and sell products for good profits to a wider market. This does put them at risk during a wardec. war decs are just one tool against a null sec alliance. let me introduce you to this radical concept called "market alt" let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification. my market alt is in GSF and never undocks from 4-4. He then trades stuff to my npc alt, or if I am actually worried about getting stuff from there out (or lazy, usually lazy), I merely use pubbie courier contracts with excess collateral. At no point will I ever have a gsf character exposed to being ganked due to wardecs in empire. If you want to try to suicide my npc hauler, well you can do that, but that's irrelevant to wardecs. Every so often a wardec will catch someone stupid, but all of our logistics as an alliance and as any major industrialist are designed around the assumption that GSF is always wardecced.
as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see martek alts sitting in stations blowing up ships. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:05:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification.
hahaha
why do you insist on posting about subjects you clearly know nothing about? do you think you're going to trick people who actually do understand the topic?
so ridiculous
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