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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:10:00 -
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Ill say the same thing that I say every time somebody attacks U'K for not doing what they would like us to do regarding standings or ROE.
Diplomacy should be carried out through official channels, and not via IGS. If you simply want to make a grandstanding point and not actually address the problem, then this is probably the way to do it. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Would it not be reasonable to say that in the eyes of Star Fraction Garst Tyrell (the brigand, the wolfshead, the blackheart) is somewhat of an anarchist?
No.
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Geonin
Amarr No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Merdaneth Would it not be reasonable to say that in the eyes of Star Fraction Garst Tyrell (the brigand, the wolfshead, the blackheart) is somewhat of an anarchist?
No.
As if you still speak for the entire Star Fraction.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.03 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Geonin As if you still speak for the entire Star Fraction.
What is it to you worm?
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr Ordo Peregrinus
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith Ill say the same thing that I say every time somebody attacks U'K for not doing what they would like us to do regarding standings or ROE.
Diplomacy should be carried out through official channels, and not via IGS. If you simply want to make a grandstanding point and not actually address the problem, then this is probably the way to do it.
Wise words! -----
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Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 08:57:00 -
[36]
*Looks into the recorder*
Allegetions of me being a hypocrite, hiding behind CONCORD mechanicsms, being SF agent, few easy bush snipes and ofcourse Star Fraction and PIE doing their best to turn yet another thread into a propaganda tool against the other one.
I'll have to correct the start there into: "Baseless, unproven and unargued for Allegations."
I will assume none of you claims to be CVA representative?
So as my communication systems do not indicate any level of communication from CVA representatives.. Despite an expressed request for such, on their diplomatic channel.
And as I see no evidence of them here.
For now I come to the following conclusions on the matter:
1. CVA does not follow the laws itself proclaims to uphold.
2. CVA is whitewashing itself into a facade of respectability by Public Relations tools.
3. CVA should not receive any accolades for their Public Relations Stand of NRDS as clearly they have failed in upholding their own laws [or at the least are upholding them selectively].
4. Should anyone receive condemnations for being unlawful from CVA representatives or supporters thereof, silence is best established with a question: "Why is CVA welcoming Garst Tyrell and No.Mercy into CVA territory."
LS-S7 in these conclusions is not keeping CVA to our professed standards, rules or indeed opinions or interpretations. We are merely keeping them to their own Rules as stated.
One Notes that CVA is a Pirate Nation aligned with Amar Empire and more specifically with 24th Crusade. As such any supporters of CVA claiming anti-piratical stance are to be condemned. And it should be further noted that indeed any organisation professing to anti-piratical stance could use this line of argument for any and all forays into CVA space.
Untill such time comes that CVA representative address the matter sufficiently I consider the conclusions drawn final.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:01:00 -
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This isn't actually going to accomplish anything, you realize. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin This isn't actually going to accomplish anything, you realize.
I do realize it is highly unlikely that this will actually force any concessions [let alone action] from CVA.
However it does establish a stance where, for instance LS-S7 operatives [or indeed anyone], may aggress within CVA territories and still argue a case against allegetions of piracy.
- Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:13:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Graelyn on 04/12/2009 09:15:35
Argue all you want.
Let me know what the amazing results are. -------
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:39:00 -
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Interested commentators may note a couple of new No.Mercy wardecs issued last night:
Homewreckers Inc. 2 members. Highland Resource Allocation and Management 5 members.
Decs go live 00:25 tomorrow. I'd guess by the size and description of those corps it looks to be more hisec POS piracy from Garst Tyrell and No.Mercy.
I wonder if those corps are on the red list for the CVA?
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Chell Charon I do realize it is highly unlikely that this will actually force any concessions [let alone action] from CVA.
However it does establish a stance where, for instance LS-S7 operatives [or indeed anyone], may aggress within CVA territories and still argue a case against allegetions of piracy.
They can. It would be very stupid, flimsy, hypocritical, and taking advantage of a technicality at best, but they can. However I believe that CVA has already proven they don't give a damn what the rest of us think, so if you want to cut off what could potentially be a very profitable business venture then go ahead and declare them a 'Pirate Nation' for allowing a pirate corporation within their territory.
I heard somewhere that CVA has their own investigation seperate from PIE's on the matter. Perhaps it is not yet concluded. I don't know and I don't care enough to find out. That's your initiative now, go ask them in the proper channels and distribute the information gained publicly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Interested commentators may note a couple of new No.Mercy wardecs issued last night:
Homewreckers Inc. 2 members. Highland Resource Allocation and Management 5 members.
Decs go live 00:25 tomorrow. I'd guess by the size and description of those corps it looks to be more hisec POS piracy from Garst Tyrell and No.Mercy.
I wonder if those corps are on the red list for the CVA?
They must be, or perhaps they are supporting you?
Have you checked, it could be that some SF pilot has been in the same system with them?
Jakiin, do tell how I could possibly be harming my profits with any of this? Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.04 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
I heard somewhere that CVA has their own investigation seperate from PIE's on the matter. Perhaps it is not yet concluded. I don't know and I don't care enough to find out. That's your initiative now, go ask them in the proper channels and distribute the information gained publicly.
Anyone who has watched the CVA for a few years will know by this point that the organization does not care about piracy and ransoming committed by Providence bloc members outside of the boundaries of Providence. Why then should it bother to police an entity like No.Mercy that simply bullies no-name industrial outfits and steals their tower modules for beer money?
Only a real fool believes the cryto-NRDS nonsense spouted by the CVA publicists and the reality is that they provide a safe harbour and reactive standings enclosurist regime to protect pirates and raiders from the consequences of their aggression elsewhere in eve.
The fact they can do this and still convince people like you Jakiin that they are adopting a principled position is frankly bizarre and speaks nothing so loudly as the essential credulity of religious zealots.
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Thathanka
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Posted - 2009.12.04 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Thathanka on 04/12/2009 12:02:36
Originally by: Grr At this time Garst Tyrell and his corp are welcome in our territories.
We do not conduct diplomacy like this on public forums. If you wish to discuss the matter further visit our channel "CVA-Diplo"
If you wish to know more about our policies and answer some of your questions yourself our rules are stated clearly here:
http://www.cva-eve.org/
The typical inane drivel of a weak-minded, hypocritical fool. There's no reasoning with sc*m like this as they believe their own lies. Gunship diplomacy is the only solution left open to us.
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theRaptor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Thathanka Gunship diplomacy is the only solution left open to us.
Gunship diplomacy is the only form of diplomacy that matar understand, so this is hardly a surprising response.
I am also highly amused that those who oppose law and good order accuse the enforcers of law of harboring raiders and criminals. ---
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production |
Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Thathanka Gunship diplomacy is the only solution left open to us.
Gunship diplomacy is the only form of diplomacy that matar understand, so this is hardly a surprising response.
I am also highly amused that those who oppose law and good order accuse the enforcers of law of harboring raiders and criminals.
Well harboring raiders and criminals certainly does not shock anyone, if say Serpentis do it.
However when those "Enforcers of law" harbor them it certainly makes for an intresting way to "enforce" "the law", does it not? Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
theRaptor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.04 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chell Charon Well harboring raiders and criminals certainly does not shock anyone, if say Serpentis do it.
However when those "Enforcers of law" harbor them it certainly makes for an intresting way to "enforce" "the law", does it not?
Last I checked destroying criminal fronts and terrorist sympathisers does not make one a criminal. Generally in the Empire one is rewarded for such activities. I know you matar find it hard to grasp the concept of working for the common good.... ---
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 04/12/2009 17:08:49
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Interested commentators may note a couple of new No.Mercy wardecs issued last night:
Homewreckers Inc. 2 members. Highland Resource Allocation and Management 5 members.
Decs go live 00:25 tomorrow. I'd guess by the size and description of those corps it looks to be more hisec POS piracy from Garst Tyrell and No.Mercy.
I wonder if those corps are on the red list for the CVA?
Really? your grasping at straws here Jadder, your trying so hard I can see a vein popping on your forhead.
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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wayward Daughter on 04/12/2009 17:43:33
Originally by: Chell Charon
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Thathanka Gunship diplomacy is the only solution left open to us.
Gunship diplomacy is the only form of diplomacy that matar understand, so this is hardly a surprising response.
I am also highly amused that those who oppose law and good order accuse the enforcers of law of harboring raiders and criminals.
Well harboring raiders and criminals certainly does not shock anyone, if say Serpentis do it.
However when those "Enforcers of law" harbor them it certainly makes for an intresting way to "enforce" "the law", does it not?
Can you show us on the doll where the criminal touched you? No?
You accuse the esteemed CVA of bring silent on an issue, and of hiding the truth. You stand up and make a very loud noise on the IGS. And yet, you do not show us where the alleged wrong is actually a wrong. As I understand your stance, the "crime" committed here was a CONCORD-sanctioned declaration of war between two parties that was engaged fully outside of the jurisdiction of the Providence Holders. This breaks no law in any of the four Empires, nor does it to my knowledge go against any edict set forth by the Holders of Providence. Even if it did break some law, it is ultimately the choice of the governing body with the relevant jurisprudence to choose how and to what measure it will enforce the laws it decrees. Not yours.
You may call that a crime if you wish, and I may call you a furrier if I wish; neither statement is true, despite how loudly and profusely both of us may argue the case. The noise you're making on the IGS is convincing no one that there has been a crime committed here, because every law-upholding agency from the CONCORD Assembly down through the entire hierarchy of the Holy Amarr Empire and her servant the esteemed CVA outright disagrees with that conlusion. In a similar vein, no manner of yowling on the IGS will convince anyone that you are a furrier, because every practitioner of medicine or science would disagree with that conclusion. The crime you claim to exist, in fact, does not; the furrier I claim you to be, sadly, is a human with a very limited mental faculty. With neither evidence of crime nor furrier, I do not believe that either of us are in any position to clamor for justice based on the alleged existence of said crime or furrier.
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr Ordo Peregrinus
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 04/12/2009 18:00:51 Seriously! Is a little common sense too much to ask for these days?
1. Admiral Grr already gave you a channel where you can find her to discuss this. The reason you don't get answers is because you are asking in the wrong channel.
2. You expect everyone to come to you. Guess what?.. that's NOT how the world works. YOU want something, then YOU must go out and do something about it.
3. Being in the wrong channel, you are going to take a political stance based on the lack of answers while shouting in the desert? Good luck with that!
4. When someone doesn't respond to you that doesn't make you the winner of an argument. It only means that the argument never took place. In other words, you are talking to yourself.
5. When trying to start a debate, consider who you are talking to, and what weight your voice is going to carry. I for one don't make a habit of humoring every pilot that is fresh out of the academy for example. And I don't think I'm alone in that. While the CVA has been around for five years, and I'm pretty sure that it will survive this little rant.
5. When asking a question, consider what is in it for them? Especially if you are obviously biased against them. What is there to gain or to lose? Will the CVA suffer the wrath of your almighty corp? Will your mother call their mothers if they don't play nicely?
In short... THINK before you try something. -----
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Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:57:00 -
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Well another time around the diplo channel seems to yield some intresting results.
I managed to contact a person who actually was able to answer a few questions. (I will not copy the log, unless I need to prove something, say against claims of me being less than truthful about the contents of said discussion.)
So from that conversation.
CVA's stated stance: 1. For anything to happen further on this matter by CVA a KOS request needs to be filed. 1.A. KOS request requires a killmail.
So in order for CVA to investigate the matter someone with a killmail from a) killing or b) dying from the No.Mercy activity needs to take action.
Star Fraction, here's looking at you
However I did make one astute question(or maybe several), the diplomat that I discussed with did confirm that CVA and PIE have diplomatic relations and means of communication in place.
Now before you all go: "Really, you podling? Everybody knows that!" Let me get to the good part.
My contact was not aware of any communication from PIE to the CVA on this matter, in other words: It appears that PIE inc. has not informed CVA on anything concerning Garst Tyrell (and co.)
However it was stated that I was not discussing with someone actively handling communication between CVA and PIE. So we could wait to see if PIE pipes up.
-I do find the implications interesting though.
As side note, I did state that depending on developments on this matter I may end up eating some humble pie, publicly. Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.05 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Last I checked destroying criminal fronts and terrorist sympathisers does not make one a criminal. Generally in the Empire one is rewarded for such activities. I know you matar find it hard to grasp the concept of working for the common good....
I see. So, by that Logic it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to walk into... say... a Cathedral, gun down the priest and then claim that the Priest was a Terrorist Sympathiser without having any evidence at all to back up that claim?
Let me answer that one from the rational and sane point of view. No, It would not be acceptable. Without Solid and Irrefutable Evidence AND the Mandate to deliver justice in that specific matter, gunning down the priest would make the Assassin, a Murderer and A Terrorist himself.
There is a reason why people are employed and Trained by Governments to uphold the Law. In a Fair society, it is usually to prevent Miscarriages of Justice by Overenthusiastic Vigilantes.
However, even the idea of a Fair Society is an Idealistic Sentiment. It is unfortunately the nature of all Humans (Whether they be a Matari Tribesman, a Gallente Holo-Net Star, a Caldari Middle Manager or even an Amarrian Deacon) to seek to elevate themselves above their peers. Mix in a Dose of Authority and the Power to back up that Authority and you get situations where the Weak Willed fall to Corruption.
My Grandfather had a saying which seems very apt in describing this:-
"Power Corrupts, while Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely" ---------------
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theRaptor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.05 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 05/12/2009 09:25:01
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre I see. So, by that Logic it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to walk into... say... a Cathedral, gun down the priest and then claim that the Priest was a Terrorist Sympathiser without having any evidence at all to back up that claim?
Who says there is no evidence? Your problem is you presume that those loyal to the Empire would expose their methods and agents to follow the wording of the law and to slake the curiosity of terrorists and anarchists (who would only use such information to better disguise their next criminal front). CVA apparently have the evidence and are at this stage apparently satisfied.
Actions undertaken during a CONCORD sanctioned war are never criminal or else CONCORD are criminals themselves. Those who are the targets of such a war can undertake legal methods to obtain sanctuary should they feel the war is unjustified. Additionally many loyal servants of the Empire have been sanctioned to carry out Imperial mandate within and without the Empire. ---
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production |
Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.05 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chell Charon on 05/12/2009 09:58:09
Originally by: theRaptor Edited by: theRaptor on 05/12/2009 09:25:01 Actions undertaken during a CONCORD sanctioned war are never criminal or else CONCORD are criminals themselves. Those who are the targets of such a war can undertake legal methods to obtain sanctuary should they feel the war is unjustified. Additionally many loyal servants of the Empire have been sanctioned to carry out Imperial mandate within and without the Empire.
Originally by: Chell Charon Edited by: Chell Charon on 02/12/2009 23:04:28 "CONCORD sanctioned wars shall not release a pilot, corporation or alliance from adherence to the law " *cleaned up
That is the CVA law. So I would suggest if you are actually seeking to defend CVA you would atleast, read the accusations? Perhaps check that my representation of the rules is factual. Instead of spouting nonsense with no relation, correlation or indeed merit of anykind concerning the matter at hand.
*spelling correction Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
theRaptor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.05 13:00:00 -
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If you could grasp the basics of the case you would realise you have failed to prove that No.Mercy are in fact criminals and raiders, so that particular clause of CVA regulation is not applicable. As I said before it is unlikely that CVA will release the kind of intelligence that could have motivated No.Mercy to act because to do so would compromise the defence of the Empire.
Your shrill ranting on IGS is nothing more than an attempt to embarrass CVA into releasing said confidential information. ---
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production |
Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.05 13:31:00 -
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Excuse me? are you actually claiming that CVA has evidence against QP? And that their diplomatic representative lied when I was told that investigation on the matter will not happen untill such time as a KOS request is filed?
So according to you CVA has evidence, that would clear No.Mercy of any allegations of wrongdoing. But they will not release it because the awful unlawful TLF people would use the information gained to their advantage?
Sir, are you in habit of wearing tinfoil hats?
Actually something relating to the matter, a request for investigation was filed. I am not happy with how the paperwork ended up being as it was sent. But let us hope they'll be able to deciphere the meaning behind it. If not, then it just needs to refiled.
Intresting note: CVA systems still do not recognize No.Mercy. Direct KOS request on them is impossible. Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
Rinchi
Caldari Lead Invasion Team
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Posted - 2009.12.05 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chell Charon Edited by: Chell Charon on 05/12/2009 09:58:09
Originally by: theRaptor Edited by: theRaptor on 05/12/2009 09:25:01 Actions undertaken during a CONCORD sanctioned war are never criminal or else CONCORD are criminals themselves. Those who are the targets of such a war can undertake legal methods to obtain sanctuary should they feel the war is unjustified. Additionally many loyal servants of the Empire have been sanctioned to carry out Imperial mandate within and without the Empire.
Originally by: Chell Charon Edited by: Chell Charon on 02/12/2009 23:04:28 "CONCORD sanctioned wars shall not release a pilot, corporation or alliance from adherence to the law " *cleaned up
That is the CVA law. So I would suggest if you are actually seeking to defend CVA you would atleast, read the accusations? Perhaps check that my representation of the rules is factual. Instead of spouting nonsense with no relation, correlation or indeed merit of anykind concerning the matter at hand.
*spelling correction
What you seem to forget is that CVA is not responsible for actions taken outside Providence by pilots not a member of a CVA or holder corp. CVA is not an inter-galactic peace force. Whether No.Mercy was or was not engaging in wars outside Providence is of no concern to them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.05 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rinchi What you seem to forget is that CVA is not responsible for actions taken outside Providence by pilots not a member of a CVA or holder corp. CVA is not an inter-galactic peace force. Whether No.Mercy was or was not engaging in wars outside Providence is of no concern to them.
Allow me to point you at my first post in this thread that directly references the CVA mission statement proclaiming its opposition to "piracy in the empire".
Either the CVA mission statement is wrong or you are.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.05 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 05/12/2009 18:49:46
Originally by: theRaptor Who says there is no evidence? Your problem is you presume that those loyal to the Empire would expose their methods and agents to follow the wording of the law and to slake the curiosity of terrorists and anarchists (who would only use such information to better disguise their next criminal front). CVA apparently have the evidence and are at this stage apparently satisfied.
Actions undertaken during a CONCORD sanctioned war are never criminal or else CONCORD are criminals themselves. Those who are the targets of such a war can undertake legal methods to obtain sanctuary should they feel the war is unjustified. Additionally many loyal servants of the Empire have been sanctioned to carry out Imperial mandate within and without the Empire.
Who Says?
Hmmmm, that would be PIE Inc. who, in the course of their own investigation found no evidence to back up the Claims by No.Mercy that Quebec Power were supporting either Star Fraction or the TLF. Now, if you're saying that you know for Certain that CVA have evidence to the Contrary then I'd be curious as to why this evidence hadn't come to light over the last few weeks.
Personally, I'm more of the opinion that the reason is that no such evidence exists and that CVA, rightly, did not wish to be drawn into this matter publically.
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Let me put this to you another way. I will claim, here and now, that YOU are a Terrorist Sympathiser. I will provide No Evidence to either back up nor Refute this claim.
Now, is the Onus on me to prove that you are? Or on you to prove that you are Not?
From the PIE Investigation, the Onus was on No.Mercy to prove that QP were what they claimed them to be, in that matter they failed spectacularly.
So, following the same protocol, it would be up to me to prove that you are a Terrorist Sympathiser, my word alone would not be enough.
As it stands, I have no such evidence so cannot prove that. However, this was always just a hypothetical example.
*Gabriel Smiles before continuing*
Besides, to pick at a different point. I don't expect to know the methods used.
What I do expect is, if an organisation is going to publically lay out the principles that they will govern their territory by, then they should be willing to uphold those principles without Bias to whom they apply to.
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Let me quote the relevant sections from the Rules of Providence, as set down by CVA Themselves.
"No pilot, corporation or alliance shall extort, blackmail or give ransoms"
"No pilot, corporation or alliance shall initiate an attack against another unless that pilot, corporation or alliance is expressly wanted on the Deliverance KOS List"
"Corporations shall be held accountable for the actions of their pilots and Alliances shall be held accountable for the actions of their corporations"
"CONCORD sanctioned wars shall not release a pilot, corporation or alliance from adherence to the law"
Evidence was revealed to show that No.Mercy Pilots were clearly in breach of the first. By the Third, this would make No.Mercy as a Corporation in breach. The Fourth merely shows that a CONCORD Wardec is not a Valid excuse for breaching any of the other rules.
The Second cannot be proven by anyone outside CVA at the moment specifically as the Fluid Router Link to the KOS list from the Public Information Site (This would be this KOS List) would appear to require maintainence.
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To the person in the OP, I would suggest you follow Admiral Grr's Suggestion. From the CVA Public Site, the person you would wish to speak with would likely be Equinox Daedalus as he is listed as being the CVA Contact for Standings/KOS Matters, however that information may be out of date and another may have been designated as handling that role ---------------
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theRaven
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: theRaven on 05/12/2009 19:32:59 *garbled transmission*
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