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themaker1971
Minmatar BlackSite Prophecy 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 20:29:00 -
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Anyone got any fits for this with Dominion specs? PVE only.
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Kirzath
Blackwater Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.02 20:38:00 -
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Use a Caracal instead for better performance at a fraction of the price.
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themaker1971
Minmatar BlackSite Prophecy 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 20:46:00 -
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I already have a hookbill sitting around. Was given one a year ago.
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Kirzath
Blackwater Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.02 20:48:00 -
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Ok, look at this then:
Quote: [Caldari Navy Hookbill, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 1MN Afterburner II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Azeotropic EM Ward Salubrity Domination Stasis Webifier
Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
The shiny faction modules are out of necessity. Even with that fit, it barely has any spare grid or CPU to speak of. The Hookbill is garbage.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:21:00 -
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The Hookbills 'problem' is that its designed to use lolockets.
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, lolockets!] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:43:00 -
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It's a more expensive Hawk. Yes, you heard me, I'd actually rather fly a Hawk over this trash. That's how bad the post-domi Hookbill is. I actually kinda preferred the old one.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington It's a more expensive Hawk. Yes, you heard me, I'd actually rather fly a Hawk over this trash. That's how bad the post-domi Hookbill is. I actually kinda preferred the old one.
If it had like 20 or 30 more CPU it would be a decent frig for killing other frigs.
As its now, its not all that good.
The reason is that its supposed to use lots of nice ewar stuffs in the mids, but with no CPU it can not. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:16:00 -
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I have never flown this ship before, but i will be purchasing one! So i will be losing it to some random blob! Now this setup is pretty pimped out for my taste but whatever...
120/Dps 264/volly 7767/ehp and can tank 58/dps for as long as my cap last = )
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Pimp] Internal Force Field Array I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II 1MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Small Core Defence Field Extender II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.12.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
Internal Force Field Array I
Sorry for being a noob, but what does this module do?
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude |
Snow Banshee
Amarr Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.12.03 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Internal Force Field Array I
Sorry for being a noob, but what does this module do?
best named damage control. People use this over t2 when short of cpu. It cost much more and is not good at t2, but saved a lot of cpu.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.03 09:48:00 -
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The new Hookbill really is a strong contender to take the Hawk's "Worst Ship in Game" title.
WTF is the point of giving a ship 5 medslots for all sorts of nice ewar mods etc, and then not the CPU to actually fit anything there?
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.12.03 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 03/12/2009 16:43:00
Originally by: Proxyyyy Random Hookbill fit
Hawk is almost as good all round (2 less dps and actually tanks more) and costs about half as much. Not that I'd recommend either, when the Harpy outdamages and out-tanks both by around double. Oh also lol at the rage rockets, have fun getting chewed up by frigates.
Quote: The new Hookbill really is a strong contender to take the Hawk's "Worst Ship in Game" title. WTF is the point of giving a ship 5 medslots for all sorts of nice ewar mods etc, and then not the CPU to actually fit anything there?
Also this. It'd be a passable standard missile boat if it had better fittings but no... it's worthless. Again I actually think it was better the way it was, which is kinda sad really.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:28:00 -
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Good news everyone! I have purchased a navy hookbill! I hope to destroy alot of ships before it goes, but knowing me ill prolly lose it tryna solo a blob! Anyways im gunna try real hard to keep it alive and will be linking any kills or losses with the new hookbill, along with comments on its preformance and my fit...
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Proxyyyy on 06/12/2009 02:29:50 Rocket/Hookbill update! Just had this fight 2 mins ago, realy close one i was in 40% armor...
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5120521
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:01:00 -
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CCP ruined the hookbill just like they ruined the navy caracal when they tinkered with that.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran CCP ruined the hookbill just like they ruined the navy caracal when they tinkered with that.
How is it ruined if im destroying ships with it? Not to mention alot of pilots have never flown a rocket base ship... Take it out and fly it before you pass judgment!
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.12.07 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy Edited by: Proxyyyy on 06/12/2009 02:29:50 Rocket/Hookbill update! Just had this fight 2 mins ago, realy close one i was in 40% armor...
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5120521
I am honestly surprised that you won this; heavy EM damage from turrets + AB to mitigate rocket damage seems like the ideal (close-range) ship to fight a hookbill with; I guess the low (relatively speaking) kinetic resist was what did it?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Proxyyyy Edited by: Proxyyyy on 06/12/2009 02:29:50 Rocket/Hookbill update! Just had this fight 2 mins ago, realy close one i was in 40% armor...
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5120521
I am honestly surprised that you won this; heavy EM damage from turrets + AB to mitigate rocket damage seems like the ideal (close-range) ship to fight a hookbill with; I guess the low (relatively speaking) kinetic resist was what did it?
Tbh, this is the expected outcome from a properly fitted Hookbill.
Hookbills real problem lies in it low CPU, other then that it has a likable design. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:58:00 -
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Hookbill has the same DPS as a Kestrel. And, stupidly, even worse fitting problems, because the extra CPU it gets doesn't come close to compensating for the extra slots.
That Jaguar has AB and disruptor, an odd combination. I'm guessing that it couldn't close quickly enough to apply its turret DPS soon enough, although it's hard to guess when we don't know what combination of MWD, AB and tackle the Hookbill had.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.08 02:37:00 -
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Just wanted to post an update on the performance of the new hookbill. I will also be posting my fit in about a week or so, because i will be reaching the 10 kill quota quicker than expected...
Rocket/Hookbill v Ab/taranis
This was a fight ive been waiting for awhile! Im sure i would beat a duel prop ranis or a Mwd fitted ranis but not an ab ranis, so this was a surprise!
http://proxyyyy.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5133494
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Annie Anomie
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.08 02:44:00 -
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Damn son. How close was that ranis fight? :D
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.08 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Annie Anomie Damn son. How close was that ranis fight? :D
OMG ANNIE I LOVE U! BRO! I was hella scared! I thought i was done for tbh! I knew he had an ab when he approached. I never thought i would win that fight, but my fit is hella sexy!
I won in 30% shields = ) my heart was racing like it hasnt in awhile! I gotta stop flying faction ships theyre gunna give me a heart attack = (
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.08 08:21:00 -
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That's a nice kill. An active-tanked AB Taranis is a tough opponent for a rocket ship.
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 08:41:00 -
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Ship sucks. All that ISK used on a Hookbill would have been better off used on a majority of other ships.
May be viable come Rocket buff which is SoonÖ. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.08 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 08/12/2009 09:05:52
Originally by: Intigo Ship sucks. All that ISK used on a Hookbill would have been better off used on a majority of other ships.
May be viable come Rocket buff which is SoonÖ.
Not really true that. The Hookbill, despite its lack of CPU, can be nice if you use a whole lot of named items.
On Sisi (yeah yeah, I know, 'lol Sisi', but stil a decent test platform) I used this to fight other AFs, Intys etc before dominion launch:
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Hookbill] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I
It did very well actually. Two webs makes rockets happy and actually apply most of its dps. Still, rocket dps is a tad lacking, but dual webs is awesome. Against minmatar it more fun since they are weak against kinetic, and their speed is neutralized by two webs. And to thoose who just tank more on it, don't, 1 MSE and DC is sufficient, ewar is more importent, thats the new hookbills strengt (and that when you notice its horrible lack of CPU as well, forcing you away from T2).
I have not come around to test it on TQ yet as I have been doing other 0.0 stuff recently, but I will get to it soon :P.
Also looking forward to seeing the other guys fit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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AmarrVictor
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: AmarrVictor on 08/12/2009 10:39:06 [Caldari Navy Hookbill, New Setup 1] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II
Small Core Defence Field Purger I Small Core Defence Field Purger I Small Core Defence Field Purger I
Thats a pvp fit but for pve swap your scram out for an x5.
You get a passive tank of 100 dps with this so in a pvp situation just use javelin rockets and overload your ab to stop the higher damage ranis' getting to full damage and you should win pretty often.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:56:00 -
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my eyes oh god no
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 08/12/2009 09:05:52
Originally by: Intigo Ship sucks. All that ISK used on a Hookbill would have been better off used on a majority of other ships.
May be viable come Rocket buff which is SoonÖ.
Not really true that. The Hookbill, despite its lack of CPU, can be nice if you use a whole lot of named items.
On Sisi (yeah yeah, I know, 'lol Sisi', but stil a decent test platform) I used this to fight other AFs, Intys etc before dominion launch:
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Hookbill] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I
It did very well actually. Two webs makes rockets happy and actually apply most of its dps. Still, rocket dps is a tad lacking, but dual webs is awesome. Against minmatar it more fun since they are weak against kinetic, and their speed is neutralized by two webs. And to thoose who just tank more on it, don't, 1 MSE and DC is sufficient, ewar is more importent, thats the new hookbills strengt (and that when you notice its horrible lack of CPU as well, forcing you away from T2).
I have not come around to test it on TQ yet as I have been doing other 0.0 stuff recently, but I will get to it soon :P.
Also looking forward to seeing the other guys fit.
Sid you let the cat out of the bag, very good call bro! I am using duel webs...
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:22:00 -
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That's basically the fit that I'd use as well. Good to see that we're on the same wavelength.
Assuming that rockets get fixed in such a way the a second web isn't essential, there are some interesting options open, such as dual-prop, TD or just sticking with the second web for range control. CPU permitting, of course.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:23:00 -
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Well since you have figured out or got some intel on my fit! Maybe from the tuskers public? Ill just post my fit now. I can honestly say that the duel webs didnt much ad alot more dps than already was there with a single web. When i theory crafted this fit i wanted to use the duel webs to enable me to kite every and any frig if necessary. The added buff to missile damage from what i saw was like an increase of like 2 - 3 dps tbh! Atleast from looking at the logs that is. I would also like to add that this character doesnt have max missiles skills and is skilled way more in the use of turrents and drons than missiles.
116/Dps 231/Volly 1219m/sec 6859/ehp
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Hookbill/Rocket] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
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