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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Stevakis on 07/12/2009 01:45:09
*applause for Ankhesentapemkah and Gangleri*
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Question for the people here. Do you think that FW is salvagable, as in, can it work if there are some tweaks and rebalances? Or are the mechanics so fundamentally broken, that all of it should be sent back to the drawing board?
Back to the drawing board. Even giving LP for the plexes will not work. Defensive plexing can and will still be done with alts and plexing in general has little to do with PVP. The system needs to be reworked completely, and be more PVP-centric instead of encouraging all this filthy metagaming.
Edit: Support thread
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:25:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Neu Bastian 3 systems fallen in a day. it usually takes anyone on the Amarr/Minmatar side weeks to get a single system.
Go ahead CCP, tell me this s*** is not game breaking. :(
The cloaking exploit was not game breaking enough to warrant a fix for 4 months.
The lag wasn't serious enough to warrant a fix for 6 months.
The timer exploit is not game breaking enough, and still not fixed after 8 months.
The FW missions were fixed in Dominion oh wait...
After a year, kills give Loyalty Points may sometimes give LP but most of the time they don't.
The FW plex spawn mechanics will be fixed right after Apocrypha Soon(TM).
Alliances may participate in Factional Warfare in Empyrean Age 1.2, Quantum Rise, Q1 2009, Right after Apocrypha, Someday.
The CSM has raised the lack of development and bug fixes several times. I did, Erik did, Z0D will likely be raising this very topic as well. CCP just doesn't think FW is important.
I wholeheartedly support this topic, and think BOTH the rats and these standing mechanics should be fixed.
However, I have no illusion that CCP cares about, or even knows of, the near exploit tactics used to capture these systems which completely remove the pvp from factional warfare. As shown in the list of issues ankh listed.
Minnie/amarr, enjoy the exploits and army of alts we've been dealing with for a long time now.
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Dantalus Portos
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:50:00 -
[123]
I cannot add much more than Gangleri has already set out.
The decision by Gangleri and the Command staff of 1PG was actually quite easy to make.
The news of systems falling makes us all feel very hollow at the moment after the many enjoyable and engaging battles we have had to date in FW.
There is simply no nobility in what is currently happening. The use of the exploit is not welcome.
Amarr Victor, but at what cost..?
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:56:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Unfamed II on 07/12/2009 02:58:04
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Neu Bastian 3 systems fallen in a day. it usually takes anyone on the Amarr/Minmatar side weeks to get a single system.
Go ahead CCP, tell me this s*** is not game breaking. :(
The cloaking exploit was not game breaking enough to warrant a fix for 4 months.
The lag wasn't serious enough to warrant a fix for 6 months.
The timer exploit is not game breaking enough, and still not fixed after 8 months.
The FW missions were fixed in Dominion oh wait...
After a year, kills give Loyalty Points may sometimes give LP but most of the time they don't.
The FW plex spawn mechanics will be fixed right after Apocrypha Soon(TM).
Alliances may participate in Factional Warfare in Empyrean Age 1.2, Quantum Rise, Q1 2009, Right after Apocrypha, Someday.
The CSM has raised the lack of development and bug fixes several times. I did, Erik did, Z0D will likely be raising this very topic as well. CCP just doesn't think FW is important.
I wholeheartedly support this topic, and think BOTH the rats and these standing mechanics should be fixed.
However, I have no illusion that CCP cares about, or even knows of, the near exploit tactics used to capture these systems which completely remove the pvp from factional warfare. As shown in the list of issues ankh listed.
Minnie/amarr, enjoy the exploits and army of alts we've been dealing with for a long time now.
I find your reply rather funny, considering we got the idea from Ankh and Val. We just made their methods public knowledge. Edit: something -b |
Grr
Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:32:00 -
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A great man once said "I would rather lose this stupid war than lose our standards" just before he steered the focus of our corp outside the whole FW arena and let me bring it into CVA.
Nothing has changed, I will condem the recent exploitation of the system to capture solar systems and echo Gangleri's words that CCP need to get their act together on this one.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 03:39:00 -
[126]
Edited by: chatgris on 07/12/2009 04:24:23
Originally by: Unfamed II I find your reply rather funny, considering we got the idea from Ankh and Val. We just made their methods public knowledge. Edit: something
I joined fw rather late in the game, to non-existent plexes during my TZ and alt corps (lol throne guards) that warp away the second my lone frigate enters the plex with uber rats spawned on their side. If they started it, you guys sure perfected it on a mass industrial scale, as I saw far more noob alts plexing on the caldari side than the gallente in my roams in US TZ fw space.
When I was finally figuring out fw mechanics, ankh herself switched to the CALDARI side, was previously on the amarr side, so I am rather amused at this whole "ankh and her gallente doing these plex exploits" theme. Agreed though that the standing mechanic in plexes is lame, whoever uses it.
Regardless, I don't want to hijack this thread with another gal/cal fw plex ****ing in the wind, especially since most of the proposals I've seen from you on the forums I've agreed with.
Lets let the amarr and minmatar have their glorious exploit ridden ****ing in the wind contests now. Or, just have them blame the caldari works too ;)
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Lost InCogneto
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:23:00 -
[127]
For over a year now I have seen the Amarr call out for changes to FW and these calls falling on deaf ears.
I find it sad that only now when these bugs and loop holes are bringing down Minmatar systems that the crys now get louder.
I rejoice that finially these voices will be loud enough that they may be heard and changes could be made.
While some ends do not justify the means it is a means that will now echo what needs to be done and should have been done from the start.
I will support this as long as CCP draws the most experianced members of faction wars and are bought together to fix what needs to be fixing.
I pray that faction wars the unwanted child of eve will now be givin the love it craves.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.12.07 06:14:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Unfamed II Edited by: Unfamed II on 07/12/2009 02:58:04
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Neu Bastian 3 systems fallen in a day. it usually takes anyone on the Amarr/Minmatar side weeks to get a single system.
Go ahead CCP, tell me this s*** is not game breaking. :(
The cloaking exploit was not game breaking enough to warrant a fix for 4 months.
The lag wasn't serious enough to warrant a fix for 6 months.
The timer exploit is not game breaking enough, and still not fixed after 8 months.
The FW missions were fixed in Dominion oh wait...
After a year, kills give Loyalty Points may sometimes give LP but most of the time they don't.
The FW plex spawn mechanics will be fixed right after Apocrypha Soon(TM).
Alliances may participate in Factional Warfare in Empyrean Age 1.2, Quantum Rise, Q1 2009, Right after Apocrypha, Someday.
The CSM has raised the lack of development and bug fixes several times. I did, Erik did, Z0D will likely be raising this very topic as well. CCP just doesn't think FW is important.
I wholeheartedly support this topic, and think BOTH the rats and these standing mechanics should be fixed.
However, I have no illusion that CCP cares about, or even knows of, the near exploit tactics used to capture these systems which completely remove the pvp from factional warfare. As shown in the list of issues ankh listed.
Minnie/amarr, enjoy the exploits and army of alts we've been dealing with for a long time now.
I find your reply rather funny, considering we got the idea from Ankh and Val. We just made their methods public knowledge. Edit: something
I hadnt realized I was the most important person to you guys in FW.
That creating one alt would lead you to abandon your so dearly held principals and noble purposes. After all this was as Damar said '// A desperate measure on your parts....you absolutely had to do it ....
As someone told me once... these are just excuses
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.07 06:30:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Dantalus Portos I cannot add much more than Gangleri has already set out.
The decision by Gangleri and the Command staff of 1PG was actually quite easy to make.
The news of systems falling makes us all feel very hollow at the moment after the many enjoyable and engaging battles we have had to date in FW.
There is simply no nobility in what is currently happening. The use of the exploit is not welcome.
Amarr Victor, but at what cost..?
It;s quiet statements such as this that are the most significant not least because they do not seek the limelight, just what is right. Thx 1PG, you stand head and shoulders above your peers . o7 --------------------------------------------
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Jolla Skyia
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Posted - 2009.12.07 06:51:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Jolla Skyia on 07/12/2009 06:55:55 Edited by: Jolla Skyia on 07/12/2009 06:55:33
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 05/12/2009 18:27:58 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 03/12/2009 17:56:24 Fully supported.
And I know why this thread is here. It is because it is what we do in Matar space right now.
However, according to CCP and ex-CSM members (Of ZoD's party) it is working as intended. We asked CCP two months ago if this is exploit or bug and would they mind if we used it against Matar. Answer was outright "No, go ahead".
Now, let me state clearly. This tactic is incredibly lame, broken and stupid. And in fact I feel dirty for doing it.
Because we did not get our candidate into CSM who would have wanted to fix the issues. We dont belive Ankh's party would since she was happy to use this tactic.
We are simply going to make this issue so big and broken that CCP has to take action and correct the FW bugs, this included which Gallente still uses against us, along with bug that causes friendly npc to open fire on friendly militia, also used by Gallente.
Thank you.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Translation.. We know we can't do it any other way so we have to use exploits that everyone knows is an exploit and everyone thinks is lame. Howevr because CCP says it's ok simple because they don't care about FW, we will do it.
We will then come on the forums and support a proposed change because we know by the time CCP gets around to changing it we will already have taken all the system using it.
This means we get another medal and can brag on the board saying how great we are.. Meanwhile we can turn around as say.. Hey we really supported the change.....
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.07 07:49:00 -
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The way things are, occupany means nothing....
...except to RPers.
This is where I then give my thanks to 1PG for showing their non-support of this immersion-breaking mechanic.
How are we supposed to RP this? "The Amarr-Minmatar front was in a deep stalemate until an armada of un-armed Caldari ships, who happened to bribe all our officials into setting the systems to vulnerable, decended upon our systems."
Yet there's going to be IG repercussions for this. The Amarr will get a big pat on the back and the Empress will say they're amazing and Amarrians will feel great that they were able to piggy-back their way to victory thanks to an exploit.
People who have put over a year of work into maintaining Minmatar occupancy are being slapped across the face by Damar & co. This mechanic was rarely, if ever used on the Minmatar-Amarr front. For the most part, we have maintained some honor for eachother.
While FW is FUBAR, this is unacceptable. I have already spoken with Damar, and he tried to justify himself in every whichway possible.
Justification is easy. I stole candy from a baby because I was hungry.
If you choose to be an asswipe, you're not the first. You think this will make CCP change, it won't. FW is a small base of their players when juxtaposed to empire care-bears and 0.0 hermits. We are not even on their radar. There are Amarrians who still don't even know that it's thanks to you they've capped over 5 systems in the past 24 hrs. They don't stop to wonder why all of a sudden our systems have been heavily contested in a matter of hours, but blow up the bunkers cuz they think it's FW. (I should take this time to mention there needs to be a global notification to the home militia when their systems go vulnerable).
Anyways, just wanted to let you know you've illegitimized this games RP and future PF for me. Thanks for acheiving a whole lot in terms of ruining my personal game experience. ------------------------------------------------
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Merdaneth
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 07:52:00 -
[132]
FW has many oddities, bugs and poor game mechanics. The longer the game draws on (especially for those in FW a long time) they become more noticeable and more irritating.
The Minmatar had the advantage of the speed tanking bug, while the Amarr had the advantage with the post-DT bug, while both could (and did) make use of the timer-bug.
Since these strategies were effectively dictated by game mechanics they could not be countered through in-game means. Many players on both sides felt aggravated by these bugs, and felt justified in making use of them because they felt 'the other side both' gained an unfair advantage through use of these bugs.
The 'standings' bug we are talking about here has existed since the beginning of FW. It is now a problem because of the industrial scale on which it is used. A scale with upset that delicate balance in the Amarr/Minmatar conflict. *That* is the problem.
If an army of speed tanking alts had come out and started to capture Amarr plexes by the hundreds, I have no doubt the problem would be just as large. Such strategies are not simply not counterable within normal gameplay.
FW has many large and interrelated problems, and I would like to see them solved, but I honestly think that as long as CCP sees us getting by with all these problems, they won't be motivated to change a thing.
Perhaps it is time for this war to end. Perhaps stagnation will motivate CCP to undertake action. However, perhaps it will convince CCP to just abandon FW altogether and FW will end up as a kind of Red-vs-Blue with faction flavor and LP farming. That's a risk of the current strategy, but just plodding on isn't going to change anything.
Having faction warfare being 'won' simply isn't good PR to convince newer players to join it, and those player experiences are what CCP cares about deeply. Us 'addicted' old vets will likely stay on anyway to CCP.
I would vastly prefer a reset with new and more interesting mechanics rather than plodding on for years with tiny fixes to flawed warfare concepts. It's been fun, but its time for a good overhaul.
IC for me it is simple, I follow orders, and unless my orders tell me to stop fighting I can't. Only reasonable way I have of not participating is not logging in or leaving my corp.
People are angry, people are frustrated, people are disappointed. Let us not forget that dubious game mechanics are to blame for most of this, and not the people making use of them. I can no more be angry at Damar for using this (CCP approved) bug than angry at SF for selectively war-deccing militia corps or Matari plexers speed tanking Amarr plexes. I'm angry at CCP for allowing such mechanics in the first place and not doing anything about them for such a long time.
I'm happy CCP solved the desync problems, but other than that I've not seen any significant positive changes to FW. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor The way things are, occupany means nothing....
...except to RPers.
Eran, I have not been able to properly RP many things in FW. How can I RP the order to find and 'capture' still cloaked friendly plexes in so called pile-up systems that are still uncontested? "Yes, go out and find and uncloak or secret defensive installations in systems that are not under attack'. Even the message from the navy (and lack of standings) says me that this defense was unneccessary, but from a in-game standpoint, it certainly was.
"Yes sir, the mighty Amarr Empire has fallen to a swarm of unarmed Vigils in the hands of junior pod pilots" That's just as bad, however, but it is the reality.
"Commander Merdaneth, your presence is required right after prayer time, if you are not there, you will never be able to assist us in capturing systems bunkers or fight decisive battles" I mean, wtf!
Quote: People who have put over a year of work into maintaining Minmatar occupancy are being slapped across the face by Damar & co. This mechanic was rarely, if ever used on the Minmatar-Amarr front. For the most part, we have maintained some honor for eachother.
They are slapped in the face by CCP. Damar is merely one bringing the bad news. It is difficult to wage a war dominated by faulty game mechanics in such a way that the warring parties need a kind of "gentleman's agreement" not to fully make use of the strategies available to them.
Damar is angry at CCP for their lack of attention to FW, for their insistence clear gameplay gaffes are really 'working as intended', he, more than anything, wants to fight this FW war, although mechanics make it something of a farce.
Would you think CCP would fix the one-click-alliance-disband button, if there wouldn't have been any scandals and uproar involving it?
I don't believe Damar will achieve to get CCP to fix things on a short notice. Maybe he'll (and we through our anger and frustration at what his happening) will achieve CCP to hear the issues on the table. Maybe not, and in that case it will have been a bitter pill to swallow. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Noize Controller
The Outside Agency
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:26:00 -
[134]
/supported . It's time for things to change. Seriously CCP... You are alone in this limbo and god is not here |
Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:45:00 -
[135]
This has my support. |
Insa Rexion
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:48:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Insa Rexion on 07/12/2009 08:48:54
Originally by: Merdaneth FW has many oddities, bugs and poor game mechanics. The longer the game draws on (especially for those in FW a long time) they become more noticeable and more irritating.
The Minmatar had the advantage of the speed tanking bug, while the Amarr had the advantage with the post-DT bug, while both could (and did) make use of the timer-bug.
Since these strategies were effectively dictated by game mechanics they could not be countered through in-game means. Many players on both sides felt aggravated by these bugs, and felt justified in making use of them because they felt 'the other side both' gained an unfair advantage through use of these bugs.
The 'standings' bug we are talking about here has existed since the beginning of FW. It is now a problem because of the industrial scale on which it is used. A scale with upset that delicate balance in the Amarr/Minmatar conflict. *That* is the problem.
If an army of speed tanking alts had come out and started to capture Amarr plexes by the hundreds, I have no doubt the problem would be just as large. Such strategies are not simply not counterable within normal gameplay.
FW has many large and interrelated problems, and I would like to see them solved, but I honestly think that as long as CCP sees us getting by with all these problems, they won't be motivated to change a thing.
Perhaps it is time for this war to end. Perhaps stagnation will motivate CCP to undertake action. However, perhaps it will convince CCP to just abandon FW altogether and FW will end up as a kind of Red-vs-Blue with faction flavor and LP farming. That's a risk of the current strategy, but just plodding on isn't going to change anything.
Having faction warfare being 'won' simply isn't good PR to convince newer players to join it, and those player experiences are what CCP cares about deeply. Us 'addicted' old vets will likely stay on anyway to CCP.
I would vastly prefer a reset with new and more interesting mechanics rather than plodding on for years with tiny fixes to flawed warfare concepts. It's been fun, but its time for a good overhaul.
IC for me it is simple, I follow orders, and unless my orders tell me to stop fighting I can't. Only reasonable way I have of not participating is not logging in or leaving my corp.
People are angry, people are frustrated, people are disappointed. Let us not forget that dubious game mechanics are to blame for most of this, and not the people making use of them. I can no more be angry at Damar for using this (CCP approved) bug than angry at SF for selectively war-deccing militia corps or Matari plexers speed tanking Amarr plexes. I'm angry at CCP for allowing such mechanics in the first place and not doing anything about them for such a long time.
I'm happy CCP solved the desync problems, but other than that I've not seen any significant positive changes to FW.
What a shame the rest of your corp don't see things the same way, one can hardly move on the IGS without stumbling into a post from a PIE pilot crowing about victories handed to them by the caldari using broken mechanics. It's really rather pathetic, perhaps you should tell them to take a leaf out 1PG's book if you want PIE to retain any credibilty after this debacle is over. --------------------------------------------
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.07 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Z0D I do think that allies should be able to capture eachother's plexes without being shot at by NPCs.
If Caldari alts should be allowed to capture Minmatar plexes without Minmatar NPCs shooting at them, then I should be able to gank Badgers in Jita without CONCORD shooting at me.
Supporting OP, plexing is completley broken with this 'feature' included.
Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.07 09:05:00 -
[138]
It's an exploit. IC I love it, but OOC it's cheap. Do something CCP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
A'rdan Vulpayne
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.07 09:14:00 -
[139]
Edited by: A''rdan Vulpayne on 07/12/2009 09:14:57 I think it is the time for a fast and particularly drastic response by CCP this time. Please dont take to much time to fix this predicament!
Thank you!
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Chell Charon
The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas
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Posted - 2009.12.07 09:42:00 -
[140]
OOC: Supported
IC: Might be time to "poison the well" Commander Charon Of LS-S7 |
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Lord Meriak
Amarr Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:16:00 -
[141]
Bugs in game our never very good ..
However let face it the mins have been using bugs from day1 of fw. timer bug most often used. The mins still have numbers over the amarr + other corp support.
You can still plex and run them out like any other player. for now get on with it.
You have also use player with good amarr standing in plex . but have been chased off. You have the chance to fleet up and take us out at bunkers as well. but as ever u dont.
CRY MR A RIVER SOME WHERE ELSE
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Tosi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:19:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Val Erian I hadnt realized I was the most important person to you guys in FW.
At least you have done something in gallente :)
Originally by: Merdaneth I would vastly prefer a reset with new and more interesting mechanics rather than plodding on for years with tiny fixes to flawed warfare concepts. It's been fun, but its time for a good overhaul.
This would be nice, but only after complete rehaul. but i wonder what would be roleplaying explanation :>
---- -Bad Messenger doesn't actually write on forums, the words assemble themselves out of fear.
Mahooky Dowripple > I vote tosi for breakfast
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:24:00 -
[143]
PERVS, Damar and Emperor Throne Guards has never used any exploits.
Using alt to defend is not an exploit.
Using standing advantage may be lame but it is not an exploit. This standing thing is used on minmatar front in many different forms, especially by minmatar friends.
You have to realize that those alts do not find plexes automatically, those must be controlled by player still. So capturing 6 systems in one day do need lot of effort and gametime from many players. So you can counter this by plexing defence plexes more than we do attack plexes or you can kill us all again and again.
Problem is that no one cares to do boring part of fw.
You want that you can keep systems sitting in station and undocking only when you get kills. That is not possible now on minmatar front, you have to do work, a lot of work and that is what Caldari does, nonstop plexing.
Systems are not flipping because there is some 'bug', they are flipping because Caldari is attacking.
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Helena C
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Helena C on 07/12/2009 11:35:34
Originally by: Nephilim Xeno this op is a bit too one sided in favour to the minmatar for me to support, maybe someone should make a more neutral issue.
FW needs a complete overhaul. wardeccing, high sec security, plexes, missions and even system layout of the amarr/minamtar warzone.
we need Faction Warfare MkII
small fixes wont do much
"Neutral" like your neutral alt whom remote reps you in every engagement? I'm sorry but you are one of the last people whom need to be speaking out against exploits.
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Neo Gabriel
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:40:00 -
[145]
I know it's lame, but I am finding this situation awkwardly funny.
A few guys with an army of ALT-TAB alts was able to quickly overturn the course of the war by using in-game mechanics. No exploiting, just playing the game by the rules CCP made.
How's that for "gallente suxorz they lose all teh plex".
And how BM said, its not like they are using bots, they have to control those alts. If there were enough people to counter their plexing after DT I'm sure you would be ok, RIGHT?
Maybe minmatar are just lazy and don't like to plex because they don't have people dedicated enough to plexing, RIGHT?
Deja'vu.
This is the epitome of what is wrong with FW. We are waiting for CCP's response. Maybe someone should post a bug report on the Issues forum titled "FACTION WARFARE IS NOT WORKING HALP!11!".
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Pol Macsliebh
Minmatar Ridire Faolchu
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:46:00 -
[146]
Just fix it, Metagaming nosense
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:50:00 -
[147]
Hypocrisy is strong in any discussion about bugs.
I have seen Amarrians use the standing bug before (but as Amarrians, not as Caldari, else I would have created such a thread before). I have seen Amarrians use the timer bug.
I have seen Minmatar use the timer bug. I'm pretty sure there are Minmatar who have used the standing bug.
And even our friend from PERVS is right: Just because you have a dozen alts running around your space in T1 fitted frigates for close to 9 hours a day does not mean all is lost. What makes it a lost cause is that plexing is such a damn boring thing against alts because it does not bring any useful fights. So those who do not have the "alt army" lose patience much, much faster.
Not to mention that using (perceived) bugs in the system demotivates people even more than they already are.
"Clever use of game mechanics", I think it's called.
Does not make the standings issue any less of a ridiculous game mechanic. So please fix.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:53:00 -
[148]
I repeat:
Make capturing a plex require destruction of all the navy in the plex.
In one swoop - no speed tanking, no standings loophole, no timer bug. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:58:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Gangleri This bug and all bugs in FW should be properly fixed, so me and the whole 1st Praetorian Guard supports this call for change.
Meanwhile abusing this loop/bug/exploit in extreme to get the attention of CCP and so spoiling the game fun of many, does not get our support. We have always been against any use of loops/bugs/exploits and will not actively support a campaign based on it.
For this reason the 1st Praetorian Guard has pulled back from any offensive plexing a few days ago and now made it a corporate wide decision. We will not shoot any bunker, we will not capture any Minmatar complex and will not put any roleplay based on this campaign on IGS until the situation has normalized. Yes, the situation before the 1st of December was not perfect but it had many moments of fun as a game. Those moment of fun are now gone and I don't know who I have to thank most, CCP or Damar or ......
And CCP, get your act together. If you launch a game feature then you don't have an obligation to developed it further on but you do have an obligation to fix bugs and exploits.
Well, I have to admit I never really liked you guys but I have to give you hats off and props to this. It's too bad other corps whom are in the lime light with-in the Amarr Militia don't also stand up refuse to be part of this non sense.
Corps that have openly supported these actions by joining in or RPing about the shallow victory's will always be remembered as just that. Shallow and weak.
At least you guys have a bit of honor it appears, so hats off.
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Inora Aknaria
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:05:00 -
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Fix it b4 amarr/matari FW is ruined
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