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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.05 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 05/12/2009 06:50:45
For the "If you thought Infinity Ward was bad" crowd.
Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
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BeaconBeacon
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Posted - 2009.12.05 07:46:00 -
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haha, i dont mind, I hate people who cheat at games. So suck it!
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.12.05 11:52:00 -
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aaah, just whiners crying about a 24 hour (or week-long) ban. When I read the link and the rampup of the article, I thought MS was bricking machines because the players exploited a game mechanic. now *that* would have been newsworthy.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.05 12:08:00 -
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The whole concept of a completely controlled online environment like xbox live seems disgusting to me.
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz The whole concept of a completely controlled online environment like xbox live seems disgusting to me.
To Playstation Home!
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karma militia
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Posted - 2009.12.05 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz The whole concept of a completely controlled online environment like xbox live seems disgusting to me.
*BEEP*
Faith in humanity: Restored.
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Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.12.05 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 05/12/2009 16:04:55 I'm not sure what's wrong with all that bannings.
You alter the Box in a way that is deemed to be a breach of the agreement between you and MS. Same thing happens when you cheat online.
Surprise: you fail to abide by the contract and the relevant sections of the contract become effective.
You could always decide NOT to agree to that contract and opt out from playing with an X-BOX if you feel it is incorrect to sanction those who perform unallowed modification of their Box or cheat online.
I completely agree with MS. MS is a privately owned company and has the right to stipulate the circumstances under they are obliged to render services to you. It's all that simple.
"OMG, my cat got fried in the microwave owen, I shall sue the company that sold it because it wasn't unequivocally stated in the user manual that I shouldn't dry my cat in a microwave owen." What a sad way of thinking, seriously.
Nobody told me that I could cut my hand if I used a knife. Seriously.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.12.05 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 05/12/2009 16:09:49 but why use exploits on an xbox when you can use pure right down pr0 hacks on a PC and not get caught? see these xbox noobs dont know how to work a mouse and keyboard, hilerious :D
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Grez
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.12.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo3771 Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 05/12/2009 16:09:49 but why use exploits on an xbox when you can use pure right down pr0 hacks on a PC and not get caught? see these xbox noobs dont know how to work a mouse and keyboard, hilerious :D
You're not free on the PC either. VAC'll ban you for any memory, executable or DLL intrusions - which pretty much rules out any hack. It's already automatically banned 2500 people from the game (and that's only people who've hit their timer - VAC adds a random timer when you're discovered cheating - so there could be thousands more).
Although the idea of 'big brother is watching' kind of XBOX live play, I have to admit, the idea of a company taking the problem by the reins and telling people to stop using an exploit is a good one. It's an exploit guys, and whilst the programmers should be working quickly to fix it, it's nice to know there's someone else there stopping people doing it in the mean time. ---
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.12.05 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 05/12/2009 16:04:55 I'm not sure what's wrong with all that bannings.
You alter the Box in a way that is deemed to be a breach of the agreement between you and MS. Same thing happens when you cheat online.
Surprise: you fail to abide by the contract and the relevant sections of the contract become effective.
You could always decide NOT to agree to that contract and opt out from playing with an X-BOX if you feel it is incorrect to sanction those who perform unallowed modification of their Box or cheat online.
I completely agree with MS. MS is a privately owned company and has the right to stipulate the circumstances under they are obliged to render services to you. It's all that simple.
"OMG, my cat got fried in the microwave owen, I shall sue the company that sold it because it wasn't unequivocally stated in the user manual that I shouldn't dry my cat in a microwave owen." What a sad way of thinking, seriously.
Nobody told me that I could cut my hand if I used a knife. Seriously.
Your right and all except banning for a EULA violation when there is no EULA violation is wrong, and that is what MS is doing. In addition they only seem to be targeting COD with the glitch banning, why not all the other games where people glitch. By doing this they have set a precedent. The real question is now how long will it be before others follow suit for a programmers mistake and punish people for playing a game the way a programmer made it.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.05 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grez You're not free on the PC either. VAC'll ban you for any memory, executable or DLL intrusions - which pretty much rules out any hack. It's already automatically banned 2500 people from the game (and that's only people who've hit their timer - VAC adds a random timer when you're discovered cheating - so there could be thousands more).
wait so IW *finally* started banning all those hackers/cheaters? ---
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.05 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Your right and all except banning for a EULA violation when there is no EULA violation is wrong, and that is what MS is doing. In addition they only seem to be targeting COD with the glitch banning, why not all the other games where people glitch. By doing this they have set a precedent. The real question is now how long will it be before others follow suit for a programmers mistake and punish people for playing a game the way a programmer made it.
But are they not Microsofts' servers?
And does Microsoft not have complete autonomy when it has to deal with the code of conduct they require of their user base?
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Foodpimp
Gallente Fustercluck Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 18:36:00 -
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In regards to those people saying that absent a stated EULA, it's wrong for MS to ban people from the network....
At least in the US (can't speak intelligently about other countries) most brick and mortar business can reserve service to anyone without stating a reason. In my eyes, MS is simply exercising the online equivalent to that real world business practice.
I know we live in a world that wants stated directions for everything from everyone....and I am also aware of litigation as the favorite fall back position for those individuals that feel they have been wronged. It's this type of systemic mindset that requires companies to put warning lables on everything.....saw a hair curler one time that had a warning on it (Not for internal Use). The sad thing is they had to put that on there because someone at sometime in the past had tried something f'ed up with it and it didn't work out for em.
I say Deal with it.
Foodpimp
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:52:00 -
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either there are a lot of trolls in here, or the majority of you are just plain stupid.
You don't have the right to exploit/cheat. If you are caught cheating, you should be banned from xbox live/ have your entire steam account banned. (as in you can't even login, and lose all your games)/ be banned from whatever you cheated in.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.05 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/12/2009 23:32:02
Originally by: Zeba Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
And this would be a bad thing becaaaaaaaaaause ?
P.S. Also, it doesn't say you'll be COMPLETELY banned. Just temp-banned, for 24 hours... but yeah, from ALL games. And the more you are caught exploiting/cheating/whatever (showing you just don't get it), you might start facing more severe consequences.
P.P.S. Or do you have something against punishing people using an exploit ? I mean, you wouldn't have minded CCP punishing people who used the POS-exploit, or did you ? And what if DUST was live, would you have had anything to argue against at least temp-banning them from there too ?
P.P.P.S. Or, better still - if you are caught stealing a car from a parking lot, do you think the punishment should be a court order preventing you from entering any parking lots for a while, or instead just shoving your ass into jail ?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.12.06 00:48:00 -
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So people who go out of their way to use an exploit should be left alone entirely?
I think a temporary ban is fair if the exploit is used repeatedly. But I also think that the thing should be patched away(Xbox live supports patching of games, right?).
A cheater is a cheater. Cheaters should be banned, it's that simple.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 06/12/2009 02:33:41
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Gibbo3771 Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 05/12/2009 16:09:49 but why use exploits on an xbox when you can use pure right down pr0 hacks on a PC and not get caught? see these xbox noobs dont know how to work a mouse and keyboard, hilerious :D
You're not free on the PC either. VAC'll ban you for any memory, executable or DLL intrusions - which pretty much rules out any hack. It's already automatically banned 2500 people from the game (and that's only people who've hit their timer - VAC adds a random timer when you're discovered cheating - so there could be thousands more).
Although the idea of 'big brother is watching' kind of XBOX live play, I have to admit, the idea of a company taking the problem by the reins and telling people to stop using an exploit is a good one. It's an exploit guys, and whilst the programmers should be working quickly to fix it, it's nice to know there's someone else there stopping people doing it in the mean time.
There's a catch. You may not have had a contract with MS when you have bought your Box. But when you start to use their privately owned server you agree to play by their rules. Even though it does not manifest itself in writing you actually sign a contract. I am not sure how they call it in law but basically you agree to a contract by simply behaving in a certain way. It's like when you sit on a bus. When you sit on the bus there's a contract in effect between you and the transportation company. The driver doesn't hand you a contract but it's effectively agreed by you and the transportation company.
Anyways, the owner of a privately owned property can decide any time to change the rules that need to be followed. For example, you could always say that from now on nobody may enter your land with a car. You forbid it. You can do that. Or you can stipulate that nobody may wear shoes on your land. Because that suits you. Nobody may question it.
Is it morally wrong to set out that you may only be on my land wearing a black robe that has an alien head on it? Dunno, perhaps. But you can do that.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Your right and all except banning for a EULA violation when there is no EULA violation is wrong, and that is what MS is doing.
Eh?
Originally by: XBox Live TOU
5. How You May Not Use the Service.
In using the Service, you may not:
... * exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game , contest, or promotion.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Honour Before Death
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Grez You're not free on the PC either. VAC'll ban you for any memory, executable or DLL intrusions - which pretty much rules out any hack. It's already automatically banned 2500 people from the game (and that's only people who've hit their timer - VAC adds a random timer when you're discovered cheating - so there could be thousands more).
wait so IW *finally* started banning all those hackers/cheaters?
Finally considering starting to do so.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.06 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 05/12/2009 23:32:02
Originally by: Zeba Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
And this would be a bad thing becaaaaaaaaaause ?
P.S. Also, it doesn't say you'll be COMPLETELY banned. Just temp-banned, for 24 hours... but yeah, from ALL games. And the more you are caught exploiting/cheating/whatever (showing you just don't get it), you might start facing more severe consequences.
P.P.S. Or do you have something against punishing people using an exploit ? I mean, you wouldn't have minded CCP punishing people who used the POS-exploit, or did you ? And what if DUST was live, would you have had anything to argue against at least temp-banning them from there too ?
P.P.P.S. Or, better still - if you are caught stealing a car from a parking lot, do you think the punishment should be a court order preventing you from entering any parking lots for a while, or instead just shoving your ass into jail ?
Yes because since I jaywalked across a street I get put in jail for a day.
I'm all for exploiters getting their due but shutting you out of the online service for all games and related features is kinda harsh and tbh is only going to provoke all the emo kiddies to do it even moar. Ban one and six of his emo friends go do the same thing achieving nothing for the "Play fair guys" message m$ is touting. Though tbh in the long run it probably is a good thing to thin the xbox live emo herd out a bit before dust is released.
Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.12.06 08:47:00 -
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when penny arcade says hey guys check out this awesomeness and posts a link to a jav glitch video on youtube banning just seems in poor form.
especially with their ranting about double shotgun guy. double shot guns that barely need aiming and are a 1 hit ko seems just as exploity to me.
although I did like the superbounce from halo2 comment. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Grez
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 07/12/2009 02:21:25
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Grez You're not free on the PC either. VAC'll ban you for any memory, executable or DLL intrusions - which pretty much rules out any hack. It's already automatically banned 2500 people from the game (and that's only people who've hit their timer - VAC adds a random timer when you're discovered cheating - so there could be thousands more).
wait so IW *finally* started banning all those hackers/cheaters?
VAC's always been active. It's completely automated, and all Valve games use it, there are no false positives either. Whenever a DLL, EXE, or memory injection/alteration is detected, VAC adds a random timer to the account, and when that timer expires, the user is banned. It does this so that the user doesn't know which cheat(s) triggered the ban, so people making the cheats have a harder time detecting if their method has been caught or not.
So you may find some cheats marked "VAC PROOF!", when in reality, that cheat is marked to ban all accounts that have used that cheat in a months time. So people who tend to cheat, go to download it, and then get banned.
It annoys the cheaters, annoys the people making the cheats, and in some cases where people have to re-buy the game to play online, gets them more revenue.
The first and second VAC ban's hit last weekend and this weekend (1900, and 4500 bans roughly apparently).
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Noah Locke
Sa'ida Nahjar
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:07:00 -
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Haven't been on Modern Warfare 2 for a while but will have to check it out after some sleep, if that glitch is still in the game then i'm going to have to see howmany people I can get to rage. Glad I use my PS3 for my gaming, the XBOX does make a good door-stop though.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 05/12/2009 06:50:45
Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
Not really. " Initially, you may be banned for a day, a week, or depending on severity, permanently! Kiss that $50 goodbye."
Originally by: Sokratesz The whole concept of a completely controlled online environment like xbox live seems disgusting to me.
So... why doesn't CCP allow us to write our own Eve clients?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 05/12/2009 06:50:45
Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
Not really. " Initially, you may be banned for a day, a week, or depending on severity, permanently! Kiss that $50 goodbye."
Thats what I said. Completely banned from something means you don't get to use any aspect of it. If I had meant permanently banned I would have said so.
Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 07/12/2009 21:28:24
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 05/12/2009 06:50:45
Just to reiterate, the article says you will be completely banned from xbox live if they catch you using an exploit in any online game.
Not really. " Initially, you may be banned for a day, a week, or depending on severity, permanently! Kiss that $50 goodbye."
Thats what I said. Completely banned from something means you don't get to use any aspect of it. If I had meant permanently banned I would have said so.
I may have been podded yesterday, but "completely" can be seen as synonymous with "permanently." ^2
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.08 15:10:00 -
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Sadly valve didnt issue permabans from all games for those caught cheating, but only banned from MW2.
Pretty sad the amount of people here who thinks banning cheaters (yes people abusing bugs are also cheaters) from xbox live is too harsh, many cheaters here?
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