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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:02:00 -
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Well, CCP could decide to reduce the amount of minerals needed by all ships by 25% or more. That'd not only give us a cost break now, but keep the barrier entry to a new class (as well as pvp) lower.
For example, if the mat reqs of ships and their items were reduced by 50%, you'd be able to make two ships for the price of one. A 5 million ISK cruiser or 20 million ISK BC would be a lot easier for a PvPer to lose and replace as well. At 40 million per, you might be able to tease some people into PvPing with tier 1 BS instead of a BC. All I hear is goons this and goons that, it's like you people are the villiagers from goons village. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
106
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:06:00 -
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minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
163
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:10:00 -
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So lemme get this straight the OP is trying to blame goons for CCPs decision to remove drone poop from the game? The OP obviously failed to realize that their cheap ships were because of the efforts of a couple thousand russian bots collecting drone poop 23/7
Now minerals have to be properly mined, which is a great thing for miners and industrialists. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1246
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:03:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:Well, CCP could decide to reduce the amount of minerals needed by all ships by 25% or more. That'd not only give us a cost break now, but keep the barrier entry to a new class (as well as pvp) lower.
For example, if the mat reqs of ships and their items were reduced by 50%, you'd be able to make two ships for the price of one. A 5 million ISK cruiser or 20 million ISK BC would be a lot easier for a PvPer to lose and replace as well. At 40 million per, you might be able to tease some people into PvPing with tier 1 BS instead of a BC. But... why are you assuming that cheaper ships is a good thing?
Cheap high end ships raises the barrier to PvP for new players, as it pushes the primary limiting factor toward skill points as opposed to ISK. Not only that but it devalues (quite literally) ships and renders losses largely meaningless.
I mean, who cares about a battleship when I can grind another one out in an hour? Supers? Pfft, gimme two weeks and I'll buy you a few. The easier it becomes to replace ships, the less it means when you lose them, and the less diversity you'll see in fleets as players start flying only the higher end ships.
Contrary to popular belief the Eve economy is not the same as a real-world economy, in that the "cost of living" being lowered is not necessarily a good thing.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1246
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:04:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough Eh?
High ends are double what they were, and they'll probably raise even more once the enormous stockpiles certain people built up run out. (Not to mention when ring mining makes an appearance)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:17:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Luis Graca wrote:Sandbox if you don't like it get the resources, built then and sell then
See the solution is very simple and you don't need CCP to solve it yeah i guess i can get 9000 people just like that to compete with goons.. stop talking total BS!
Sure, blame the goons.
You know what the real BS is. Goons don't set the prices on ships, industrialists do.
You should be angry at the industrialists. These guys made tons of isk off your hard work. They dictate how much they are willing to pay for minerals and what price they are willing to sell hulls. They squeeze every drop of isk they can out of you for ships they themselves probably can't even fly. Can't even sit in station and spin them. They have been exploiting the hard working players of Eve for years, and it is time for this of epic theft of the public good to come to an end.
We, the goons, have created an Eve players utopia. A place where tackle frigates are the birth right of every newbee and all are entitled to cradle to grave battleship reimbursement.
Let us help you OP. Let us help all of Eve realize the dream of an of New Eden that is free from the tyrannical clutches of an industrial class that mocks the plight of the miner and wrings the isk out of PvP'ers. Help us establish a Pure Juche Space Communism where we all benefits from the vast wealth the universe has to offer.
Industrialist swine, your days are numbered. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:30:00 -
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I remember when things were too cheap and people whined and moaned. Goes to show that you can't please anyone. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:50:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Sure, blame the goons.
You know what the real BS is. Goons don't set the prices on ships, industrialists do.
You should be angry at the industrialists. These guys made tons of isk off your hard work. They dictate how much they are willing to pay for minerals and what price they are willing to sell hulls. They squeeze every drop of isk they can out of you for ships they themselves probably can't even fly. Can't even sit in station and spin them. They have been exploiting the hard working players of Eve for years, and it is time for this of epic theft of the public good to come to an end.
We, the goons, have created an Eve players utopia. A place where tackle frigates are the birth right of every newbee and all are entitled to cradle to grave battleship reimbursement.
Let us help you OP. Let us help all of Eve realize the dream of an of New Eden that is free from the tyrannical clutches of an industrial class that mocks the plight of the miner and wrings the isk out of PvP'ers. Help us establish a Pure Juche Space Communism where we all benefits from the vast wealth the universe has to offer.
Industrialist swine, your days are numbered. Nothing like having a newbee on your rear with a point and web.
Remember, they should point before they web. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3999
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:48:00 -
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If you dont like the price of ships you go out and you go mine the minerals and you make the ship your damn self. Honestly I have beent rying to supply best and cheapest I can but minerals are not easy to come by. Just keep blowing them up ill keep adding more onto the surcharge.
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Implying Implications
cuties4life
118
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:51:00 -
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1: Mine the minerals for your ships and modules 2: PVP for FREE
Problem solved now gtfo. Minmatar V3 gallery: http://minus.com/mOqXRikn5 |
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Arcturus Trask
Vindicator Corporation Strategic Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:11:00 -
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Ok, I am old and kinda blind so I really just hang with the Carebears and mine a lot. I love to build ships and train up my main and my alts. Tell you what, I am having more fun right now Mining in High Sec then I ever have before. Since 2006 when I started until now, there has never been something like this. An EPIC Sandbox Arch that effects everyone, everywhere.
For me, I have excitement while I mine, and the rewards for actually playing the game right now is better than ever before. I mine and build ships and most of my Alts have KillMails for winning fights. And I have not lost a ship. And if I loose one tomorrow, the ISK I made last week can replace my entire fleet. Big deal.
I hope CCP keeps their fingers out of everything and let the players handle internal game politics and ideals. That is being there.
I am glad so many people are actively involved in making EvE exciting for everyone again. Being There is Playing the Game.
( OK Flame Me! )
-Arc (main account) XO, Vindicator Corp
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Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
5
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:13:00 -
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The only thing the inflation really affects are bounty prizes since they never change. In effect the higher the rewards for mining and manufacture the less is the cost of a PLEX in real terms. |
Lord Zim
806
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:18:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough Eh? High ends are double what they were, and they'll probably raise even more once the enormous stockpiles certain people built up run out. (Not to mention when ring mining makes an appearance) You need to look further back than that, i.e. closer to where EVE started. |
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:20:00 -
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People are still PVPing in Tengus and the like. --> Ships are still not expensive enough. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
653
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:37:00 -
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EVE, free market economy in principle, applied and chosen by player interaction. Recognised as one of the strong selling features of the game, long may it stay that way.
Other than the need for an obvious game mechanic associated with the risk/reward issues of differing regions you could argue that the resources may not be so "free", as obviously resources have some unique presences in the topography of EVE as a result of that. I see this as something obviously needed however associated with regional differences associated with their gameplay and the need to apply greater rewards to higher risk areas as is currently the case. The only complaint I have really are the associated monoplies of things as opposed to a sensible gradiated scaling of access to materials and items in the gameplay environment that currently have distinct barriers of access presently.
Player run initiatives IG are valid aspects therefore in this "persistant" MMO, as to how how you can effect the game for others. The retaliation to these issues is haveing or organising counters and abilities to effect a balance or address those concerns to change the situation the other way. But in a "sandbox" game with freedom to apply changes to the persistant nature of it, complaining about those dynamics and wanting to apply invalid stabalisers to those effects isn't in the "healthy" interests of the game, imho
Yes the economy might need tweaking by CCP from time to time as it isnt a fully stable platform with self regulatory interests or even mechanics that can support those ideals fully. But in conclusion I'm more leaning to the understanding that it is"working as intended". Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:41:00 -
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lmao poors guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:41:00 -
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I tip my top hat at you~ guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
Jandice Ymladris
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
50
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:43:00 -
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I bow for Grumpy's wisdom. The EvE market fluctuates, and always has been fluctuating between cheap/expensive. So far I always adapted & still have a blast with the game. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mars Theran wrote:I always find it interesting when ISK rich veteran EVE players get on new or ISK poor players cases about how they should have the ISK to pay for things that are quite obviously inflated. The new players of today aren't particularly ISK-poor, though, since there are far more, far better, and far easier ways to make money these days. In particular, the price increases we've seen have largely been due to a slump in the kinds of activity that new players often engage inGǪ Quote:Also find it funny when people suggest you can just build an Alliance of 1-9000 just like that. If it could be done, it would be done. What's particularly funny is that it can be done and it has been done.
Please remind me when the last time that happened was? Test? Auction - EVE Rogues Alliance [ROGUE]: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438-á-á~ Latest bid: 190 million ISK. |
MisterNick
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:09:00 -
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This thread has gone on for far longer than I thought it would from the OP. Not a bad bit of trolling, nobody can resist the obvious moron. "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
271
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:21:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Dear CCP
The price for items particularly ships have got beyond a joke, a lot of ships and mods have literally doubled in price at all levels!!
Seriously wtf! Chocolate Rain Dirty secrets of economy Chocolate Rain Turns that body into GDP
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Jonah Gravenstein
471
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:37:00 -
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A trader/industrialist says hi
Your iskies, my profit War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
198
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:06:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Dear CCP
The price for items particularly ships have got beyond a joke, a lot of ships and mods have literally doubled in price at all levels!!
Seriously wtf!
I lol'd
P.S your doing it wrong. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
787
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:11:00 -
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CCP do not fix prices in game. The prices are down to players. Also take into account that it now takes half the time to make 100 mill as it did 4 years ago.
Go play an easy game if you dont like it. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:12:00 -
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You need to understand I dont have an issue per say about prices rising. But they have LITERALLY doubled!
Lets not talk too much about the cheap ships like frigs and stuff I mean 2 mil to 4 mill aint that much of the biggie but lets talk about T2, BS, and yes caps!
T2 ships have doubled so thats like an extra what 70-100 mill, BS have doubled again about 70-100mill EXTRA
Caps, jesus... not long ago was 650-750 mill for a carrier its now near 1.3-1.5b thats a price hike of 650-800 mill !! thats just silly numbers! I mean an hike of 100-200 mill fine but 650+ mill thats wrong!
lets look at titans i mean base hulls not long ago where what 60B now they are like 90-100B!!! thats 30-40 BILLION more! No way..
Im sorry but these price hikes are HUGE not small! There is something seriously wrong here!! If someone can justify these massive increases then please tell me and ill shut up! and also these havent just slowly risen its been pretty immediate!
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:22:00 -
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http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/62806/1/Indices_2012-05.png
I wonder how EVE survived until 2007... |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:23:00 -
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They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
No need to keep buying into the industrialist lies and misdirection about "those terrible goonies". This is why, when the goons went to strike highsec, they struck Jita. You want to know who is really "ruining your game"? Its the traders who are too busy counting their isk and stacking hulls to ever undock from Jita 4-4.
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Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger Damu'Khonde
3
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:26:00 -
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As others have said just fly something else for now. I used to fly stilettos, now i fly claws. Follow the cheapness! |
Jonah Gravenstein
471
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:33:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. No need to keep buying into the industrialist lies and misdirection about "those terrible goonies". This is why, when the goons went to strike highsec, they struck Jita. You want to know who is really "ruining your game"? Its the traders who are too busy counting their isk and stacking hulls to ever undock from Jita 4-4.
Jita? hardly ever go there myself . Please don't generalise about traders and industrialists, this character pays for PLEX and my main characters ship losses (can't post on my main, not allowed to), runs some missions, does some production and screws people on modules. Internet spaceships is serious business and I treat it as such.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
163
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:36:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Dear CCP
The price for items particularly ships have got beyond a joke, a lot of ships and mods have literally doubled in price at all levels!!
Seriously wtf!
Its simple enough.
Raw material prices (minerals/Tech) go up so manufacturers have to pay more and therefore have to sell for higher prices to keep making a profit.
We aren't a charity. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
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