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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:27:00 -
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well i might just to get the evidence if i have the time to find it, but as of this moment i do not have the time im afraid..
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix Im certain that thouse ships where not the only ships to be lost by the IEEE that day.
I'm almost positive you're right. However, one would assume, based on your earlier statement, that you're counting kills by your corporation (note the emphasis). Even the Brutix loss was to you and another person, who is a member of Hydra rather than Imperial Commonwealth. Based upon past losses, it's rather obvious that he's a more skill character; he has T2 fittings for everything including weapons while you typically used named T1 launchers (not even the good ones, though as a practical matter Arbalests are outrageously expensive). Nor is it surprising that he outdamaged you on the killmail.
I can find no evidence that Imperial Commonwealth has killed any other S&P ships on that day, though I can find evidence of them losing other ships. They didn't even lose those ships to Hydra members, so you can't really claim those.
Find the time to find the proof, if you want any credibility at all. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
scruntcy dootlebottem
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix No this is not a vendetta... i would need to care in order for it to be a vendetta..
I apologize for interrupting, but i feel the need to put in my two ISK worth here. You would not be speaking if you did not care about the issue at hand. Most other people do not make statements or start discussions about things that they have no care for.
While i have not kept a rapt attention as to the events transpiring to create this dilemma i would ask one thing of you. Please respect both yourself and the other people of the universe by sticking to the truth. Many people have accidentally destroyed themselves in their own tangled webs.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:52:00 -
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captain aem took at the brutix.. he is in the IC.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: scruntcy dootlebottem
Originally by: Joe Phoenix No this is not a vendetta... i would need to care in order for it to be a vendetta..
I apologize for interrupting, but i feel the need to put in my two ISK worth here. You would not be speaking if you did not care about the issue at hand. Most other people do not make statements or start discussions about things that they have no care for.
While i have not kept a rapt attention as to the events transpiring to create this dilemma i would ask one thing of you. Please respect both yourself and the other people of the universe by sticking to the truth. Many people have accidentally destroyed themselves in their own tangled webs.
good luck to you
This was ment to just be an announcement, but i thought it would be rude not to respond to people, wouldn't you agree?
And you have nothing to prove that the IC has ever lied to anyone and its very insulting for you to make that accusation.
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scruntcy dootlebottem
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix
Originally by: scruntcy dootlebottem
Originally by: Joe Phoenix No this is not a vendetta... i would need to care in order for it to be a vendetta..
I apologize for interrupting, but i feel the need to put in my two ISK worth here. You would not be speaking if you did not care about the issue at hand. Most other people do not make statements or start discussions about things that they have no care for.
While i have not kept a rapt attention as to the events transpiring to create this dilemma i would ask one thing of you. Please respect both yourself and the other people of the universe by sticking to the truth. Many people have accidentally destroyed themselves in their own tangled webs.
good luck to you
This was ment to just be an announcement, but i thought it would be rude not to respond to people, wouldn't you agree?
And you have nothing to prove that the IC has ever lied to anyone and its very insulting for you to make that accusation.
While i can understand that at times announcements are necessary I do feel that this particular comment was not needed and in many ways incorrect. I have said nothing insulting; i merely have pointed out a fact. Regardless of how you see this, as a vendetta or not, the fact still remains that you do care about the situation. You want it to either change or be precieved differently and to say that you don't care invites others to do the same.
You DO care about how this turns out. You DO care what others think. So please don't sabotage yourself and your kin by even hinting that you don't.
As for how this situation impacts me? i will answer it very simply. A person or organization that can not keep its word is not worth making ANY business dealings with. If they are in fact a dishonest organization than i will do as i currently do. Endeavor to make sure they never get another single single coin from me...
I do carry a black book of people, corporations, and alliances that are to never receive any funds from me... ever. And if this group where to be proven to be untrustworthy they too would be added to this list.
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:19:00 -
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I would say that Joe is trying too hard to conceal that his corp is as trustworthy as he makes it to be.
If a really trustworthy corp would get insults and threads on the forum that says things they arent, they ignore it and let it pass and the one going against them will lose interest, if you however make a fuzz out of it, its most likely a truth you want to conceal for the rest of the community. ____________________
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scruntcy dootlebottem
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dracoknight I would say that Joe is trying too hard to conceal that his corp is as trustworthy as he makes it to be.
If a really trustworthy corp would get insults and threads on the forum that says things they arent, they ignore it and let it pass and the one going against them will lose interest, if you however make a fuzz out of it, its most likely a truth you want to conceal for the rest of the community.
You would be quite correct. Normally when one has a problem with another it is discussed in private so as to limit exposure and prevent both from looking poor to all those around them. Between that and his somewhat volatile response to me certainly makes me wonder.
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.07 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Face Palmer on 07/12/2009 23:06:48 Edited by: Face Palmer on 07/12/2009 22:56:47
Originally by: Joe Phoenix No this is not a vendetta... i would need to care in order for it to be a vendetta..
So you care so little about this matter you take the trouble to publically whine about it?
Zedrick must be really be getting under your skin mate.
**edit for spelling fail
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Damien McCandless
Caldari Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.12.08 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix Thats funny last time a checks that operation you lost 3 assault ships 1 cruiser and a battlecruiser along with 2 industry ships.. with us losing **** all.. seems to me that your the one with control damian.
Someone mention my name? My ears are burning.....
Oh yes. Mr (Ex-Rear Admiral) Phoenix. Well here I am. I suppose its only fair to remind you (and tell the audience) that the ONLY ship I "lost" to "you" was actually killed by Viceroy Jane of HYDRA, and that was all for show, as you rightly know. You asked me to spy for your corp, tried to bribe me with drugs, offered me a place in the IC anytime I wanted it, tried to get me to help you trap Zedrik and promised to replace any shipping I lost in the whole sorry incident. Now, you did give me 500k for a replacement Badger (which was fair), but Im still waiting on the replacement ship that once again you promised and failed to deliver. You owe me 50 million Isk, Mr Phoenix. Not to mention "more drugs than I can possibly imagine".
Alternatively, give me "The Phoenix" and I'll happily call it even :).
Oh yes and call me a liar all you like, you and I both know the truth of the matter.
And I would appreciate you not swearing. You curse like a sailor and it makes baby Jesus cry.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2009.12.08 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix The IC does not recognise the IEEE in any way and will not and shall not ever give into the pathetic attempts of zedrik cayne to destroy what we are trying to create. Any further attempts to do so will simple be ignored.
Joe phoenix grand commander of the Imperial commonwealth
So how's that ignoring going?
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William Caldon
Caldari Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.08 05:27:00 -
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Joe: Serious question (because this is serious business amiright?)
Do you think your corporation has a future?
If you answered yes:
How so if your corp is under siege by so many corps? Are you ever going to apologize?
Because in all frankness, your corp is never going to go anywhere, it has no future of any significance. Not while under siege for infinite. Btw, ignoring your problems is a very bad idea. They don't go away.
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.08 07:26:00 -
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Well, the funny thing is: if Joe did keep his word and wardecced a corp he said he wardec like 3-4 months ago ( or longer ) this would never have happend.
Due to his ignorance he have lead his corp into a mountainside, since IEEEs first investigation he have lost about 100 members where none of them were informed of the ICs status, or informed what not to do during wartime. And recruiting during wartime is also a grave failure to the corps safety and the safety of the recruits.
So, it all started that he needed to wardec a single 1-man corp and this would never happen... ...what keeps making this entertaining is that Joe have denied this multiply times while Zedrik just ultilize the moment for his own and others entertainment value.
I even tried to reason with Joe once, only leading me to 2 things:
- Either he is a Child around the age of 12 -OR- - He is clearly unable to see his position in this matter and believe he still have control... yes its a nicer way to say R-tard
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.08 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 08/12/2009 08:24:13
Originally by: Gavin DeVries The last time I saw anything about it, Battleclinic's excuse for a killboard was tracking everything killed and lost by Standards and Practices. Doing a search for Imperial Commonwealth there produces this result. I see 19 total kills there, not a single one against an assault ship. If you're referring to the affair of 10/18, you got Zedrik's Brutix and a pair of Merlins, which the last time I checked was a tech 1 frigate rather than an assault ship. Nor do I see any industrials anywhere on there.
What you'd need to do, if the kills you're referring to are not posted, is copy them from your corporate tab (they're under Wars, subtab for recorded kills) and paste them to Battleclinic (or another killboard if you have one).
I feel I should set the record straight, as The Imperial Commonwealth's published combat records represent only part of their actual losses. While Peregrine Industries normally refuses to publish official combat records as a statement of protest against certain authorities in New Eden (in response to unjust accusations of criminal activity and exile of Peregrine Industries pilots from CONCORD-patrolled space), I will make an exception to this policy.
On the 6th of September, my sister Sera Ryskin, acting on intelligence provided by contacts in the Caldari Navy, engaged a Drake belonging to Joe Phoenix in the Otsasai system. Her fast scout frigate was unable to seriously damage the battlecruiser (CareCorp battleships were available, but considered too slow to intercept the target), and she submitted a formal request for aid to Peregrine Industries. A Chimera-class carrier under my command jumped in to assist, and Joe's Drake was quickly destroyed, along with his escape pod.
Official records of the battle are provided here: Drake and escape pod.
It is the position of Peregrine Industries that the Imperial Commonwealth suffers from a serious lack of leadership. Not only is Joe Phoenix dishonest in his presentation of his corporation's combat record, but CareCorp's war with the Imperial Commonwealth revealed other serious flaws. I believe that the IEEE has done a good job of documenting these flaws, so I will limit myself to one further comment on this subject:
Joe's claims of victory over CareCorp are pure fiction. The Imperial Commonwealth suffered ship losses along with complete destruction of morale to the point that their brave "leader" was unwilling to even undock (despite repeated threats to attack CareCorp pilots). CareCorp only allowed the CONCORD-approved hostilities for two reasons:
1) The previously mentioned morale failures had rendered the Imperial Commonwealth incapable of combat, and only willing to undock when fitted with sufficient warp core stabilizers to ensure an immediate escape. Due to the near-zero chances of scoring further kills, the additional CONCORD fees would make any further sanctioned hostilities a net loss to CareCorp's budget.
2) Due in part to the actions of CareCorp, a dissatisfied Imperial Commonwealth director split off from the Imperial Commonwealth, taking all of the employees (except for Joe Phoenix himself, of course) with him. Immediately afterward, a spy stole the Imperial Commonwealth's entire corporate accounts. With these events a matter of public record thanks to the IEEE, CareCorp's objective of destroying the Imperial Commonwealth and all credibility of its CEO was judged to be complete. ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:17:00 -
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Ah!
I used to derive endless amusement from the continuing well-documented tales of the starcluster's saddest CEO, Mr. Phoenix.
Glad to see this show wasn't taken off of the air! -------
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Duke Dragoon
Red Eye Brigade
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Posted - 2009.12.08 17:33:00 -
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Mr Zedric, more of that godly flavoured popcorn please
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Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.12.08 20:11:00 -
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It saddens me that the Science and Trade Institute has lowered the passing scores on their standardized tests.
Remember, you can't spell 'ignorance' without 'ignore'.
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William Caldon
Caldari Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:49:00 -
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No response hmm? Figures.
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mr stare
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Posted - 2010.02.28 17:47:00 -
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I would like to announce that Joe does not have a corp to speak of. Been monitoring him and ALL his corp mates of 40 odd people (some have left the last weeks). Of around 40 people, only max 4-5 people have been online at all and always the same people. I belive most of these toon, are alts and secondary accounts of Joe (meaning, more alts).
In short, Joe the Grand Leader is only commanding himself and to make himself even more glorious, he have created an alliance, with only himself in. Somebody is spending alot of rl cash on plexes (or visiting ebay) so he can avoid getting wardecced 24/7, just to make a point that he will not resign his position as a corp leader. The irony, is that he's only the leader of himself.
In that case IEEE should stand down, since Joe litterally fulfills the criteria of NOT being a corporation leader. He is it in name only.
What IEEE should investigate if Joe is stealing from his moms purse to get the billions he waste in EVE for nothing...
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.02.28 18:06:00 -
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Removed OOC responses
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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mr stare
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Removed OOC responses
well, when your at it, start removing all the other posts as well... go fetch boy!
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DonDiablo DeLaFuerro
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
I must ask you, was it really necessary for this ancient discussion to be brought to our attention again? Can't sleeping slaver hounds be left to lie?
((OOC: Why is CCP necroing this stuff? The 90-day lock was about to be applied in little over a week!)) --- The great EVE drug scandal of 2009 -- Never Forget |
Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:25:00 -
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I admit interest in an update.
Did Joe ignore his way to victory? Inquiring minds are vaguely curious!
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Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn I admit interest in an update.
Did Joe ignore his way to victory? Inquiring minds are vaguely curious!
Ask and you shall receive!
The IEEE is still valiantly fighting the good fight.
Mr. Phoenix chose to spend some time in the beautiful region of Providence after the start of the new year. It is our understanding that he eventually decided to leave due to the turbulence developing in the region at that time.
During his time in Providence, mr. Phoenix is reported to have lost approximately 800 million ISK to a scam by an operative of ms. Lana Torrin. He himself denies this.
Mr. Phoenix has since founded an alliance. The Commonwealth Federation is currently still in its formative stages, but hopes are high that it will prove to make an interesting group of target--er.., people.
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Fabulinus
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:43:00 -
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I understand correctly, the purpose of this thread is to bring someone to everyone's attention and then insist we ignore that person?
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Miranda Miraculous
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fabulinus I understand correctly, the purpose of this thread is to bring someone to everyone's attention and then insist we ignore that person?
Just about the only thing constistent about Joe Phoenix is his inconsistency.
And fail. He's got a lot of that.
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Darina Rea
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2010.03.02 13:44:00 -
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Not really interested in reading through hours of whatever things. This seems to be a big thing.
Can anyone give me a quick run down? _________
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.03.03 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 03/03/2010 22:50:51
Originally by: Darina Rea Can anyone give me a quick run down?
IEEE opens an "investigation" into threatened retaliation not followed through on, said threats made by Joe Phoenix, IC's CEO. From this sort of banal beginning, IEEE uncovers an impressive one-man can of worms: an egomaniacal leader with a talent for recruiting new pilots as fast as he loses them, an unethical yet far-too-trusting nature, minimal ability to self-analyze, maximal ability to self-justify, and a gift for saying the darnedest things.
That, and a rotating cast of said CEO's unfortunate employees.
Months of hijinks ensue.
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